Gaara can defeat Nagato.

[Unorthodox]

Wow I read the title and thought, this guy is just trolling right?
I mean you can't honestly think that nagato can lose to someone like Gaara, I won't expound on this as its already been done on this thread but LMFAO at this thread!

yes kishi will never let nagato lose to garra lol he let d-man beat garra he didnt even wont itachi to beat nagato why you think naruto and bee was there lol

 

[Monkey d garp]

lol even in his chair crippled nagato wins without problems

 

[Naruto Ninetails]

no i don't think he can

 

[Yo pappy]

Didn't even read. You must be mad.

Read it.

Im confused. The title says nagato but the op says pein. People need to realise that they are two different people.

Anyway i disagree, but good thread though

C'mon now, you've seen me post here before. I'm not one to get Nagato and Pain mixed up. The reason I made the list that way is so I can show the individual counters for the power of that specific path, because that's what the powers are labeled under. I don't literally mean paths as in like Pain and Tobi.

You are one of the biggest Gaara fanboys after saying he can beat Nagato you must be dreaming. It's like comparing a cat to a lion it's just obserd. You have underrated Nagato one of the main antagonist who wiped out the hidden leaf in one move and would of captured naruto. You should be embarrassed. Nagato wins low difficulty

I haven't underrated Nagato, and no where did I state that Gaara will defeat Nagato 100% of the time. I said he can, which means the possibility exists, it's two different things. I don't see where you get off calling me a fan-boy, look at your status for peep sakes. It says, "uchihas are feared by all! Don't forget it." lol

i will say this no and no

but also this

any top 10 ninja could beat any of the others in the top ten given the conditions of battle but nagato would stomp garra and i like garra a lot he is my second favorite but 9/10 times nagato wins mid difficulty

I can respect that. Thanks for putting your two cents in without being an ass.

Gaara can't beat Nagato
Nagato can fly on birds to avoid being buried,
Nagato can use missiles to blow away incoming sand attacking him
Nagato can use Shinra Tensei to control sand the way he controlled the nail that he tried to use to kill Kakashi, he can freely manipulate the sand in that manner
He can use Bansho Ten'n to draw Gaara in, if Gaara tries to hold his feet to the ground with sand, he'll send missiles to blow up the sand Gaara is using to anchor himself, if Gaara decides to use sand to attack Nagato while Nagato is drawing him in, Nagato can sheild with a summon or use the chakra blast he wanted to use to obliterate Bee(he used this through his Asura path when he invaded Konoha and it destroyed a large building in an instant), when he succeeds in pulling Gaara in he can capture him with Asura's multiple arms and suck his chakra dry or remove his soul or just stab him with chakra blade.
He can also use Wind Release Gale Palm to push back sand directed at him.

- Nagatos bird can be destroyed just like Deidaras was.

- Gaara has techniques like Sand Hail, and Succesive shot that can easily counter the missiles just by sheer numbers.

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- Nagato can control the gravity around the sand, not the sand itself. Meaning Gaara can still make his way around the area that is being manipulated, and Gaara can control a lot more sand at once than Nagato can counter.

- If Gaara holds his feet to the ground he still has his Automatic-Defense to protect him, not to mention the durability to absorb the recoil. Throughout the series Gaara has shown to be able to take a lot of damage and keep going. The rest of your argument is based on if Nagato is able to pull him in, and is something that I won't even bother trying to argue. If Gaara is pulled in he's pretty much screwed, but I've provided a solid counter for that which hasn't really met a loophole at this point.

No way Gaara could last do long, he would run out of chakra...they would keep reviving

What would keep reviving? This is not Pain, and he's not an Edo either, he needs to watch his chakra reserves as well. Also, it's not about who can last longer. Kakashi doesn't have a huge chakra reserve like many of the other characters in the series, and look at how well he's been able to manage.

No freaking way..

How come he can counter Chibaku Tensei/Shinra Tensei/Bansho Ten'in/Gedo Mazo/5 Elemental Mastery Jutsu's..

Plus: High Chakra reserve and the countless Jutsu's of his Rinnegan, dude.. please tell me you're trolling, cause seriously it's no brainier.

