Gaara can defeat Nagato.

[khaydz5]

- It's because the summons are bigger that they would be easier to destroy. Gaara doesn't necessarily have to make huge amounts of sand to destroy them, or smother them. He can bind a certain part of their body and kill them, or incapacitate them. We've all seen how much pressure Gaara can exert with his sand. Here's a prime example of what I mean. If Jiraiyas hair can do this, just think about what Gaara can do.

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- King of Hell can protect Nagato, but not against Gaara. Even if he can't see him he can still sense him. Besides, do you really think Gaara is going to sit around watching Nagato just lay there? No way. And King of Hell doesn't have the range to extract Gaaras soul, and because Gaara isn't a long range fighter, well, you get the picture.

- Understandable, and I'm not going to deny it, but what I'm referring to is the actual manipulation of the sand. That's never been referred to as a jutsu. But like you said it hasn't been explained so it's hard to tell exactly. I'll admit if Preta Path 100% without a shadow of a doubt can absorb Gaaras sand he is screwed. There is no chance in hell he will ever win. I've never denied that. Now, if he can't then things get real interesting. How do you think it would go if Gaaras sand is not absorbed?

- I can't see that happening. The first thing Gaara does in every fight is let his sand out, and it never goes back in until the fight is over.

- Firstly, water will not make his sand fall apart, that makes no sense man. Next time you're at the beach grab some real dry sand, ball it up and throw it. It will fall apart before it even hits the ground. After that try the same thing with some wet sand, you'll get the complete opposite. Also, I highly doubt that crab will last long enough to turn the entire battlefield into a lake.

- Nagato can control gravity to keep himself grounded, but there is still an opposing force trying to pull him up. Gaara can ground himself with his sand, but there is still an opposing force trying to pull him up. In both of these cases there is still a gravitational pull, just two different methods of staying on the ground. There is no major difference. The only difference is that where Nagato is standing the ground will not be pulled up, and where Gaara is standing the ground will be pulled up. My theory is that if Gaara pierces trough that piece of land he's standing on, and digs far into the ground with his sand only the area around him will be pulled up.

1. no,simply no, I don't think you can understand the scenario well, all 8 summons roaming around they are all moving at the same time. bird can fly, caterpillar can dig, dog can split, rhino can ram gaara head on and so on.. I don't think gaara would simply catch them all at the same time. it would be very difficult for him to take on this summons all at the same time specially when nagato's around fighting with them. Im saying its not as easy as you think it would. gaara would definitely have a hard time just by fighting this summons.

2.actually all of your arguments are based on gaara using his sand. nagato can clearly counter gaara's sand by making it rain or using suiton jutsus. nagato can make enough water to make the battlefield really wet or atleast the amount of sands that gaara can use. if he was able to make rain with the range of the ENTIRE RAIN VILLAGE he sure can create huge volume of water enough to submerge gaara's sand.

3.and just to shed some light for you, controlling gravity is very much different than just anchoring yourself in the ground. you're theory will not work because the sand that wil anchor gaara in the ground will just rip apart like what will happen to its surrounding. if the ground itself is tearing apart sand will not make any difference. it will also break and there's nothing gaara can do once he's caught in the gravitational pull.

all this scenario will happen while nagato makes it rain, so gaara's sand in this whole fight will be wet and more wet if battle goes on,again making his sand hard to control or even fall apart.

 

[Zato]

How can he escape Chibaku Tensei? I see no way in hell he can beat that move at all. It would just suck his sand into the orb.

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Also the big big big factor here is that Preta Path will suck the chakara out of his sand. Madara sucked the chakara right out of Gaara's sand when he used Preta Path to suck up Naruto's RS.

 

[Nikohru]

see what can this path do...

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and don't forget to mention that just 3 missiles from this path took down the 6 tails flat. and gaara who is even without a bijuu ( that too 1 tail ) can't do shit.

2. yeah.. the problem is that... who can he deal with each and every summoning at the same time...??? with rhinos , bulls , dogs, birds , reptiles soming from all sides..

3. yeah he doesn't need to revive any bodies but you remember this path also extract souls ??? through their freakin mouth.....

4. petra path ... the moment petra path touches sand it is out of gaara's control and normal sand and if petra path catches gaara good bye gaara...

5.human path though has a range but can catch anyone without anyone noticing ... too fast for gaara...

6. deva path.. don't even try.. deva path will crush gaara in his own sand.

and your biggest misconception....

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sire that was a good joke that made my day.... good day to you sire...

