[CC] Falcon takes flight again

[Xylon]

It depends: If i am ranked Dragon Ninja, and someone of higher rank targets me with a genjutsu. The result would be same as my first answer.
At any rank below that, i would not be able to know tell their chakra inside me. However, the genjutsu would still affect my spirutuality and that is part of my existance, so i could tell i am possibly under an illusion. I just would not be able to detect their chakra.

 

[Reborn]

Regardless of the rank of the user's rank within the clan your awareness of yourself and your being supersedes another Hayabusa's Wujin ability. If somebody puts their chakra inside of you, that chakra is integrated into your being and thus you are aware that chakra is affecting you and you are aware it affects your spirituality.

I, as a master ninja could cast a genjutsu on a genin and that genin would know about it.

 

[Xylon]

Noted o-o

 

[Reborn]

Alright so we've hit Wujin, Taijin, and Spirituality. Do you have any lingering questions in regard to those abilities? Or any of the fundamental concepts of the Dantian, and the clan's basic capabilities?

 

[Xylon]

You've pretty much covered all possible scenarios. Rank restrictions related to Wujin are the only thing i don't fully grasp, i keep looking back at the description for it.

 

[Reborn]

Now then from this point onward you will be RPing as Mugetsu and I will act as your older brother Hayate teaching you techniques until you defect like the little bit- I said I was going to be nicer...

This is transpiring about a year after Shunden's death so you should be 11.

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Hayate sat cross legged, leaning his face in his left fist in the center of the dojo floor behind the Castle of the Dragon. He tapped his fingers on his right knee impatiently with an irritated expression on his face. "That little..." Hayate began. Before he could finish that entire thought he could hear frantic footsteps outside the dojo hall running toward the entrance. Hayate took out two kunai upon hearing the foot steps and he planted them in the floor of the dojo.

As the footsteps came to the entrance they quickly stopped and a small shadow appeared outside the door way. The shadow did nothing for a moment until Hayate's voice cut through the silence "Get over here!"

#WrongNinjaWongFranchise

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(Neidan: Wuji Dao) Internal Alchemy: Way of Nothingness
Type: Supplementary
Rank: D - S
Range: Short - Long
Chakra Cost: 10 - 70
Damage: N/A
Description: This is one of the fundamental Neidan techniques within the Hayabusa clan and the first one learned. This technique returns existence to nothingness/erases from existence. Using one of the three Dantian Hayabusa ninja render existence to nothingness. Depending on the Dantian that is used the user can manipulate physical, vital, or spiritual existence. Regardless of which application is used there are two components that can be utilized: internal or external. These two components describe the technique’s application to one’s self and outside themselves respectively. A Hayabusa ninja who utilizes the internal component with this technique manipulates their own physical, vital, and/or spiritual existence. One who utilizes external component does the same but with any entity other than themselves. Only one of the components can be used for any given application of this technique. As for the applications, only one can be used at a given time. Upon reaching higher jounin ranks (Dragon/Head Ninja and Master Ninja), Hayabusa ninja can utilize all three of the Dantian simultaneously to completely erase their own existence (internal) or that of another entity (external). When erasing one’s own existence with this technique the user can only maintain a state of non-existence for no more than one turn with and must re-appear within 10 meters of their original point. Once the user has gone to nothingness they cannot use any techniques until after they return to reality. Through the external component the user can erase the existence of another life such as summons or other shinobi though it requires prolonged contact with the target (3 turns). After contact is made the victim will begin to vanish from the ground up.

Lower Dantian: The Lower Dantian deals with physical existence. Entities such as solids and liquids, physical entities, and corporeal matter are within this Dantian’s scope. When using the internal component of this application the user is capable of erasing parts of their body as small as: bits of flesh and bone to whole limbs, organs, etc. This ability extends to physical afflictions such as poisons, toxins, pathogens and generally any other thing that integrates itself within the user’s physical being. When using this technique on the body to take off flesh and bone the user will feel as though their flesh and bone have been ripped apart and their body will suffer accordingly. For example: if the user erases their right index finger, they will feel their finger ripped off their body and will bleed profusely until stopped. The external component of this technique takes the form of transparent visual distortions similar in nature and appearance to the voids of kamui though with the ability to vary in shape and size. The shape and size are dependent on the rank of the technique. As well as the amount of matter in which one can erase is also dependent on the rank. Lower ranks means smaller areas of effect and less matter that can be erased. This technique has the ability to combat against techniques of equivalent rank or chakra input. With the external component, if anybody other than the user makes contact with the technique, they will suffer just as the user would if they used the internal component of this application. The external component of this application can be made within short range of the user but not the target unless both parties are in close range. Even then, the user cannot manifest this technique directly on their opponent without physical contact

Explain this portion of the technique first and foremost.