I provided counters for Chibaku Tensei, Shinra Tensei, and Bansho Ten'in all in my original post. They're more like defenses than actual counters, but the point still stands. He can survive those techniques. If you don't think he can than give me some proof, not questions. Re-read the original post, I made Gedo Mazo a restriction. It's kind of hard to include all of his 5 elements in this debate when we've only seen two, one was in the anime (earth), and the other one is water which if you've looked trough this thread, has already been toppled. With that said I still respect the fact that they're still there, if you feel like giving more insight on that aspect of Nagatos arsenal feel free. I didn't find much.

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^ I forgot all about that tech. Pain can make it rain.

Game. Set. Match.

Gaara was able to use his sand while it was being destroyed by the Second Mizukages oil, and he was also able to use his sand mixed with his Fathers Golden sand which is 20 times heavier than water. Please re-read trough the thread before making a post about something that's already been made clear.

I would just like to point out... Gaara CANNOT fly. He uses the sand to stand on in the air, but he cannot fly.

Using this is a big disadvantage to Gaara. The further away from the ground he is, the more chakra he has to use in order to use the sand that would be wet and heavy from the rain. The entire world is not made of sand. yes there are areas where the ground is sand, but gaara used the soil to turn into sand. If he's not at the beach or in the sand village, there goes more chakra. Does Gaara have as much chakra now that the bijuu is gone? Not likely, but I haven't read that one way or another.

this one is an interesting one, since we are (i am assuming) talking about the crippled NAGATO, people keep bringing up the six guys which is pein, which Gaara would NOT stand a chance against.

IF and that is a mighty big IF gaara won, it wouldnt be handily. But I think Nagato still would take this one.

At the bolded part, that hasn't been shown to be the case though. Gaara has pulled way more large-scaled jutsus (and small) than he's ever done in the past with the Shukaku. Multiple Pyramids, Sand Tsunamis, sand sensing, numerous clones, Massive Sand-Shields, Third-Eye, helping Oonoki stop the meteor, etc. He's done way more by himself than he's ever done with the Shukaku.

I agree with you though, it is an interesting one, and if Gaara were to win it would probably be by the skin of his teeth.

No, Gaara can't beat Nagato. I don't get how he can get away from Chibaku Tensei, it took 8 tails Naruto to break out of it, Nagato doesn't have that brute force, or defence. The Chibaku Tensei can even absorb the ground, that's how powerful the gravity pull is.

I think you're getting a little confused here. What does Bee, Itachi, and Naruto have to do with this? I never said Gaara can destroy Chibaku Tensei, I said he can survive it by grounding himself with his sand. I don't think that Chibaku Tensei can pull as much land in comparison to how deep Gaara can dig with his sand. From the two times that it's been shown it seems as if it's more of a massive scaled jutsu that pulls masses of land from the surrounding area, opposed to one single area.

Gaara's defense is NOT automatic anymore due to the Shukaku being unsealed from him. The Asura Path is actually much more threatening to Gaara than you make it out to be, it has Chakra Expolsion which is like a miniature version of Kamehameha, still deadly and is long range. For the summons, the bird and the dog are the ones that will give Gaara the hardest time, the bird can fly and the dog multiplies when hit. The Naraka Path uses the King of Hell to heal Nagato AND his paths, it is nowhere near useless Nagato could still heal himself. Gaara controls sand by infusing Chakra into it, like puppet masters do with puppets, so Preta Path is very useful. Shinra Tensei and Banshou Ten'in's power are equal to the amount of force and chakra Nagato puts into, do you really think Gaara could survive the Shinra Tensei Nagato used to destroy Konoha by grounding himself with sand? Please. Banshou Ten'in > Human Path > game. Lol you forgot about Chibaku Tensei which renders all of Gaara long-range and sniping attacks obsolete. Good try.

- Gaaras defense is still automatic, looks at these two pics. Gaaras father clearly states that it was his mother that was responsible for his defense, not the Shukaku. Then his mother is shown protecting him without him summoning her whatsoever.