Ur sig is priceless

 

[Yo pappy]

1. no,simply no, I don't think you can understand the scenario well, all 8 summons roaming around they are all moving at the same time. bird can fly, caterpillar can dig, dog can split, rhino can ram gaara head on and so on.. I don't think gaara would simply catch them all at the same time. it would be very difficult for him to take on this summons all at the same time specially when nagato's around fighting with them. Im saying its not as easy as you think it would. gaara would definitely have a hard time just by fighting this summons.

2.actually all of your arguments are based on gaara using his sand. nagato can clearly counter gaara's sand by making it rain or using suiton jutsus. nagato can make enough water to make the battlefield really wet or atleast the amount of sands that gaara can use. if he was able to make rain with the range of the ENTIRE RAIN VILLAGE he sure can create huge volume of water enough to submerge gaara's sand.

3.and just to shed some light for you, controlling gravity is very much different than just anchoring yourself in the ground. you're theory will not work because the sand that wil anchor gaara in the ground will just rip apart like what will happen to its surrounding. if the ground itself is tearing apart sand will not make any difference. it will also break and there's nothing gaara can do once he's caught in the gravitational pull.

all this scenario will happen while nagato makes it rain, so gaara's sand in this whole fight will be wet and more wet if battle goes on,again making his sand hard to control or even fall apart.

lol I think you and me are gonna have to agree to disagree sooner or later man. We're starting to beat the dead horse here.

- You're right, it wouldn't be easy if ALL the summons are brought out, but since when does Nagato use all of his summons at once? The only time he did that was against Konoha, and for good reason. It's very unpractical in a one on one situation because they'd be in the way. Even against Jiraiya (I know it's not Nagato, but the same concept applies) it was summon after summon, never all eight at once. The same with SM Naruto, and the same with Bee, KM Naruto, and Itachi.

- I'm gonna disagree with you on this one, I don't know what other examples I can give to prove to you that water doesn't destroy sand. You're just gonna have to go to the beach. lol The only thing that water is going to do is make the sand heavier, and that was my whole reasoning behind bringing the golden sand into the picture because gold is 20 times heavier than water.

- I know that controlling gravity is different, I was just having that debate with the Trollingsage. He brought up a good point by pointing out that the area where Nagato is standing isn't being pulled up. Where I think you're wrong is that you think that the ground Gaaras sand is going trough to anchor himself is going to be pulled up. That's not necessarily true. I've tried to mention this to you several times, but I don't think you're fully understanding me. Let me give you a mental picture, and hopefully it'll help. Imagine Gaara as a tree, now if the roots of this tree aren't deep enough the ground beneath it will be pulled up. That's a given. But if the roots are 200 meters down into the Earth, only the surrounding area will be pulled up because the base that the tree is on is being held together by the roots (in this case sand). I can't put it any simpler than that.

 

[Sunagura]

agreed....

 

[lswhyte123]

lol I think you and me are gonna have to agree to disagree sooner or later man. We're starting to beat the dead horse here.

- You're right, it wouldn't be easy if ALL the summons are brought out, but since when does Nagato use all of his summons at once? The only time he did that was against Konoha, and for good reason. It's very unpractical in a one on one situation because they'd be in the way. Even against Jiraiya (I know it's not Nagato, but the same concept applies) it was summon after summon, never all eight at once. The same with SM Naruto, and the same with Bee, KM Naruto, and Itachi.

- I'm gonna disagree with you on this one, I don't know what other examples I can give to prove to you that water doesn't destroy sand. You're just gonna have to go to the beach. lol The only thing that water is going to do is make the sand heavier, and that was my whole reasoning behind bringing the golden sand into the picture because gold is 20 times heavier than water.

- I know that controlling gravity is different, I was just having that debate with the Trollingsage. He brought up a good point by pointing out that the area where Nagato is standing isn't being pulled up. Where I think you're wrong is that you think that the ground Gaaras sand is going trough to anchor himself is going to be pulled up. That's not necessarily true. I've tried to mention this to you several times, but I don't think you're fully understanding me. Let me give you a mental picture, and hopefully it'll help. Imagine Gaara as a tree, now if the roots of this tree aren't deep enough the ground beneath it will be pulled up. That's a given. But if the roots are 200 meters down into the Earth, only the surrounding area will be pulled up because the base that the tree is on is being held together by the roots (in this case sand). I can't put it any simpler than that.

hehehe...you need not put it any simpler. Your point is made and it is surely validated.

:scorps: This is you right now...BAWSE!!!!

 

[khaydz5]

lol I think you and me are gonna have to agree to disagree sooner or later man. We're starting to beat the dead horse here.

