Fourth Databook & Movie, the Last, Databook- Translations

[OG sama]

Re: Fourth Databook [Jin no Sho] - Translations

So the guy who translated Sasuke's technique also states he isnt sure if the sage gave Sasuke the rinnegan.

Oh man you know what I just realized. That "entrusted by the Sage of Six Paths" line could also be referring to the jutsu itself rather than the Rinnegan. I never even knew there was a debate about where his Rinnegan came from before this though

There shouldn't even be a debate about it. It was stated in the viz that sasuke awakened the one eyed rinnegan.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Re: Fourth Databook [Jin no Sho] - Translations

Him flying to create the moon

Hagoromo just half way flying still under earth atmosphere, but this is after that, after the moon is sent to outer space. There is where hamura created a record as the highest flyers from earth to outer space. XD

 

[Legitimate]

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I see only one possible reason:

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^^ One and only possible reason I see...

If Hagoromo and Hamura really sealed Juubi in the moon, then maybe after few attempt to undo IT, they decided to try with Juubi with Hagoromo being first to summon it from the moon and seal it in himself.

However although it is fitting this one raises another question what would be purpouse of Ootsutsuki clan guarding moon and Hamura sending them there if Gedo Mazou or Juubi was no longer here later...

But Hago said, you don't need the Juubi to undo the IT.

Yes it never state, but it is possible, that what we called a theory.

You just very hard pressed to stick on your plot hole resolve.

even I myself dont really care about this manga, still I giving my best on making a logical or possible answer or contribution here.

Im still manage to think wisely

Point is, why would Hago teleport the Juubi back and forth if he can do it in the first place. The Juubi is sealed and the world is safe, no need to summon it again.

This isn't a real life event, this is a fictional story, it's common to have a plothole, like the color of Obito's hair, TSB, empty eye socket Susanoo, etc.

 

[OG sama]

Re: Fourth Databook [Jin no Sho] - Translations

So Naruto restoring Kakashi's eye was Yin Yang Release?

So Naruto can use onmyoudon. And he has perfect use. That's pretty cool.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Re: Fourth Databook [Jin no Sho] - Translations

But the Hago said, you don't need the Juubi to undo the IT.

^^ Well he stated clearly Tailed beasts chakra... now tell me smartass from what the chakra Tailed beasts were created ?

Of course Ten tails chakra, so here you have your answer.

Hagoromo stating all even a bits of Tailed beasts chakra was needed is almost same as Juubi, only difference is Tailed beasts have their own form and mind, nothing else, oh and they are friendly ;P.

But as I said considering it truth what would be purpouse of Hamura along with clan guarding the moon... I hope it is not correctly translated if it is not and The part with guarding moon is wrong, maybe later after Hagoromo created moon on his death bed then they went to moon guard it then it make sense and we got rid of any plot hole.

EDIT: Hagoromo only stated that there is no need for TAILED BEASTS THEMSELVES TO be involved as Naruto has already his all Bijuu chakra even if small amount, that is equally to say that if Naruto doesn't have Bijuu chakra then Tailed beats are NEEDED

 

[IKSOKRIPS]

Re: Fourth Databook [Jin no Sho] - Translations

Question - The first translation specifically mentions Naruto being able to perfectly manipulate ying-yang release. The second translation does not mention Naruto at all.

So which is it. Is Naruto mentioned in the Databook passage or did someone tack that on? The answer makes one of the translations suspect.

You, see the smaller images on that page, where there are smaller texts next to them? Those are the one that the are present in the first translation, but absent in the second one.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Re: Fourth Databook [Jin no Sho] - Translations

But the Hago said, you don't need the Juubi to undo the IT.



Point is, why would Hago teleport the Juubi back and forth if he can do it in the first place. The Juubi is sealed and the world is safe, no need to summon it again.

This isn't a real life event, this is a fictional story, it's common to have a plothole, like the color of Obito's hair, TSB, empty eye socket Susanoo, etc.

But I just able to said that for first attempt, he dont having an intention to absorb a juubi hence he just developed RCT only, but on the other day he maybe having a need or intantion to tried to absorb a juubi inside his self, maybe he want to study it power closely, accurately, hence he developed another sealing jutsu same as madara sealing jutsu.

 

[Legitimate]

Re: Fourth Databook [Jin no Sho] - Translations

^^ Well he stated clearly Tailed beasts chakra... now tell me smartass from what the chakra Tailed beasts were created ?

Of course Ten tails chakra, so here you have your answer.

Hagoromo stating all even a bits of Tailed beasts chakra was needed is almost same as Juubi, only difference is Tailed beasts have their own form and mind, nothing else, oh and they are friendly ;P.

But as I said considering it truth what would be purpouse of Hamura along with clan guarding the moon... I hope it is not correctly translated if it is not and The part with guarding moon is wrong, maybe later after Hagoromo created moon on his death bed then they went to moon guard it then it make sense and we got rid of any plot hole.

OK, let's use your theory, he would summon the Juubi back, and sealed it again, it means 2 Moons. Hagoromo cannot magically teleport back the Juubi to the same moon.