 

[Xylon]

Mugetsu peeks through the entrance first and then walks in and bows
i apologize for the delay!!

Mugetsu takes a brief moment to catch his breath
Way of Nothingness is one of the oldest and most significant Neidan techniques. It involves manipulation of the 3 dantians, each of which respond to physical form, life spirit, and spiritual energy respectively. Each dantian has an internal and external component where internal component usually comes off easier to us. Primarily because of the piece of Wadatsukami inside of us, whose energy also acts as a third component for our chakra. Because our bodies, spirit and life force are naturally aligned to the practice of wujin. More skilled Hayabusa can manipulate multiple dantian at a time.
Lower Dantian responds to physical form. It involves every physical part of our being even malicious elements inside our body. The ability can be focused externally via physical contact.

 

[Reborn]

"Be quiet!" Hayate shouted just after his brother apologized. Hayate pointed to the two kunai he planted, "Hand stand, now!"

"I don't care why you're late, there is no excuse at your age." Hayate scolded.

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Lets dissect this technique

"Entities such as solids and liquids, physical entities, and corporeal matter are within this Dantian’s scope."

Objects like weapons, solid and liquid elements like earth release, water release, Wood Release, variants of those techniques, etc.​

"This ability extends to physical afflictions such as poisons, toxins, pathogens and generally any other thing that integrates itself within the user’s physical being."

If poison and other biological pathogens enter the body you can remove those entities specifically and not just entities of the body around them. Medical shinobi and puppet using poison can be countered with this technique.​

"The external component of this technique takes the form of transparent visual distortions similar in nature and appearance to the voids of kamui though with the ability to vary in shape and size. The shape and size are dependent on the rank of the technique."

shapes: swords, spears, balls, animals, etc. If you think of this technique as: Like Rasengan you have a single shape and there is sporadic chakra spiraling all inside it, our technique works in a similar fashion. Think of the shape and the center of that point is the point where the void is converging/collapsing (like kamui) within that defined shape.​

"This technique has the ability to combat against techniques of equivalent rank or chakra input."

Look at the chakra before anything else. This technique follows ordinary rank progression 10 (D), 15 (C), 20 (B), 30 (A), 40 (S). You do not get to arbitrarily get to choose your chakra amount.​

Let's look at the restrictions

Note: This technique is learned at genin level and follows similar rules for each rank. Genin can only use D-rank applications, chunin = C-rank, jounin = B-rank (upper) A-rank (lower and middle), Dragon/Head Ninja = A-rank (upper) S-rank (lower and middle), Master Ninja = All ranks.
Note: Genin and Chunin are required to use 5 to 3 hand seals respectively for any application’s external component. Jounin require one hand seal, Dragon/Head, and Master Ninja can use up to B-rank with no hand seals. Contact between user and opponent requires no hand seals.
Note: When using the external component of the Upper Dantian, using the A-ranked and above will render an opponent comatose after two turns. C and B-ranks will simply render one unconscious after 4 turns. Each turn of maintaining drains half the original chakra cost. While maintaining no other application of this technique can be used.
Note: Upper Dantian usages, regardless of the component can only be used once every other turn. A-ranked and above usage requires a two turn cool down.
Note: S-rank applications of this technique requires a one turn cool down for the Middle and Lower Dantian.
Note: To erase completely the existence of oneself or of another the user must use 70 chakra. Unlike the external component where it takes three turns to erase another, the internal component is instantaneous in its nature due to a lack of resistance from the user applying it to themselves. Upon using this advanced application either internally or externally the user will be unable to use any Neidan technique for the next two turns. Dragon Ninja and Head Ninja can use this application twice per battle and Master Ninja 3 times per battle

I highlighted something, find the Ester egg.

 

[Xylon]

Mugetsu sighs and performs a hand stand

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Internal component requires no hand seals. Im a bloody genius

 

[Reborn]

Mugetsu sighs and performs a hand stand

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Internal component requires no hand seals. Im a bloody genius

boy shut up, I told you that in the chat.

Questions:

Would you be capable of removing poisons and toxins from another through the use of this application?

If the external component of this application is used and the user makes contact with it, does it affect them?

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Hayate took out two more kunai, "These are going to your abdomen, defend yourself." Hayate's brief warning was followed by him throwing the two kunai directly at Mugetsu's stomach.

 

[Xylon]

Mugetsu notices Hayate launched the kunai towards him. His hands are tied to the ground, the only viable movements are above or below both of which would expose Mugetsu's vitals. For a brief moment instincts take over as Mugetsu's eyes turn to a fiery golden, ripples in space open near his abdominal area (away from his body) that erases both the kunai from existence as they come in close proximity to it.

