Fanfiction debunks databook?

[KingHashirama]

Madara doesn't have Amaterasu, and tuskuyomi.. but Itachi does. Even Itachi claimed Madara was the greatest Uchiha.

So the greatest Uchiha never unlocked Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi to get Susanoo? rofl what?

So apparently now whats int he databook, about requiring those 2 techs to unlock susanoo.. is debunked, by fan made theories.. that haven't been stated once in the manga.


So do "theories" aka fan fiction debunk things like Databook?

 

[Vapid]

*facepalm*

 

[Gagster]

MY Fanfics > Databooks.

Post a scan of Madara using either and I'll believe you.

 

[Erebus]

Are you assuming that Ameteratsu and Tsukiyomi are the 'greatest MS techs', for all we know he could have also had his own MS techs but neglected to use it

 

[The Necromancer]

It's all speculation until,

A. Obito or Shisui uses Susano'o or
B. Madara uses an MS specific tech other than Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi.

 

[chopstickchakra]

MY Fanfics > Databooks.

Post a scan of Madara using either and I'll believe you.

Listen to my man Rummy.

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[KingHashirama]

Are you assuming that Ameteratsu and Tsukiyomi are the 'greatest MS techs', for all we know he could have also had his own MS techs but neglected to use it

Well considering the fact Tobirama and etc have already seen Amaterasu being used.. and the only 2 people with MS at that time that are shown were Izuna and Madara.. and Madara had Izuna's eyes... is it not logical he can use Amaterasu?

As for tsukuyomi, he already used it on Ay.

But here is the thing, databook states that person requires both.. you are saying "for all we know", meaning databook is not certain, and its up for debates for either side.

 

[chopstickchakra]

It's all speculation until,

A. Obito or Shisui uses Susano'o or
B. Madara uses an MS specific tech other than Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi.

They gave Shisui a Susano'o in the new game which Kishi supposedly helped with but idk if I'd count that or not

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Nope,manga facts revealed after the databook debunks it.Madara does'nt have Amaterasu or Tsukiyomi nor are they needed to unlock Susanoo.

 

[The Necromancer]

They gave Shisui a Susano'o in the new game which Kishi supposedly helped with but idk if I'd count that or not

I would count that, but Kishi also personally developed Mecha Naruto and Mecha Kurama so...

Nope,manga facts revealed after the databook debunks it.Madara does'nt have Amaterasu or Tsukiyomi nor are they needed to unlock Susanoo.

Yes, that is still speculation.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Well considering the fact Tobirama and etc have already seen Amaterasu being used.. and the only 2 people with MS at that time that are shown were Izuna and Madara.. and Madara had Izuna's eyes... is it not logical he can use Amaterasu?

As for tsukuyomi, he already used it on Ay.

But here is the thing, databook states that person requires both.. you are saying "for all we know", meaning databook is not certain, and its up for debates for either side.

Madara did'nt use Tsukiyomi on Ay,and Tobirama could've seen another Uchiha use Amaterasu considering he fought them his entire life.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Nope,manga facts revealed after the databook debunks it.Madara does'nt have Amaterasu or Tsukiyomi nor are they needed to unlock Susanoo.

Just because he didn't use it doesn't mean he can't

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Also he can't do infinite TSUKUYOMI without TSUKUYOMI it's literally in the name. One means moon reader the other means infinite moon reader, it's the same jutsu just on a bigger scale.

 

[Slowpoke]

didn't Madara use Tsukuyomi on young Obito?

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[Shadow Phantasm]

I would count that, but Kishi also personally developed Mecha Naruto and Mecha Kurama so...



Yes, that is still speculation.

It's not speculation since Kishi has established that unlocking the unique MS powers in both eyes is required for awakening Susanoo back during the Kage Summit.

 

[The Necromancer]

It's not speculation since Kishi has established that unlocking the unique MS powers in both eyes is required for awakening Susanoo back during the Kage Summit.

Yes. And Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu are indeed 2 MS techs. Good work.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Just because he didn't use it doesn't mean he can't

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Also he can't do infinite TSUKUYOMI without TSUKUYOMI it's literally in the name. One means moon reader the other means infinite moon reader, it's the same jutsu just on a bigger scale.

IT is simply a power genjutsu way beyond what Tsukiyomi is capable of,that's why you need to be the Juubi Jin and have the Rinnegan to do it.


Also the logic of that first sentence can be used for anything in the manga.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Yes. And Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu are indeed 2 MS techs. Good work.

Sarcasm aside,every single MS has unique abilities.Claiming that Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu and only those two are required for Susanoo is saying every MS is the same as well.It's retarded logic.

 

[Lightbringer]

MY Fanfics > Databooks.

Post a scan of Madara using either and I'll believe you.

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

It hasn't been confirmed either way. So it's still possible that he could have those abilities.

Tobirama stated that he witnessed Amaterasu before, and the only known Uchiha with MS in his time were Madara and Izuna. So I think there's some inclination to Madara being able to use it.

 

[The Necromancer]

Sarcasm aside,every single MS has unique abilities.Claiming that Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu and only those two are required for Susanoo is saying every MS is the same as well.It's retarded logic.

That's why Obito stated it was rare to unlock it.

Literally everything you are saying has been debated countless times. Every single side of this argument is speculation until proven otherwise. This is pointless.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

It hasn't been confirmed either way. So it's still possible that he could have those abilities.

Tobirama stated that he witnessed Amaterasu before, and the only known Uchiha with MS in his time were Madara and Izuna. So I think there's some inclination to Madara being able to use it.

Or it could be another Uchiha,Tobirama lived way after Madara and Izuna unlocked their MS so that's more than likely.