But is just able to said that for first attempt, he dont having an intention to absorb a juubi hence he just developed RTC only, but on the other day he maybe having a need or intantion to tried to absorb a juubi inside his self, maybe he want to study it power closely, accurately, hence he developed another sealing jutsu same as madara sealing jutsu.

Hagoromo doesn't need to study it because he isn't a power hungry like Madara.

Hagoromo cannot magically teleport back the Juubi to the same moon. It means, 2 moons, plothole.

 

[Antichrist]

Re: Fourth Databook [Jin no Sho] - Translations

Kaguya's planet got destroyed ..... and thats why she come to planet earth .... by eating the fruit she might be able to rebuild her planet .

 

[KCMNaruto]

Re: Fourth Databook [Jin no Sho] - Translations

OK, let's use your theory, he would summon the Juubi back, and sealed it again, it means 2 Moons. Hagoromo cannot magically teleport back the Juubi to the same moon.

But the Gedo Mazou was core for Chibaku Tensei so it would mean once Hagoromo summoned Juubi back for Hamura to help him seal it in himself so he can undo IT. Without Gedo mazou the moon simply crumbled into pieces... but how it was never mentioned, maybe Kishi hide something from us to real in the movie that one last missing piece to connect dots.

Anyway, it would still hold importance if Hamura and by extension whole Ootsutsuki clan left the Naruto's world later going to the moon to guard it after Hagoromo created the moon by himself...

What do you think about it ?, I believe it is only one and with not plot hole possible way to explain that stuff.

 

[VongolaX]

Re: Fourth Databook [Jin no Sho] - Translations

Hagoromo just half way flying still under earth atmosphere, but this is after that, after the moon is sent to outer space. There is where hamura created a record as the highest flyers from earth to outer space. XD

Lol at least Haruma has a feat for being the highest flyer

 

[Ansatsuken]

Re: Fourth Databook [Jin no Sho] - Translations

OK, let's use your theory, he would summon the Juubi back, and sealed it again, it means 2 Moons. Hagoromo cannot magically teleport back the Juubi to the same moon.



Hagoromo doesn't need to study it because he isn't a power hungry like Madara.

Hagoromo cannot magically teleport back the Juubi to the same moon. It means, 2 moons, plothole.

In my previous post I said that hago just using the already made moon to become the new moon material.

that is mean the already made moon is destroyed by gravity core and it transfer to mazo body, hence the new moon is created. The process is take higher than the earth ground.

you clearly not read my other post here.

 

[Legitimate]

Re: Fourth Databook [Jin no Sho] - Translations

In my previous post I said that hago just using the already made moon to become the new moon material.

that is mean the already made moon is destroyed by gravity core and it transfer to mazo body, hence the new moon is created. The process is take higher than the earth ground.

you clearly not read my other post here.

Look, I'm not making any theories here, because theories won't fill the plothole. All of my arguments are from the manga and databook that do not match which mean plothole.

Again, making theories won't fill the plothole. If you want to fill the plothole, post a manga scans or databooks because in the end, all your claims are just a theories, fanmade and non canon.

Making fan theories to fill the plothole = Not official Naruto Manga

 

[Ansatsuken]

Re: Fourth Databook [Jin no Sho] - Translations

Look, I'm not making any theories here, because theories won't fill the plothole. All of my arguments are from the manga and databook that do not match which mean plothole.

Again, making theories won't fill the plothole. If you want to fill the plothole, post a manga scans or databooks because in the end, all your claims are just a theories, fanmade and non canon.

Making fan theories to fill the plothole = Not official Naruto Manga

This is not about to fill a plot hole, rather it to build an understanding of the manga, not all is plot hole but understanding problem, you failed to see in many perspective.

and because you failed and keep on failing, its hard for me or KCM to help you.

what mostly I see in this manga is either nerfing or asspull, this is the most problem here.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Re: Fourth Databook [Jin no Sho] - Translations

Look, I'm not making any theories here, because theories won't fill the plothole. All of my arguments are from the manga and databook that do not match which mean plothole.

Again, making theories won't fill the plothole. If you want to fill the plothole, post a manga scans or databooks because in the end, all your claims are just a theories, fanmade and non canon.

Making fan theories to fill the plothole = Not official Naruto Manga

The only possible way I see it working with no plot:

Hagoromo and Hamura fought Juubi-> Juubi was made core of CT and created the moon-> Hagoromo summoned Ten tails->?->Hagoromo seal it in himself(Hamura could help him)->Hagoromo becomes Ten tails host-> Jin Hagoromo and Hamura released IT-> Hagoromo extract Ten tails chakra and create Tailed beasts of them-> Hagoromo send Empty Ten tails's husk in sky making it core of CT to create the Moon-> Hamura along with rest Ootsutsuki clan depart to guard it(Hagoromo dies)

? - This missing event whatever it was it was reason of The moon disappearing/being destroyed after Their fight against Juubi. Maybe there was second battle, or maybe simply second time Juubi was summoned went at rampage and blown the crumbling moon with no core somehow wiping it out or the moon crumbled itself and Hagoromo and Hamura destroyed it somehow...

