Fanfiction debunks databook?

[Zorø]

Yhhh I agree......

 

[chopstickchakra]

dude drop it. Madara doesn't have those useless techs. he has better ones.

And those would be called..........? Right, you can't tell me because we don't know so you can't say what he has or doesn't.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

Your point? About either statement, Infinite Tsukuyomi requires the genjutsu Tsukuyomi or are you arguing with words and their definitions? It's not called Mugen Genjutsu or Mugen Kotoamatsukami it's named after a specific genjutsu technique, tsukuyomi why do people act like it's not their when it's right in fromt of them? That's like saying Hinata doesn't need gentle fist to do Lion palms.

Your argument is flawed. For one, Obito planned to initiate infinite Tsukiyomi without Madara. You might wana argue that Obito had Madara's eyes, but we have already seen when Madara used genjutsu on Ay that you have to revert the eye back to sharingan to cast a sharingan jutsu (Susano'o being the exception as it can be cast even without eyes), and Obito is unable to revert the implanted rinnegan, only Madara can, just like Kakashi can't turn his eye back to normal. Putting ALL that aside, we also saw in the manga that it is actually the shinju that casts infinite tsukiyomi when the flower at the top blooms. Even when Madara cast it, it was with the third eye (which only opens if you eat the shinju's fruit or if you absorb the shinju into yourself), in other words, Madara's MS had nothing to do with infinite tsukiyomi, your argument is wrong and invalid

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Well considering the fact Tobirama and etc have already seen Amaterasu being used.. and the only 2 people with MS at that time that are shown were Izuna and Madara.. and Madara had Izuna's eyes... is it not logical he can use Amaterasu?

As for tsukuyomi, he already used it on Ay.

But here is the thing, databook states that person requires both.. you are saying "for all we know", meaning databook is not certain, and its up for debates for either side.

Madara doesn't know amaterasu. He never used tsukoyomi on a Ay. Do you have scans?

 

[Xāvî1]

Madara doesn't have Amaterasu, and tuskuyomi.. but Itachi does. Even Itachi claimed Madara was the greatest Uchiha.

So the greatest Uchiha never unlocked Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi to get Susanoo? rofl what?

So apparently now whats int he databook, about requiring those 2 techs to unlock susanoo.. is debunked, by fan made theories.. that haven't been stated once in the manga.


So do "theories" aka fan fiction debunk things like Databook?

He has tsukuyomi level genjutsu not sure about the amaterasu

 

[Joshutsu]

People always trying to disprove the databook with their own things. So stupid to think they can unless the manga itself provides another means especially in a case like this. They are just Salty

 

[chopstickchakra]

Your argument is flawed. For one, Obito planned to initiate infinite Tsukiyomi without Madara. You might wana argue that Obito had Madara's eyes, but we have already seen when Madara used genjutsu on Ay that you have to revert the eye back to sharingan to cast a sharingan jutsu (Susano'o being the exception as it can be cast even without eyes), and Obito is unable to revert the implanted rinnegan, only Madara can, just like Kakashi can't turn his eye back to normal. Putting ALL that aside, we also saw in the manga that it is actually the shinju that casts infinite tsukiyomi when the flower at the top blooms. Even when Madara cast it, it was with the third eye (which only opens if you eat the shinju's fruit or if you absorb the shinju into yourself), in other words, Madara's MS had nothing to do with infinite tsukiyomi, your argument is wrong and invalid

Kakashi had no Uchiha DNA which is why he couldn't turn his Sharingan on and off, Obito had Uchiha and Senju DNA the pre-reqs. for Rinnegan why wouldn't he have been able to turn it off? Why would he have wanted/needed to in the manga to show us he could?(So don't bother with well he never turned it off so he can't).

Putting ALL that aside, my argument(If you actually processed it), that Madara's MS tech's are unknown and to say he doesn't have Ama. or Tsuk. is unjustifiable, is valid and correct. Until Madara shows us an MS tech with a name nobody can claim he does or doesn't have it. I've been saying this entire time there's no need to rule them out of possibility just because Susano'o only needs two MS, Madara has Susano'o and two unnamed MS techs, he could have Ama and Tsuk. the people saying he absolutely doesn't live in an extremist view where something is either right(aka their opinion) or wrong(aka anyone else's opinion which is different)

 

[Gary777]

may be the people who have straight comma sharingan can only awake susanoo ... others cant

 

[Mad Daz]

Prove he doesn't. We can do this merry go round all day but I call dibs on the unicorn.

