Fanfiction debunks databook?

[XY iNVeRSe]

used right for genjutsu everytime

Used left for amaterasu.

^^^ fullfilled the reuiqrements.. no clue why you are trying to argue against that.

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you can't have 4 ms techs. Sasuke has amaterasu, kagutsuchi, susanoo. he hasn't displayed tsukuyomi. fail thread. good try tho.

 

[TrollingSage]

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you can't have 4 ms techs. Sasuke has amaterasu, kagutsuchi, susanoo. he hasn't displayed tsukuyomi. fail thread. good try tho.

Kagutsuchi is the ability to control amaterasu. It's not a separate ability.

 

[KisuneUchiha]

Sarcasm aside,every single MS has unique abilities.Claiming that Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu and only those two are required for Susanoo is saying every MS is the same as well.It's retarded logic.

Unless like it was stated in the manga, (Susanoo, Amaterasu, and Tsukuyomi) are all rare MS abilities that are rarely unlocked...

 

[Mad Daz]

Kagutsuchi is the ability to control amaterasu. It's not a separate ability.

False, it uses the opposite eye. It definitly is an ability of its own.

What evidence led you to think they are the same ability?

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Unless like it was stated in the manga, (Susanoo, Amaterasu, and Tsukuyomi) are all rare MS abilities that are rarely unlocked...

And what about Kamui,Kotoamatsukami and Enton then?If we are gonna follow the databook's logic then those MS abilities should not exist and only Amaterasu/Tsukiyomi/Susanoo do.I swear this is one debate I've grown tired of seeing....it's just like when some people are trying to argue that the earth is 3000 thousand years old and flat.

When others bring proof that it isn't then those people stubbornly cling to their outdated beliefs,the later are the ones who religously cling to the databook like it's gospel.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Kagutsuchi is the ability to control amaterasu. It's not a separate ability.

Sasuke uses his left eye for Enton so you're wrong on that one.

 

[chopstickchakra]

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you can't have 4 ms techs. Sasuke has amaterasu, kagutsuchi, susanoo. he hasn't displayed tsukuyomi. fail thread. good try tho.

First of all Enton and by extension Kagutsuchi is a Kekkei Genkai it is not an MS tech. Second, is it so hard to assume a technique is casted in one eye and controlled by the opposite? Sasuke casts Amaterasu with his left and manipulates via his right through his KKG not another MS ability, and Sasuke casts genjutsu in this case Tsukuyomi with his left and manipulates the genjutsu with his left eye. That sounds like a perfectly logical scenario in my book.

Also how about Itachi's eyes have the data for Tsukuyomi in them as the jutsu stem from the eyes themselves, Sasuke then puts Itachi's eyes with his to make his EMS therefore his eyes now have parts of Itachi in them which had the data to do Tsukuyomi. In what world does Sasuke not possess the ability to call Tsukuyomi out of the eyes Itachi gave him which house Tsukuyomi? I'm not asking that you admit he has it or has used it but please explain what prevents him, besides your feelings on the matter, from having access to it if the eyes in his head currently have the data for the jutsu in them? That's all I wanna know.

 

[ShinjuMadara]

He had Kamui

 

[Mad Daz]

First of all Enton and by extension Kagutsuchi is a Kekkei Genkai it is not an MS tech. Second, is it so hard to assume a technique is casted in one eye and controlled by the opposite? Sasuke casts Amaterasu with his left and manipulates via his right through his KKG not another MS ability, and Sasuke casts genjutsu in this case Tsukuyomi with his left and manipulates the genjutsu with his left eye. That sounds like a perfectly logical scenario in my book.

Also how about Itachi's eyes have the data for Tsukuyomi in them as the jutsu stem from the eyes themselves, Sasuke then puts Itachi's eyes with his to make his EMS therefore his eyes now have parts of Itachi in them which had the data to do Tsukuyomi. In what world does Sasuke not possess the ability to call Tsukuyomi out of the eyes Itachi gave him which house Tsukuyomi? I'm not asking that you admit he has it or has used it but please explain what prevents him, besides your feelings on the matter, from having access to it if the eyes in his head currently have the data for the jutsu in them? That's all I wanna know.