Maybe it is the reason behind Hagoromo as Jinchurki being stated to recreate/reshapes the world with nunoboko sword as the Crumbling moon collsion with earth took massive damage to Naruto world back then

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[Samurai Dcrews]

Re: Fourth Databook [Jin no Sho] - Translations

Something I think that is completely overlooked is where the hell did the Shinju come from? Sounds to me a lot like the Tree of Might from DBZ and if that is the case, maybe someone planted it.

Considering that and the fact that Kaguya's clan are aliens, Naruto might be going into space

 

[Legitimate]

Re: Fourth Databook [Jin no Sho] - Translations

But the Gedo Mazou was core for Chibaku Tensei so it would mean once Hagoromo summoned Juubi back for Hamura to help him seal it in himself so he can undo IT. Without Gedo mazou the moon simply crumbled into pieces... but how it was never mentioned, maybe Kishi hide something from us to real in the movie that one last missing piece to connect dots.

Anyway, it would still hold importance if Hamura and by extension whole Ootsutsuki clan left the Naruto's world later going to the moon to guard it after Hagoromo created the moon by himself...

What do you think about it ?, I believe it is only one and with not plot hole possible way to explain that stuff.

Your argument is good but the moon didn't get crumbled into pieces when Madara summon the Gedo Mazo back, again, another plothole. Again, 2 moons.

This is not about to fill a plot hole, rather it to build an understanding of the manga, not all is plot hole but understanding problem, you failed to see in many perspective.

and because you failed and keep on failing, its hard for me or KCM to help you.

what mostly I see in this manga is either nerfing or asspull, this is the most problem here.

What understanding? Even KCM knew something is missing, unlike you. Your arguments are theories trying to fill the plothole. Here are the events in the manga, it's pretty clear you don't understand it:

*Hagoromo and Hamura sealed the Juubi/Kaguya inside the former.

*Hagoromo extracted and created the Tailed Beasts, leaving Gedo Mazo inside his body.

*Hagoromo and Hamura sealed the Juubi/Kaguya using the Rikudo Chibaku Tensei, creating the moon.

 

[Legitimate]

Re: Fourth Databook [Jin no Sho] - Translations

The only possible way I see it working with no plot:

Hagoromo and Hamura fought Juubi-> Juubi was made core of CT and created the moon-> Hagoromo summoned Ten tails->?->Hagoromo seal it in himself(Hamura could help him)->Hagoromo becomes Ten tails host-> Jin Hagoromo and Hamura released IT-> Hagoromo extract Ten tails chakra and create Tailed beasts of them-> Hagoromo send Empty Ten tails's husk in sky making it core of CT to create the Moon-> Hamura along with rest Ootsutsuki clan depart to guard it(Hagoromo dies)

? - This missing event whatever it was it was reason of The moon disappearing/being destroyed after Their fight against Juubi. Maybe there was second battle, or maybe simply second time Juubi was summoned went at rampage and blown the crumbling moon with no core somehow wiping it out or the moon crumbled itself and Hagoromo and Hamura destroyed it somehow...

Maybe it is the reason behind Hagoromo as Jinchurki being stated to recreate/reshapes the world with nunoboko sword as the Crumbling moon collsion with earth took massive damage to Naruto world back then

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In the end, we can only guess, but your argument is good and connected to the movie. Let's hope the movie is canon to the manga.

 

[KCMNaruto]

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In the end, we can only guess, but your argument is good and connected to the movie. Let's hope the movie is canon to the manga.

Thank you very much

I trust very much that Kishi will not disappoint or make it more compliacted then it already is.

Let's hope it will get clear soon

 

[Ansatsuken]

Re: Fourth Databook [Jin no Sho] - Translations

Your argument is good but the moon didn't get crumbled into pieces when Madara summon the Gedo Mazo back, again, another plothole. Again, 2 moons.




What understanding? Even KCM knew something is missing, unlike you. Your arguments are theories trying to fill the plothole. Here are the events in the manga, it's pretty clear you don't understand it:

*Hagoromo and Hamura sealed the Juubi/Kaguya inside the former.

*Hagoromo extracted and created the Tailed Beasts, leaving Gedo Mazo inside his body.

*Hagoromo and Hamura sealed the Juubi/Kaguya using the Rikudo Chibaku Tensei, creating the moon.

What make I think, I dont understand here, Im clearly know it

1 and 2, is when hago explained to naruto

3, is when kaguya flasback in kaguya arc

Anf if I put in a time line, it look like this, 3 ->1 -> 2

3- is hago and hamura for the first time fighting juubi and sealed it inside RCT

1- is when hago summon juubi back to earth and absorb it

2- is when hago spread the juubi chakra to become bijuus and sealed back juubi inside the moon.

What hago told to naruto and sasuke only the first fight until the first moon is created, events after that is not being told by hago to either naruto or sasuke or even bijuus them self. The after events is still in question here. But we know of thing that occur in after even tat is creation of bijuus telling by hagoromo him self.