The reanimated shinobi is under his control so it is part of the caster's power.
"legitimately" ROFL, what is even considered as legitimate nowadays? It's just pathetic how you're trying so hard to cut in half character's abilities.
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The reanimated shinobi is under his control so it is part of the caster's power.
"legitimately" ROFL, what is even considered as legitimate nowadays? It's just pathetic how you're trying so hard to cut in half character's abilities.
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I agree it's just like how in part 1 naruto summoned boss toad, who did not want to fight for him, he didn't see why he should. Just cause you can summon something does not make it yours.
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Hashirama... can't even be controlled by Edo tensei.. lmao. Hes too strong to compare to Kabuto.
Prime Kabuto is him having a army right? Then Prime Hashirama, is him having the Senju clan
Prim Madara is him having the Uchiha clan
Prime Naruto is him having the Shinobi alliance.
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Who beat the 5 kage? Kabuto? No. Did kabuto defeat himself via itachi? If they are directly under his control, what was happening when he was battling the uchiha brothers? Did they just stand there? No. They had limited free will and orders to fight. You don't see people including Konan as Pain and Nagato's power.
Awww, poor butthurt little fanboy can't accept the fact that his favorite character isn't the strongest in the manga. It's so sad to see.
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Are you saying summons can't be used in a debate?
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This thread is garbage.
Here's an example:
Let's say we had a character that's total power consisted of summons, and with these summons, he/she is easily top 5.
Now, when considering this character in VS situations, are you going to take away all their summons?
Hell no you arn't. Because THAT is what makes them a formidable opponent. That's why these characters in the show USE THE SUMMONS, because they contribute to the main character's strength.
Taking away any form of summon that is consistently used by the character is unfair and a trash argument.
Here's an example:
Let's say we had a character that's total power consisted of summons, and with these summons, he/she is easily top 5.
Now, when considering this character in VS situations, are you going to take away all their summons?
Hell no you arn't. Because THAT is what makes them a formidable opponent. That's why these characters in the show USE THE SUMMONS, because they contribute to the main character's strength.
Taking away any form of summon that is consistently used by the character is unfair and a trash argument.
No Madara and Itachi don't count since they are able to break free from the Edo. Konan isn't under Nagato's direct control. This is the worst allusion i've ever seen.
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Another trash argument.
Naruto has Gamabunta at any point for a battle. He does not have the Shinobi Alliance.
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.. If a character has to rely on other living things for power.. then he is weak...Did you even read the thread..? Cause you obviously automatically thought that this is a "Ant- summon" in VS threads.... when its not.
Slick.. i already answered this in my Man post..... Specific on which summons are your own power.. and which aren't.
Animal summoning:
"The contract comes in the form of a scroll, on which the contractor uses their own blood to sign their name and place their fingerprints and once signed it is valid even after the contractors death as long as the contract itself remains intact."
Animal summoning only occurs due to a contract between 2 living things. Since when is another living being considered part of your own power (unless it lives inside your own body)?
Summons that are your own power:
- Tools (Puppets/Scrolls/ Weapons)
- The Gashoumon gate summons (sorry if i misspelled it), or any sort of summons like that.
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No edos are in the user's direct control! How can you not see that? Kabuto was fighting while the war was going on. They are not puppets, they are teammates.
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Your logic is flawed, you said before they have direct control over these Edo, yet now that oro summoned the Kage back with more power, obviously a better try than his previous, he cannot control them. That's straight manga fact, can't argue that. And he has a body composed of almost all senju cells. Furthermore, how many other characters have we seen break Edo control? So no it's a weak ass excuse for not having any power for themselves, you can call it whatever you want, but it's not that hard to figure out.
Thank you come again.
lololol, putting words I never said in my mouth right? I never said anyone had direct control over Itachi or Madara since it's false.So basically you're arguing with yourself, good job smartass.
Come again.
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Hashirama or Naruto?
Naruto = Future number 1
Hashirama = Strongest NINJA to exist, Second strongest Shinobi to exist
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Did you even read the thread..? Cause you obviously automatically thought that this is a "Ant- summon" in VS threads.... when its not.
Slick.. i already answered this in my Man post..... Specific on which summons are your own power.. and which aren't.
Animal summoning:
"The contract comes in the form of a scroll, on which the contractor uses their own blood to sign their name and place their fingerprints and once signed it is valid even after the contractors death as long as the contract itself remains intact."
Animal summoning only occurs due to a contract between 2 living things. Since when is another living being considered part of your own power (unless it lives inside your own body)?
Summons that are your own power:
- Tools (Puppets/Scrolls/ Weapons)
- The Gashoumon gate summons (sorry if i misspelled it), or any sort of summons like that.
That's not true.
So Naruto lost to Shukaku, right?
Oh wait, no he didn't, because he used his OWN chakra for his OWN summon of Gamabunta. Gamabunta is clearly in Naruto's arsenal if he can use him as a weapon... Which he can and has.
And how can you say a character consisting of summons is weak?
Your weapons/animals point is dumb too. So weapons, like shuriken, are okay and a part of their power? How is it any different than summoning a giant frog with a sword? Was this person magically born with a shuriken in his arm?
If an animal summon isn't considered to be a part of that character's strength, then how is a giant shuriken? Just because it's not alive?
That's ridiculous.
By your logic, a character that can summon a giant, inanimate bomb is fair and a part of his power, but a guy who can summon an eagle is unfair and not a part of his power.
Kabuto can assign them orders and decide of their actions so yes he's controlling them. You can't argue with facts. To me you're just desperately trying to belittle kabuto and oro.
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And its Gamabunta's choice if he wants to fight..
And since when does Kabuto have his edo army whenever he wants?
As i recall.. they all go Bye bye.
He never won against the Shukaku.... lmao. They simply made Gaara wake up , which lead to Shukaku going away. And for that Gamabunta was needed.. lmao.
If your a child and don't know the difference between "your arsenal" and "your power" then this is hopeless.
Read the god damn thread and absorb the information , before you make a argument.. everything you posted is already countered by my post..
And yea... Shuriken is a tool..... Shinobi a living person.... Are you high or something, that you think living things are the same non-living things?
"Summoning" is a s/t technique for transportation if you didn't know that.
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Well then my apologies I was too lazy to see who actually wrote that and assumed it was you.
It makes no sense.
Oro, Kabuto Obito and Madara, all of them are stronger than Hashi in their prime, so no you're wrong.
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Did you even read the thread..? Cause you obviously automatically thought that this is a "Ant- summon" in VS threads.... when its not.
Slick.. i already answered this in my Man post..... Specific on which summons are your own power.. and which aren't.
Animal summoning:
"The contract comes in the form of a scroll, on which the contractor uses their own blood to sign their name and place their fingerprints and once signed it is valid even after the contractors death as long as the contract itself remains intact."
Animal summoning only occurs due to a contract between 2 living things. Since when is another living being considered part of your own power (unless it lives inside your own body)?
Summons that are your own power:
- Tools (Puppets/Scrolls/ Weapons)
- The Gashoumon gate summons (sorry if i misspelled it), or any sort of summons like that.
So why aren't Edo's considered as viable summons? Its called Summoning: Impure World Resurrection for a reason because its a summon.
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