Kagutsuchi isnt an MS tech because its a kkg? Lol :vincent:

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

First of all Enton and by extension Kagutsuchi is a Kekkei Genkai it is not an MS tech. Second, is it so hard to assume a technique is casted in one eye and controlled by the opposite? Sasuke casts Amaterasu with his left and manipulates via his right through his KKG not another MS ability, and Sasuke casts genjutsu in this case Tsukuyomi with his left and manipulates the genjutsu with his left eye. That sounds like a perfectly logical scenario in my book.

Also how about Itachi's eyes have the data for Tsukuyomi in them as the jutsu stem from the eyes themselves, Sasuke then puts Itachi's eyes with his to make his EMS therefore his eyes now have parts of Itachi in them which had the data to do Tsukuyomi. In what world does Sasuke not possess the ability to call Tsukuyomi out of the eyes Itachi gave him which house Tsukuyomi? I'm not asking that you admit he has it or has used it but please explain what prevents him, besides your feelings on the matter, from having access to it if the eyes in his head currently have the data for the jutsu in them? That's all I wanna know.

Wow....what a epic brain fart.:|

 

[chopstickchakra]

Kagutsuchi isnt an MS tech because its a kkg? Lol :vincent:

Wow....what a epic brain fart.:|

You guys are all about proof show where it says Enton isn't a Kekkei Genkai unique to Sasuke Uchiha. Even if Sasuke had only unlocked Amaterasu he'd still be able to manipulate it because Enton is his KKG.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

Kagutsuchi is the ability to control amaterasu. It's not a separate ability.

but it comes from his right eye.. smh.

enlightened me. whats sasuke's 2nd ms ability after amaterasu and susanoo. bring proof btw,

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

You guys are all about proof show where it says Enton isn't a Kekkei Genkai unique to Sasuke Uchiha. Even if Sasuke had only unlocked Amaterasu he'd still be able to manipulate it because Enton is his KKG.

Are you actually serious:vincent:......the Sharingan can't copy KKG dummy!Nor can it have a technique that's a KKG because it and MS/EMS are KKGs.

Good lord your post reeks of idiocy...Enton isn't a KKG but Sasuke's second MS ability.I'll say it again:Sasuke's.Second.MS.Ability

 

[ShiroT]

Well considering the fact Tobirama and etc have already seen Amaterasu being used.. and the only 2 people with MS at that time that are shown were Izuna and Madara.. and Madara had Izuna's eyes... is it not logical he can use Amaterasu?

As for tsukuyomi, he already used it on Ay.

But here is the thing, databook states that person requires both.. you are saying "for all we know", meaning databook is not certain, and its up for debates for either side.

just because he doesnt use them, doesnt mean he doesnt have them

 

[chopstickchakra]

Are you actually serious:vincent:......the Sharingan can't copy KKG dummy!Nor can it have a technique that's a KKG because it and MS/EMS are KKGs.

Good lord your post reeks of idiocy...Enton isn't a KKG but Sasuke's second MS ability.I'll say it again:Sasuke's.Second.MS.Ability

Blaze Release (炎遁, Enton; Viz "Inferno Style") is an advanced chakra nature kekkei genkai of the Uchiha clan,

Classification Nature Icon Blaze Mangekyō Sharingan Itachi Kekkei Genkai, Ninjutsu, Dōjutsu
Type
Nature Icon Blaze Blaze Release
Class Offensive, Defensive

Where's your proof it isn't, and your opinion doesn't count. Also where does it say you can only have 1 KKG? Just because he has the Sharingan KKG doesn't mean he can't have the Enton KKG infact it makes it more likely he would if he has the Sharingan KKG.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Blaze Release (炎遁, Enton; Viz "Inferno Style") is an advanced chakra nature kekkei genkai of the Uchiha clan,

Classification Nature Icon Blaze Mangekyō Sharingan Itachi Kekkei Genkai, Ninjutsu, Dōjutsu
Type
Nature Icon Blaze Blaze Release
Class Offensive, Defensive

Where's your proof it isn't, and your opinion doesn't count. Also where does it say you can only have 1 KKG? Just because he has the Sharingan KKG doesn't mean he can't have the Enton KKG infact it makes it more likely he would if he has the Sharingan KKG.

