I completely understand, and agree to a point. My qualm with edo tensei is that people state Kabuto is #1 in a 1v1 fight due to edo tensei and this is simply not true and almost creates a paradox in itself.
The way orochimaru used his edo kages almost directly mirrors a puppet master battle. He stands back and manipulates the kage's actions. Now, with a puppet master, this would be considered a 1v1 battle, however with edo tensei included it almost turns into the puppet being considered the fighter, rather than the master.
The way everyone describes it, is that kabuto "claps his hands, 28 edos pop out of the ground, and they all murder the target." While this is true, I don't consider this a 1v1 fight, as in THIS instance he is not using direct control, essentially making him a team leader, rather than a puppet master.
It's rather confusing, and it's 3:00am here so i might not make much sense, but i hope you follow my logic. Haha.
In essence; using direct control turns the fight into puppet vs. target (Nagato vs. Naruto and Bee, rather than Kabuto vs. Naruto and Bee)
And using indirect control turns the fight into a team battle against a single opponent rather than a 1v1 fight.
Oh you make perfect sense which is once again why I absolutely hate this aspect of Edo Tensei, and for the most part entirely agree...
Kabuto: Oh...so you are here to fight me...allow me to summon up about 40 people to fight along side me.
The Nagato vs Naruto, Bee, and Itachi fight and Orochimaru's style are deffinatly the closest and fairest Parallel to a Puppet Master fight. And I agree that when he just pulls up X number of Bodies and says, "Fight"...a
TRUE one on one is deffinatly lost.....
Unfortunately for me, I see Edo Tensei as part of an individuals power....so while the observational/logical/figurative deffinition of Mano e Mano is
ENTIRELY DESTROYED, on a principle of "technicality" it is still a one on one because it is his power....
1. I specifically put "jutsu".... so how can i imply such a thing?
2. I can go morals on you.. but that will get us no where so , i'm dropping this. Since your cool and all.
3. Go rewatch the puppets in Naruto..... Puppets in NARUTO require strings just like real life puppets. No clue why your comparing them. Trying to making something into which it is not is twisting the manga. I already gave a solid reasoning which you claimed to be not solid. Yet you believe your reasoning is solid.
4. When the soul comes out in the body it is free. But later on is binded by Kabuto/Oro. A soul is not a tool.. atleast not in the human dictionary.
5. It is a paradox , because you made it into a paradox. The manga has never once declared the 3rd Raikage's powers to be part of Kabuto's power.. or any other edo's powers. Not even once. Kabuto acts as the leaders to a number of shinobis... simple as that. He tells them to attack.. they attack. Hashirama was the leader of the Senju.. he tells them to attack they attack.. Same for Madara. If your making multiple shinobis part of 1 person's power.. then i fail to see your logic.
6. Manga says "pawns". Do not add words by yourself sir. The point you made was that it only refers to "one".. and then you made unlogical examples of fire jutsu and etc.. yet the "ones" refers to a living being.
7. Because the first definition refers to Chess.
. If you say it refers to the first.. Then you should know chess is played by using other people (bishop, horse, king , queen, pawns and etc) , not yourself. Mano e Mano is a one vs one fight where it is your body vs other person's body. How is Edo tensei keeping the fight one vs one.
Silence is Gold, when there is no need to speak up. Otherwise Words are Diamonds and pearls.
1. When you said jutsu...you went on to say that they only the ability to summon the thing is one's power....that is not power at all....the ability to summon something, and have that thing perform a productive action for you is what the summoning jutsu does...which is why I felt the Summoning Techniques were being devalued compared to other jutsu ^.^
2.Lol Fair enough XD!!
3. They aren't the exact same I entirely agree; however, the actions parallel one another. The Puppeteer sits back while the puppet directly engagges the opponent. The Puppet Master using direct chakra threads to accomplish this. Edo Tensei Caster's Sit back while their Edo Bodies directly engage the opponent. The Caster using mental commands as a parallel to strings to accomplish this. That is why I compare them.
4. I would agree that a soul is not a tool; however, once binded to an object it becomese the equivelent of a tool...a parallel to an Ox drawing a plow, or a horse drawing a buggy. These animals have effectively become tools, and by utilizing their own mobility, a human is capable of accomplishing desired tasks through them.
5. Kabuto mentioned his pawns a part of his power. If the pawns refer to the Edo Bodies...then their power is indirectly under his command. Hashirama can issue an attack; however, this does not mean every Senju will immediatly attack or some may even NOT attack....because Hashirama cannot 100% force them to do things. Kabuto on the other hand can unless the Edo happens to know override methodes or has been blessed with rediculous DNA. The shinobi, as dead Edo Bodies, are a part of a persons power, but completely living shinobi are not a part of one person's power (for instance Hashirama's Clan members are not a part of his power).
6. The "ones" cannot refer to living beings because every Edo Tensei represents a dead individual...they are Undead or the Re-living if used in this context. I don't believe I added any words of my own. I was simply replying to the deffinition.
Pawn: one that can be used to further the purposes of another. In the plural form it would be
Pawn: Many that can be used to further the purposes of another.....Nowhere in the deffinition does it directly state that One or Many refer to an individual. Nor does it state "another" refers to an individual. For example: One could use a Wind Jutsu as a pawn to further the purpose of a Fire Jutsu (to burn the crap out of someone). In a plural sense, one can use a plethora of Wind Jutsu as pawns to further the purpose of creating a Wind Barrier (as was done to defend the Juubi's Furry Swipes). I still consider the Edo Bodies as tools simply due to the fact that they have absolutely no say in what they do (other than maybee how they use their techniques...and even then they can still be controlled). As such, Pawns to me, refers to multiple Edo Bodies that are essentially Souls strapped to a plow....by using the Soul as a power source, your tool is 100 times better.
7. But chess is Mano e Mano. The pieces have absolutely no power, intelligence, or mobility on their own. In the hands of one individual...the Queen can tear through the ranks and devestate the enemy. In the hands of another, the Queen is easily taken by a pawn. Through your deployment of the pieces, you come ever closer to being either victorious or defeated. You alone are in control of all the pieces on one side, and One person alone is in control of all the pieces on the other side. So in effect, you are all of you pieces and the opponent is all of his or her pieces.
As applied to Kabuto. He oversaw the deployment of each and every one of his pieces. Kabuto effectively tried to make every piece as close to the Queen that tears through the enemy ranks as he could, but he still played with Pawns. For instance, He used Haku to re-draw the image of the way the boy origionally died...almost allowing Zabuza to butcher Kakashi. The King in chess can represent your hold on Edo Tensei...once an opponent starts placing you in check, you focus more on moving yourself and your control over the jutsu and thus limiting the commands to be given to deployed Edos (other Pieces). Once Izanami happened and Edo Tensei was released. Checkmate. The Edo Pieces wer no longer able to move of their own volition, and were then sent freed from their bodies.