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- This makes your argument regarding Asura useless seeing as Gaara still has his automatic defense. Also, Kamehameha? Really?!? wtf

- For the millionth time, the bird can be defeated just like Deidaras was. It's a much bigger, and slower target. The dogs don't have to be dealt with directly, Gaara has the ability to seal.

- This is not Pain, you're getting the two confused. If Nagato enters the King of Hell by himself he will be defenseless.

- There are no strings in this case, Gaara is not a puppeteer. How Gaara is able to control his sand has not been made entirely clear. It's been stated that he is able to control it at will, how I can't really say. But Gaara's auto-defense doesn't use chakra either, and it's still part of him. If you really think about it it's not out of the realm of possibility.

- The Nagato we saw wasn't shown to have the ability to fly, and even if he can Gaara can take to the skies as well. He's not just going to stand there and watch him fly. lol

- Chibaku Tensei takes all of Nagatos undivided attention to be able to complete, so he can't attack either, and because he can't attack Gaara can focus on defending himself. I don't think Gaara is stupid enough to try and attack at a moment like that. Give the Kazekage some credit.

No nagato is too much for gaara and is it Nagato only him or with the paths
Because just nagato he is too much of a beast.

It's only Nagato.

MAN THeSe GARRA fanboys are really making mad

lol Why you mad tho? It's not like I'm talking out of my ass or anything, everything I've said so far holds weight.

 

[Melizzle]

I'm not entire sure but doesn't Gaara use wind jutsu for his sand manipulation? If so the jutsu can still be absorbed and the sand will just fall to the ground. I don't think Gaara can take this one alone. He may have a counter for all the paths but fighting them at the same time....I don't think so.

 

[TrollingSage]

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Please read first.

I'm going to go trough each path and ability that Nagato has, and show you how Gaara can possibly counter all of them, and defeat a live Nagato WITHOUT GEDO MAZO. Not all of these points are concrete, and some of these are theories. Whether you agree or not is up to you.

1. Asura path - This is probably the least threatning path to Gaara. As long as he can keep his distance he poses no threat besides the missiles which can be disposed of by either blocking, or changing it's course with the sand. Whatever this path does is easily countered by Gaaras auto defense.

2. Animal Path - Each and every summon can easily be defeated by simply crushing them, the only one that would give Gaara some trouble would be the Multi-headed dog which he can seal. Also, because Gaara can attack with his sand in more places than one, and from the ground up the linked vision between the summons will be of no use.

3. Naraka Path/Outer Path - Pretty much useless in this fight, Nagato isn't pain, and has no need to revive any bodies.

4. Preta Path - As long as Gaara does not attack with the sand in his gourd Preta Path won't be able to absorb anything. The only sand that Gaara uses that is infused with his chakra is the sand in his gourd as stated by Deidara. Once he realizes that his chakra is being drained he can just use regular sand. This is the reason that Gaara without the Shukaku has been able to last so long in the war without tiring. Think about it.

5. Human Path - This can pretty much kill anyone, and anything if caught, but I don't think Nagato will be able to bring Gaara into his range. I'll explain this next.

6. Deva Path - Both Universal Pull and almighty push can be countered by Gaara grounding himself with the sand. He's done this to his opponents (Kimimaro, his Father, etc.), and there's no reason to say he couldn't do it to himself. It would be somewhat similar to how Tsunade was planning to counter Pain by concentrating chakra to her feet, but unlike Tsunade Gaara still has his auto-defense to minimize the effects of Shinra Tensei. He can use this same method to survive Chibaku Tensei. Gaara has been shown to be able to dig with his sand down to depths of 200 meters, probably even more now. If he were to latch onto his feet with his sand being that deep he's not going anywhere.

Side Notes:

- Nagatos biggest downfall in this fight is that he cannot move, if had the ability to move around he would destroy Gaara. I see him either being crushed or buried, heck, probably both.

- I'm not saying that Gaara would own him, or that he would win every time, but unlike many other characters in the manga he has a solid chance of doing it alone.

You really think Gaaras sand will protect him from this?