It's a established fact that the Sharingan can't contain more than one KKG,and no I don't have to prove anything since you made such a ridiculus claim that's only backed up by one single sentence.Enton is a Nature Shape Manipulation Ability and that is all.

I guess Amaterasu is a KKG too since Enton is connected to it huh?Lol,you know what?I'll humor your argument for a sec....if Enton is a KKG then what does that prove exactly?Why even try to argue something that has no basis for it?

 

[chopstickchakra]

It's a established fact that the Sharingan can't contain more than one KKG,and no I don't have to prove anything since you made such a ridiculus claim that's only backed up by one single sentence.Enton is a Nature Shape Manipulation Ability and that is all.

I guess Amaterasu is a KKG too since Enton is connected to it huh?Lol,you know what?I'll humor your argument for a sec....if Enton is a KKG then what does that prove exactly?Why even try to argue something that has no basis for it?

It proves he still has an MS tech slot open which would counter the he can't possess Tsukuyomi argument. Which is in itself invalid because he possesses Itachi's eye which possesses Tsukuyomi so Tsukuyomi is in his body as of now, whether he can or chooses to use it is irrelevant to the fact that it exists in his body.

I didn't say the sharingan possesed the KKG the sharingan can't posses any KKG it IS a KKG. A human body can posses more than one KKG though and Sasuke could posses the KKG of Sharingan and the KKG Enton. There is nothing in the manga that says otherwise which is why you said you don't have to prove anything.

"I guess Amaterasu is a KKG too since Enton is connected to it huh" Amaterasu is the technique Enton is the KKG allowing Sasuke to manipulate it, Just like Tsukuyomi is the technique and the events inside the Tsuk. world can be manipulated by the caster. No other Uchiha manipulated his Amaterasu because they didn't have Enton.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

It proves he still has an MS tech slot open which would counter the he can't possess Tsukuyomi argument. Which is in itself invalid because he possesses Itachi's eye which possesses Tsukuyomi so Tsukuyomi is in his body as of now, whether he can or chooses to use it is irrelevant to the fact that it exists in his body.

I didn't say the sharingan possesed the KKG the sharingan can't posses any KKG it IS a KKG. A human body can posses more than one KKG though and Sasuke could posses the KKG of Sharingan and the KKG Enton. There is nothing in the manga that says otherwise which is why you said you don't have to prove anything.

"I guess Amaterasu is a KKG too since Enton is connected to it huh" Amaterasu is the technique Enton is the KKG allowing Sasuke to manipulate it, Just like Tsukuyomi is the technique and the events inside the Tsuk. world can be manipulated by the caster. No other Uchiha manipulated his Amaterasu because they didn't have Enton.

So that's it huh?The whole "Enton being a KKG" isn't a counter at all since Sasuke uses it with his left eye,his right eye uses Amaterasu and no MS has more than 3 techniques.

 

[chopstickchakra]

So that's it huh?The whole "Enton being a KKG" isn't a counter at all since Sasuke uses it with his left eye,his right eye uses Amaterasu and no MS has more than 3 techniques.

Right and seeing as Enton is classified as a KKG it's not one of Sasuke's 3 MS techs.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

So that's it huh?The whole "Enton being a KKG" isn't a counter at all since Sasuke uses it with his left eye,his right eye uses Amaterasu and no MS has more than 3 techniques.

you have the eyes mixed up i agree with almost everything else.

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