Fanfiction debunks databook?

[Shadow Phantasm]

That's why Obito stated it was rare to unlock it.

Literally everything you are saying has been debated countless times. Every single side of this argument is speculation until proven otherwise. This is pointless.

And yet threads like this one crop up that try to rely on outdated info that isn't reliable at this time.

 

[The Necromancer]

And yet threads like this one crop up that try to rely on outdated info that isn't reliable at this time.

Reliable enough to still be evenly debated. Yet you seem to believe your side to be absolute fact.

 

[Lightbringer]

Or it could be another Uchiha,Tobirama lived way after Madara and Izuna unlocked their MS so that's more than likely.

I think there's more possibility of Madara or Izuna having it over some random Uchiha never mentioned. MS is a rare thing. Not all Uchiha even awaken their base sharingan, let alone MS.

Tobirama still died young, so he didn't get to see a whole lot afterwards.

 

[chopstickchakra]

IT is simply a power genjutsu way beyond what Tsukiyomi is capable of,that's why you need to be the Juubi Jin and have the Rinnegan to do it.


Also the logic of that first sentence can be used for anything in the manga.

Your point? About either statement, Infinite Tsukuyomi requires the genjutsu Tsukuyomi or are you arguing with words and their definitions? It's not called Mugen Genjutsu or Mugen Kotoamatsukami it's named after a specific genjutsu technique, tsukuyomi why do people act like it's not their when it's right in fromt of them? That's like saying Hinata doesn't need gentle fist to do Lion palms.

 

[BLAZE]

Databook is outdated.
And Sasuke has amaterasu and Kagatsuchi so but has also Tsukuyomi type genjutsu on 2 seprate occasion.
lolz the whole manga and its logic is facepalm

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Reliable enough to still be evenly debated. Yet you seem to believe your side to be absolute fact.

Not really,I just find it incredulus to rely on outdated information when Kishi has already made a update of "unlocking the Double Mangekyo awakens the third power...Susnanoo" and yet people try to argue otherwise.

It's like trying to use a 100 year old history book to try to argue historical facts regarding the current century when that data is way past reliability.

The databook info is the same since things have changed way after it's release.Relying on it for up to date facts is just stupid.

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

There have been more than enough panel time for madara to show them if he had them, if you still expect madara to just bust out amaterasu in some future chapter then I don't know what to say

 

[chopstickchakra]

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

It hasn't been confirmed either way. So it's still possible that he could have those abilities.

Tobirama stated that he witnessed Amaterasu before, and the only known Uchiha with MS in his time were Madara and Izuna. So I think there's some inclination to Madara being able to use it.

Even if Madara didn't initially have it and it was Izuna Tobirama saw Madara still ends up with it when he gets Izuna's eyes.

And if you gonna quote Rummy you better give him his credit or Ed the Third's gonna come lookin for you.

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[Shadow Phantasm]

Your point? About either statement, Infinite Tsukuyomi requires the genjutsu Tsukuyomi or are you arguing with words and their definitions? It's not called Mugen Genjutsu or Mugen Kotoamatsukami it's named after a specific genjutsu technique, tsukuyomi why do people act like it's not their when it's right in fromt of them? That's like saying Hinata doesn't need gentle fist to do Lion palms.

Does IT have anything to do with the regular one?Hell the mechanics are different in terms of how both are executed and the type of genjutsu involved.

The only thing the two have in common is the name.Saying the two are the same is like saying Kiba can shoot a red/black energy wave just because one of his attacks has the same name as Ichigo's signature technique.

 

[chopstickchakra]

And yet threads like this one crop up that try to rely on outdated info that isn't reliable at this time.

reliable in comparison to....your opinion?

 

[chopstickchakra]

Does IT have anything to do the regular one?Hell the mechanics are different in terms of how both are executed and the type of genjutsu involve.

The only thing the two have in common is the name.