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You must be high. Oh and as for Gaara using sand to ground himself against chibaku tensei, you do realize Gaara isnt going to have any ground to anchor himself to right? C/T pulls even the earth itself towards it. And also there's common physics. If C/T is pulling Gaara up and he's using the sand to hold on, his body is eventually going to break. He isnt a string you know.

 

[monkster]

no he wouldnt i mean rock lee opening his gates almost beat the crap out of him so i doubt... no i belive he cannot win against nagato

 

[Yo pappy]

1. that's what im saying, his missles/lasers can use it as a diversion.. addition to his wide range of attacks and as a defense as well.

2.you're talking as if nagato would use his summon 1by 1. nagato can summon all of it at once and while gaara is busy crushing those nagato would have sneaked behind him and suck his life out. his summons can move independently you know, they will not sit there and let them be crushed by sand. if nagato flies witht he bird and he gaara uses sand to crush it, of course nagato would defend and uses shinra tensei to gaara..

3. where are you getting he is defenseless while at it? lol we all see that he can use it as a regular summon, added sets of eyes.

4. well you're theory doesn't make sense, what else will gaara use to control sand?lol

5.as i've said this is effctive in conjuction with other attack its more like of nagato's killing blow

6. check how he pulled out the nail frm the wood, you'll realize what im saying. gaara would be crushed inside CT core, unlike earth's gravity the core has a much greater gravitational pull. gaara would get crushed if he was caught in it. rocks boulders at 2x or even 3x the earth's gravity>gaara's sand.


7. it was already shown that oil was able to make it hard to control, and it wasn't little rain.what will happen at gaara's sand if it was washed away with the crab's bubbles?lol. see manga again.

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here it was shown that mizukage's attack was able to affect gaara's sand. multiply what mizukage used, nagato's rain+crab summon can definitely affect gaara's sand. and don't give bullcrap that gaara can fly coz he ain't gonna fly high above the clouds his sand would literally melt in heavy rain pour.

1. It is a diversion, but a really ineffective one since it can't do anything to Gaara directly unless he's within range of it's arms.

2. How is Nagato going to creep up behind Gaara when he's a cripple? His only chance of getting behind Gaara is using the Chameleon summon, and Gaaras sand sensing will give away it's location like it did the Second Mizukages clam. You're right his summons can move independently, but Gaara can attack in more than one place. He was able to momentarily capture the Fourth Kazekage, Second Mizukage, and the Third Raikage, and would have sealed them if it wasn't for their special techniques. The Third Raikage had to use his hell stab to get out, and the Mizukage used his oil to deteriorate the sand. None of the summons have techniques on par with those.

3. Since when does the King of Hell have offensive capabilities? Relying on the summons to protect him while he heals would be a death sentence.

4. I don't freaking know man. lol It's a possibility though. Look at his auto-defense, that don't make no damn sense either but it works, it's part of him, and it doesn't waste chakra.

5. You're right, it's best combo for defeating anybody really....

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If they didn't have a way of stopping themselves from being pulled in.

6. I know what you're referring to, but c'mon dude... do you really think Gaara needs that gourd to hold his sand for him? lol

7. Again with the crab? You're killing me man... and water... melting sand.. really? Just when I thought you were beginning to make sense. Anyway, gaara was able to infuse his fathers golden sand with his which is 20 heavier than water. Not only that, but he was able to lift his sand above his fathers sand as well, again showing that water =/= Slow sand.

 

[henryred95]

wow all i see that the fanboys cant let it out that their character can lose.. im a fanboy of uchiha but i know uchiha cant win everything....

 

[Yo pappy]

You really think Gaaras sand will protect him from this?

You must be high. Oh and as for Gaara using sand to ground himself against chibaku tensei, you do realize Gaara isnt going to have any ground to anchor himself to right? C/T pulls even the earth itself towards it. And also there's common physics. If C/T is pulling Gaara up and he's using the sand to hold on, his body is eventually going to break. He isnt a string you know.