O____O

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Would you be capable of removing poisons and toxins from another through the use of this application?
I don't believe so. Assuming it were possible at all, in order to pull that off we would need to know where exactly the poison is. Taijin allows us to be aware of ourselves but the same isnt true for our opponents. So even if it were possible, lack of accurate knowledge would make it difficult.

If the external component of this application is used and the user makes contact with it, does it affect them?
External component of lower dantian cannot be used without physical contact to begin with. It would not affect the user

 

[Reborn]

Well gee I hope you wouldn't be removing anything harmful from your opponents. That would be stupid. But, you know, in the event you're with a comrade or something that would be useful. Nevertheless you are correct, this is not usable on others to the same level of precision as us. We wouldn't be able to remove biological poisons or toxins from another's body outside of our clan. I'd care enough to make the wager that we could with other members of our clan since Taijin does expand to others in our clan.

It can be used without physical contact hence why the following is included:

"The external component of this application can be made within short range of the user but not the target unless both parties are in close range. Even then, the user cannot manifest this technique directly on their opponent without physical contact."

In other words I could create a ball of nothingness 10 meters from me and anything that touches it disappears (provided it is a physical entity). You, the user, do not need to make contact with your externally created constructs. However, if you do make contact they do not affect you as per the following:

"With the external component, if anybody other than the user makes contact with the technique"

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"Impressive, you isolated it around your stomach instead of your whole body. Your control has gotten better." Hayate praised his younger brother. Hayate smirked a bit before erasing the two kunai that Mugetsu was using to balance on from existence. The sudden absence of the two links would cause Mugetsu to tip over and fall off balance.

"Why were you late this morning Mugetsu?" Hayate asked sternly.

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Let's say you create a sphere with the external component. The space within that sphere becomes a void that leads to non-existence. Is that space static or dynamic? In other words when you create that sphere is it unable to be moved from that one place once created or can you move it (say you toss it) and whatever makes contact with that sphere enters nothingness?

 

[Xylon]

gotcha

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oww.....
Mugetsu sits up
Kaguya needed my help

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Wuji Dao is a Short-Long range ability. The definitions of all components talks about uses and creations of Wuji in short range. But there is a reason Long range is there, to me that suggest that i can throw my constructs. I may be wrong

 

[Reborn]

correct, this technique is by no means static. The external component creates constructs in one location and are capable of being moved from position x to positions y. The external component of this technique creates a void of nothingness and anything in contact with that area collapses into nothingness. Only when that construct is moved or disapates can there exist entities. This goes for all three of the applications.

Example: Let's say you were to move after you created that guard on your character's abdomen. That construct would move with you. If you created a makeshift Rasengan or shot a sphere of nothingness at your opponent, that would suffice as well.

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Hayate sighed as he shook his head, "That woman babies you too much. I'm going to have a talk with her." Hayate returned a stern look to his younger brother. "She won't be an excuse next time. You're an heir to the clan, your duties to your training come first. If she pulls you aside again when you know you have to be somewhere else let her know...politely of course."

After he lectured his brother Hayate smiled. He placed his hand on Mugetsu's head and playfully ruffled his hair. "Think you're good enough to go a round Wuji Kumite with your older brother?"

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Another scenario occurred to me in the case of Hayabusa v. Hayabusa.

What if two applications of the external component from two different Hayabusa make contact with one another? Would you expect a paradox or the common rules for jutsu interaction?

 

[Xylon]

Mugetsu looks up and smirks
You'll let me go to the festival in Hanabi village if i land a hit?

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Thats tricky. imo common rules of interactions don't apply. That would mean, assuming all things constant, techniques of equal rank and chakra output would cancel out. For nothingness to cancel out by nothingness makes little sense to me. The voids would merge (and pool the strength of both), the user with the technique of greater rank or chakra output would assume control of the void. If all of that is constant, rank of the user would decide who retains the void.

 

[Reborn]

Nope, common rules of jutsu interaction would apply. The stronger of the two would win, albeit weakened.

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"We'll see," Hayate said as he got into a fighting stance. Just before the two of them began, however, there was a knock at the front of the dojo.

"Hayate-sama," An elderly voice called to the young shinobi from outside the hallway.

Hayate fixed his posture, "Enter." Hayate ordered.

An elderly man opened the door, bowing respectfully. Hayate placed his hand on Mugetsu's head and forced him to bow with him at to the elder. "What may I do for you elder?"

"There has been an incident near the Hanabi village...it involves the Black Spider Clan."

Hayate's expression became more serious, "I understand, I'll take care of it." Hayate turned to Mugetsu, "I'll have one of the jounin see to the rest of your training for today. In the mean time read the scrolls about using the middle dantian."

Hayate left with the elder after his final words to Mugetsu.