That's all they need in common, If Naruto does Rasengan and Odama Rasengan are they not the same jutsu? I'm done here, you're never gonna accept the English looking you right in the face Infiite Tsukuyomi contains the genjutsu technique Tsukuyomi in it, to think any different is either arrogance or ignorance, your choice, either way I'm done holding your hand down this explanation highway.

 

[BLAZE]

That's all they need in common, If Naruto does Rasengan and Odama Rasengan are they not the same jutsu? I'm done here, you're never gonna accept the English looking you right in the face Infiite Tsukuyomi contains the genjutsu technique Tsukuyomi in it, to think any different is either arrogance or ignorance, your choice, either way I'm done holding your hand down this explanation highway.

Infinite tsukuyomi means Eye of the moon plan.
it has nothing to do with tsukuyomi

 

[BLAZE]

The databook said Itachi was invincible and Hiruzen was the God of Shinobi,only idiots will take what the databook says like it's holy scripture.

Lololololol.
+rep eagle

 

[Made in Heaven]

I think he had both of them

 

[Mad Daz]

Well its not like sasuke has tsukuomi, and he has susanoo. Pretty solid evidence right here. Also the fact that he uses ameratsu with one eye, and kagutsuchi(flame control) with the other.

 

[V h o]

I've been saying this all along. Kitchen sage mode sakura solos narutoverse with oven release.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Madara doesn't have Amaterasu, and tuskuyomi.. but Itachi does. Even Itachi claimed Madara was the greatest Uchiha.

So the greatest Uchiha never unlocked Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi to get Susanoo? rofl what?

So apparently now whats int he databook, about requiring those 2 techs to unlock susanoo.. is debunked, by fan made theories.. that haven't been stated once in the manga.

It isn't necessarily debunked. Tobirama stated the first time he saw Sasuke's Kagutsuchi that he had "never seen such a powerful kagutsuchi," basically revealing that someone else before Sasuke and Itachi possessed Kagutsuchi and thus Amaterasu. Possibly either Tajima, Madara, Izuna or Kagami. Both Itachi and Sasuke also called susano'o, "the third power."

 

[chopstickchakra]

Infinite tsukuyomi means Eye of the moon plan.
it has nothing to do with tsukuyomi

Too bad none of them will understand that fact.

Eye of the moon plan is Tsuki no Me Keikaku in Japanese.

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Infinite Tsukuyomi is Mugen Tsukuyomi and is "a technique which is key to the Eye of the moon plan"

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Mugen Tsukuyomi translates in English to Infinite Moon reader

Tsukuyomi in English is Moon reader

I suggest you both buy some dictionaries or pay for some after school English lessons.

Lol,I suggest you stop acting butthurt just because I don't agree with you.Like I said in the updated reply,by your logic Kiba can fire red and black energy blasts since he has a jutsu that shares the same name as Ichigo's signature technique.Do you see how retarded it sounds to suggest that two techniques are the same just because they share a name yet???

Except that's a cross series analogy why don't you address the example I provided of Rasengan and Odama Rasengan or at least try and find an example from the same manga.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

unless sasuke has 4 ms techs. this thread is a fail, and madara doesn't have amaterasu or tsukuyomi as ms techs. until proven

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[KingHashirama]

Not really,I just find it incredulus to rely on outdated information when Kishi has already made a update of "unlocking the Double Mangekyo awakens the third power...Susnanoo" and yet people try to argue otherwise.

It's like trying to use a 100 year old history book to try to argue historical facts regarding the current century when that data is way past reliability.

The databook info is the same since things have changed way after it's release.Relying on it for up to date facts is just stupid.

So how does info written by the author become outdated?

unless sasuke has 4 ms techs. this thread is a fail, and madara doesn't have amaterasu or tsukuyomi as ms techs. until proven

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Hopefully you have the brain to realize.. Kagutsuchi is not a seperate ability like Tsukuyomi.... It is the ability to control Amaterasu....Sasuke used tsukuyomi on Danzo anyway.

Kagutsuchi = amaterasu technique. <<< there is no kagutsuchi without amaterasu

However, Tsukuyomi doesn't need amaterasu.