- You're right, it wouldn't be easy if ALL the summons are brought out, but since when does Nagato use all of his summons at once? The only time he did that was against Konoha, and for good reason. It's very unpractical in a one on one situation because they'd be in the way. Even against Jiraiya (I know it's not Nagato, but the same concept applies) it was summon after summon, never all eight at once. The same with SM Naruto, and the same with Bee, KM Naruto, and Itachi.

- I'm gonna disagree with you on this one, I don't know what other examples I can give to prove to you that water doesn't destroy sand. You're just gonna have to go to the beach. lol The only thing that water is going to do is make the sand heavier, and that was my whole reasoning behind bringing the golden sand into the picture because gold is 20 times heavier than water.

- I know that controlling gravity is different, I was just having that debate with the Trollingsage. He brought up a good point by pointing out that the area where Nagato is standing isn't being pulled up. Where I think you're wrong is that you think that the ground Gaaras sand is going trough to anchor himself is going to be pulled up. That's not necessarily true. I've tried to mention this to you several times, but I don't think you're fully understanding me. Let me give you a mental picture, and hopefully it'll help. Imagine Gaara as a tree, now if the roots of this tree aren't deep enough the ground beneath it will be pulled up. That's a given. But if the roots are 200 meters down into the Earth, only the surrounding area will be pulled up because the base that the tree is on is being held together by the roots (in this case sand). I can't put it any simpler than that.

I know we will never agree to each other coz no one wants to accept defeat.

1. this is a vs thread we can assume he can do it if needed because he has the capability. like you are assuming that gaara "can" catch all this summon at once. like nagato summoning rain, it was never shown him using rain to his advantage either but we can assume he can use it in this fight because he has the capability..

2. yeah go to the beach, do some diving and try to bring sand in you hand underwater, or try to create sand castle underwater.. you'll know what I mean.


3. first of sand is not as solid as a tree it is being hold intact by gaara's chakra. gaara needs lots of chakra to make his sand more solid.

2nd I think you have little idea about physics. I'll give you example aswell. imagine a rubber, hold it vertically with one hand on each tip. now pull one side up and hold the other side firmly. what will happen if you pull the other tip too much? right it will eventually break. that's what I'm saying, if you'll gonna think further the ground surrounding CT is also attached to the earth's core but it was teared apart. that's what pretty much will happen with gaara's sand.

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it was rip out of the ground, the roots weren't attached to it anymore(obviously you can see roots but the roots of that tree size is much longer than what was shown). I know this is shinra tensei but that's what basically will happen if gaara tries to anchor himself.

 

[Bogard]

Still discussing?? I don't even know the meaning of this thread. Of course Gaara has no chance. It's obvious

 

[megallica]

nagatos preta path barrier is the biggest game changer. gaara will get raped, mommy wont be able to save his ass on this one.

 

[Yo pappy]

I know we will never agree to each other coz no one wants to accept defeat.

1. this is a vs thread we can assume he can do it if needed because he has the capability. like you are assuming that gaara "can" catch all this summon at once. like nagato summoning rain, it was never shown him using rain to his advantage either but we can assume he can use it in this fight because he has the capability..

2. yeah go to the beach, do some diving and try to bring sand in you hand underwater, or try to create sand castle underwater.. you'll know what I mean.


3. first of sand is not as solid as a tree it is being hold intact by gaara's chakra. gaara needs lots of chakra to make his sand more solid.

2nd I think you have little idea about physics. I'll give you example aswell. imagine a rubber, hold it vertically with one hand on each tip. now pull one side up and hold the other side firmly. what will happen if you pull the other tip too much? right it will eventually break. that's what I'm saying, if you'll gonna think further the ground surrounding CT is also attached to the earth's core but it was teared apart. that's what pretty much will happen with gaara's sand.

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it was rip out of the ground, the roots weren't attached to it anymore(obviously you can see roots but the roots of that tree size is much longer than what was shown). I know this is shinra tensei but that's what basically will happen if gaara tries to anchor himself.

1. It is a VS thread, but you can't just take a persons techniques into account, you also have to take the way they use them into account as well. And the fact is that Nagato has never used all of the summons at once against one person. Another fact is that Gaara can attack in more places than one, and can seal more than one thing at a time.

2. Yeah I wouldn't be able to pick up the sand, but guess what, I'm not Gaara. I don't get what's so hard to understand, just because the sand is underwater does not mean he can't control it. That's nonsense. Maybe if Nagato made a bunch of whirpools it'd have some sort of effect, but it's just water, sitting there, doing nothing, wth..

3. Gaaras sand is not as solid as a tree? Are you kidding me? Crash course.

In the following screen you will see that Kimimaro breaks trough a Samurai's steel blade with the bone from his hand.