Im not the one who needs to prove he doesnt. You are saying he has ameratsu and tsukuyomi, yet he has never shown tsukuyomi. He has shown that his left eye has Kagutsuchi though. Burden of proof is on u

 

[LustyLover]

Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu aren't required in order to unlock Susano'o; Itachi said he simply awoke Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi in addition to the Susano'o. He never said the two were necessary in order to unlock the Susano'o. It's like saying Madara has Kamui or Kotoamatsukami; these are unique dojutsu that pertain specifically to the individual who unlocked it, and Madara never unlocked it.

 

[KingHashirama]

"Heaven and eart" need to work together for one to attain Susanoo. That isn't talking about Itachi's susanoo, but Susanoo in general.

- Sasuke has used Tsukuyomi against Danzo and killer B
- He used Amaterasu on Killer B
- Used Susanoo after showing both Amaterasu and Genjutsu with his MS.

- Madara used Genjutsu with his ems on Ay, and possesses something surpassing Itachi's tsukuyomi... aka Infinte Tsukuyomi.
- used Susanoo
- Only thing he hasn't shown the usage of his Amaterasu. << Not sure why.

MS Sasuke doesn't have tsukuyomi, yet how is it that he can use susanoo?

Also, do you think obito isn't going to also use his own version of susanoo now that he has two eyes?

But he does has tsukuyomi.

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[TrollingSage]

Im not the one who needs to prove he doesnt. You are saying he has ameratsu and tsukuyomi, yet he has never shown tsukuyomi. He has shown that his left eye has Kagutsuchi though. Burden of proof is on u

Yea so Sasuke's second ms ability is the ability to control the first MS ability? Yea ok.

 

[KingHashirama]

Let me enlighten the events of Sasuke that led to Susasnoo.

First he uses MS Genjutsu (only MS genjutsu known at the time was Tsukuyomi) with his right eye.

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Second he uses Amaterasu with his left.

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Third, uses Susanoo with both eyes:

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[LustyLover]

Let me enlighten the events of Sasuke that led to Susasnoo.

First he uses MS Genjutsu (only MS genjutsu known at the time was Tsukuyomi) with his right eye.

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Second he uses Amaterasu with his left.

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Third, uses Susanoo with both eyes:

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It was never stated to be Tsukuyomi though, was it?

 

[KingHashirama]

It was never stated to be Tsukuyomi though, was it?

Is it stated NAruto uses rasengan? no. If you already know the genjutsu from the MS.. why are questioning it?

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

Is it stated NAruto uses rasengan? no. If you already know the genjutsu from the MS.. why are questioning it?

but every time tsukuyomi is used, its captioned as "tsukuyomi!!" not, genjutsu:sharingan, in which sasuke's cast, happens almost every time. dude, he doesn't have tsukuyomi, stop trying to beef up the sasukebase

 

[Black Wolf]

The obvious answer to this thread is that Kishimoto wrote the databook back when Itachi was the only Mangekyo user that had Susano'o, and the databook entry applied only to him. So yeah, in Itachi's case, he had to awaken Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi (the power of each of his eyes) before being able to use Susano'o.

 

[KingHashirama]

but every time tsukuyomi is used, its captioned as "tsukuyomi!!" not, genjutsu:sharingan, in which sasuke's cast, happens almost every time. dude, he doesn't have tsukuyomi, stop trying to beef up the sasukebase

Sadly, that only happened one in sasuke's case... and it was noted that time.. it never ahppened before anytime he used it =]

Not trying to beef up Sasuke base.. he does have it.. simply not as strong as Itachi's.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

Sadly, that only happened one in sasuke's case... and it was noted that time.. it never ahppened before anytime he used it =]

Not trying to beef up Sasuke base.. he does have it.. simply not as strong as Itachi's.

no he doesn't. until a scan shows that he's using tsukuyomi. just like it shows us when he uses, genjutsu:sharingan , amaterasu, enton. etc.

unless you want to give madara kaguya's dimension changing technique.

 

[KingHashirama]

no he doesn't. until a scan shows that he's using tsukuyomi. just like it shows us when he uses, genjutsu:sharingan , amaterasu, enton. etc.

unless you want to give madara kaguya's dimension changing technique.

used right for genjutsu everytime

Used left for amaterasu.

^^^ fullfilled the reuiqrements.. no clue why you are trying to argue against that.