Nagato hasn't been shown to be able to fly, and if he can Gaara isn't just going to stand there and watch him. So the aerial advantage isn't the same in this case, but like I said crippled Nagato was never shown to be able to fly, it was Pain. Either way this means that instead of a downward force being applied it will be mostly frontal, and that I think Gaara can defend. Nagato isn't a string either, but he seemed to stay intact didn't he? As for CT, it pulls masses of land from a very large area not just one single spot, this means that it's not going to go as deep into the Earth as Gaaras sand will.

wow all i see that the fanboys cant let it out that their character can lose.. im a fanboy of uchiha but i know uchiha cant win everything....

I've stated numerous times that Gaaras chances are slim, but the possibility of him winning is higher than others in the manga because of his fighting style. Stop taking things out of context. I've covered my grounds fairly well, ignoring them doesn't make you right.

 

[sasukeEMSrules]

there is no way gaara can beat nagato... stop overrating gaara.

 

[somekindawizard]

Water actually makes the sand a lot more compact, which is why it's heavy to begin with. Wet sand is not the same thing as mud, get it trough your head.

also it doesnt matter if its liquid, ninja can stand on water...

I dont think Garaa has a chance.

If hes flying then Chibaku Tensei... which could also pull in loads of missles, and summons to attack at the same time (the summons can just be revived), and then Nagato can prepare a follow up attack or a defense incase Garaa escapes some how.

If Nagato cant walk, then he can fly on a summon to stay away, or he could just absorb chakra from his summons (he has alot of them) and revive them later if he needs them.

If Garaa is on the ground, maybe Chibaku Tensei wouldnt work, but it is still a good defense as all sand attacks would still get drawn towards it.

Another thing about Chibaku Tensei is that im pretty sure thats how Madara created meteors yeah??? so if Garaa locks him self to the ground so he doesnt get sucked in, a huge meteor will form above his head which Nagato can just drop onto him. It will be hard to avoid, especially if Nagato thn push or pulls Garaa to keep him in the drop zone.

Basically Nagato's arsenal of abilities is just too great

 

[Unorthodox]

nagato will use chibaku and regarless of what anyone say he can absorb garra sand universal pull then the finish or grand all mighty push

 

[Jayaraman MinatoItachi]

Stop overrating garra. He may be stronger among 5 kages but not stronger than nagato. Even sharingan users will have hard time against nagato.

 

[pdaworld]

Sand from his gourd and sand from the ground doesn't change the fact it has chakra fuse into it. He carrys the gourd around so no matter where he is it at he will always has something to fight with. If the sand moves it because Gaara infuses some of his chakra into it. LOL at it just moves on its own. Pretra would have a buffet.

 

[Arcaneos510X]

i admit it would be a good fight but i think its obvious who would win.

 

[TrollingSage]

Nagato hasn't been shown to be able to fly, and if he can Gaara isn't just going to stand there and watch him. So the aerial advantage isn't the same in this case, but like I said crippled Nagato was never shown to be able to fly, it was Pain. Either way this means that instead of a downward force being applied it will be mostly frontal, and that I think Gaara can defend. Nagato isn't a string either, but he seemed to stay intact didn't he? As for CT, it pulls masses of land from a very large area not just one single spot, this means that it's not going to go as deep into the Earth as Gaaras sand will.



I've stated numerous times that Gaaras chances are slim, but the possibility of him winning is higher than others in the manga because of his fighting style. Stop taking things out of context. I've covered my grounds fairly well, ignoring them doesn't make you right.

You are clearly playing the battle out the way you want it. Why wont nagato use his aerial advantage? He can even use summons and fly like diedara. And there is nothing gaara can do to stop him since any ninjustsu attack willl be absorbed. Nagato isnt a string either? why would he pull himself? lol He is pulling gaara whiles skydiving with his birdie. Do u believe he will be holding gaaras hand?
No gaaras fighting style doesnt particularly earn him an advantage to win. Gaara is kage lvl and will fare like how most kage level nins will fare but the end will be inevitable defeatxd

 

[Ultimatevirus]

Nagato is way too much for gara

 

[stRunF]

Gaara lost to Deidara dude, Deidara was nowhere close to Pain..
I would feel stupid to create such a topic, srsly.

 

[Minato fanboy]

i dont think hi can