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Middle Dantian: The Middle Dantian deals with vital existence; the existence of energy. Non-solid/liquid entities like plasmas, fire, lightning, raw chakra forms, and otherwise ethereal entities fall within this Dantian’s scope. The internal component of this application is rather simple, the user erases chakra/energy that exists within them either their own or that of another’s that is connected to the user. The amount of chakra the user can erase is proportional to the rank they use for this application. As for the external component, similar to the Lower Dantian, voids of various shapes are created which erase the chakra/energy, ethereal, and/or vital nature of entities. Again, like with the Lower Dantian, the user cannot directly manifest a chakra erasing void upon their opponents; contact with the void or between the user and the target must be established to directly affect the target.

Describe the this application.

 

[Xylon]

Ah. Is that for simplification?

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Mugetsu reads Hayate's expression as they change and nods.
Be safe, brother.

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Middle dantian reacts to energies. Unlike physical objects energies are intangible and middle dantian deal with intangibles, including plasma (despite its state as matter). Same as lower dantian, there are internal and external components, where internal is comparatively easier to perform. Voids can be created at close range but not directly over the opponent unless physical contact is established.
Depending on the rank. Should the opponent come in contact with a middle dantian void. Entirety or a considerable portion of his chakra would be erased. Like lower dantian, you could launch a void towards the opponent, so long it created at close range to the user.

 

[Reborn]

Good,

Now, let us say there are two Hayabusa; one uses the external component of the lower dantian and the other uses the external component of the middle dantian. What happens if those two applications make contact with each other?

Let's say that an earth bullet is shot toward you and you used the middle application of this technique. Will it affect the physical earth bullet? If so how?

If somebody casts genjutsu on you and you use this technique to erase the chakra from the genjutsu, would you be erasing x amount of your chakra or the chakra from the genjutsu that was injected into you?

Example

You = 100 chakra
Use 30 chakra to erase A-rank genjutsu
Total Remaining = 70 (your remaining chakra after using the technique)

or

You = 100 chakra
Use 30 chakra to erase A-rank chakra
Total Remaining = 40 (-30 from the use of the jutsu and you are erasing 30 of your chakra which erases the genjutsu)

This may be a stupid question but I want to cover my bases to make sure people understand how this works.

 

[Xylon]

Void is composed of chakra, at least somewhat. I would say Middle Dantian attack would erase Lower Dantian.

Yes it would. Chances are the earth bullet has traces of chakra in it, the application would remove that. So while it might not erase the physical earth bullet, lets assume someone has the technique to make the bullet blow using a single hand seal at any point after launch. The person would be rendered incapable of doing that.

I would be erasing chakra of the genjutsu, i can selectively do that.

You = 100 chakra
Use 30 chakra to erase A-rank genjutsu
Total Remaining = 70 (your remaining chakra after using the technique)

^ The above scenario would apply
(Now that youve said that, im afraid my answer might be stupid >.> )

 

[Reborn]

Sound logic but the only one that's completely correct and unambiguous is the last answer. With a genjutsu technique you're erasing the foreign entity that has invaded your body. At the point of your opponent's casting of the technique, their chakra is now inside you, thus you're erasing that specific segment of chakra and nothing else.

As for the first answer, I understand the logic; both voids are comprised of chakra and the middle dantian erases chakra. However I'd go the route of each Dantian not affecting one another due to the nature of each dealing with a different plain. The chakra of the lower dantian is purely physical, the chakra of the middle dantian is purely vital, and the upper is purely spiritual. The physical energy created by the lower would not be affected by the vital energy of the middle just as the middle wouldn't be affected by the lower. If you are to think of this another way; both external components create a physical void in reality that are interacted with. Because of this, even the middle dantian's application would be subject to the lower dantian's application and the lower dantian would erase the manifestation of the middle dantian's void and the middle would erase the lower dantian's energy. That being said each of the three applications do not affect each other in my book as they are all creations from sources that cannot interact with each other on their own. Another way to think of it is: the energy from each of the three dragons, which the dantian are comprised of, possess distinct plains of interaction and are separate form one another until unified.

So the short answer to the first question I proposed would be: both applications would pass through each other without being inhibited or stopped. There would be no actual interaction between them.

For your second answer, again, sound logic but this is something that is debatable. Originally I made the technique just as you described, able to take the chakra away from constructs even if they were physical in nature. However, I am not entirely sure that the rest of the mods and the community would be willing to accept that. If we're being 100% regarding the technique's capability, you are correct. When an application of the middle dantian makes contact with physical constructs that possess chakra, the chakra would be drained from it. However, if we're playing safe, it would not. I would say you're welcome to try the former in a fight, as long as you understand what the limitations are in regard to what draining the chakra from a physical entity would employ.

The example you gave is a good one. However, do not assume that by draining the chakra from something like swamp of the underworld would erase the actual technique. In a case like that the chakra that drains your energy, according to the swamp's description, would be erased. However, the previously specified depth of the swamp and your sinking would not change through the use of this technique.