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Now with that in mind, in this screen Kimimaro uses his thickest and strongest bone against a shield made up of sand that Gaara used from minerals that he collected underground.

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Gaaras sand is much more solid than a tree. As for Gaara needing a ton of chakra to make sand hard, well, that's false as well. That shield was made from minerals deep underground, and it was harder than steel. Here's what Gaara has to say about collecting minerals, and creating sand from the ground.

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4. You really don't get it. It all depends on the strength of the gravitational pull whether or not Gaara is going to be torn apart. I already posted this, but I suppose you didn't read it so I'll post it again.

"How much gravitational pressure does CT apply though? That's a good question to ask yourself. Boths times we saw CT it wasn't created at lightning fast speed, and speed is what determines the strength of the pull. It was a continuous and steady pull. The first time we saw it 6 tails Naruto was trying to escape by jumping from rock to rock, and even fired a miniature TBB down towards the ground. The second time if you notice as Bee, Naruto, and Itachi are being pulled upward they are talking and moving their hands up and down. If there was that much pressure/pull they shouldn't have been able to do anything."

Gaaras sand will hold together, and the land mass that the sand will go trough will hold together as well because Gaaras sand will be the equivalent of roots for a tree. Except that these roots are harder than steel, and are 200 meters deep into the Earth.

After this one, unless you have something really worth replying to I'm not going to bother. No offense intended.

 

[Princeton]

Nagato throws Chibaku Tensei up then Walks away

 

[The L]

This a joke?

 

[khaydz5]

1. It is a VS thread, but you can't just take a persons techniques into account, you also have to take the way they use them into account as well. And the fact is that Nagato has never used all of the summons at once against one person. Another fact is that Gaara can attack in more places than one, and can seal more than one thing at a time.

2. Yeah I wouldn't be able to pick up the sand, but guess what, I'm not Gaara. I don't get what's so hard to understand, just because the sand is underwater does not mean he can't control it. That's nonsense. Maybe if Nagato made a bunch of whirpools it'd have some sort of effect, but it's just water, sitting there, doing nothing, wth..

3. Gaaras sand is not as solid as a tree? Are you kidding me? Crash course.

In the following screen you will see that Kimimaro breaks trough a Samurai's steel blade with the bone from his hand.

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Now with that in mind, in this screen Kimimaro uses his thickest and strongest bone against a shield made up of sand that Gaara used from minerals that he collected underground.

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Gaaras sand is much more solid than a tree. As for Gaara needing a ton of chakra to make sand hard, well, that's false as well. That shield was made from minerals deep underground, and it was harder than steel. Here's what Gaara has to say about collecting minerals, and creating sand from the ground.

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4. You really don't get it. It all depends on the strength of the gravitational pull whether or not Gaara is going to be torn apart. I already posted this, but I suppose you didn't read it so I'll post it again.

"How much gravitational pressure does CT apply though? That's a good question to ask yourself. Boths times we saw CT it wasn't created at lightning fast speed, and speed is what determines the strength of the pull. It was a continuous and steady pull. The first time we saw it 6 tails Naruto was trying to escape by jumping from rock to rock, and even fired a miniature TBB down towards the ground. The second time if you notice as Bee, Naruto, and Itachi are being pulled upward they are talking and moving their hands up and down. If there was that much pressure/pull they shouldn't have been able to do anything."

Gaaras sand will hold together, and the land mass that the sand will go trough will hold together as well because Gaaras sand will be the equivalent of roots for a tree. Except that these roots are harder than steel, and are 200 meters deep into the Earth.

After this one, unless you have something really worth replying to I'm not going to bother. No offense intended.

it was never shown he was able to seal more than one person with that pyramid. and he never did it in a battle(show me manga page if im wrong). that's what Im talking about, like nagato was never shown to summon all animals at once because it is never needed, manga doesn't say he can't.

and it seems you can't really understand the purpose of number 2, water won't sit still there, its coming from rain, its running water. accept it or not it will AFFECT gaara's capability to control sand, and he'll have that handicap during the whole fight.

the moment CT is in the air it will suck up everything in its range, gaara won't have time to gather all the minerals to harden his sand and dig 200m below. Im still convinced that if the ground itself was teared because of the gravitational pull it will surely tear gaara's sand apart if he tries to anchor himself.

this is what will basically happen to gaara:

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6tails naruto never fired a tbb towards the ground, it was towards the CT core

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and you see the crater made after CT was complete? here:

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that looks deeper than 200m to me...it destroys the whole mountain range, and that was made by nagato who's almost out of chakra and not a complete nagato who according to naruto has WAY stronger, faster, jutsus than before.

Oh and btw, nagato can still make it bigger.

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