facts about minato & tobi's fight

[Rasenloki]

I think its odd no one has pointed out that with the logic of the OP that Tobi commits suicide, because I'm pretty sure Naruto will be his downfall and likely kill him, and since Tobi cause and effected Minato into sealing the kyubi into Naruto... I think you see where this is going.

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Originally Posted by Memoria
Really no point arguing with you, I've met many like you and I've learnt to stop arguing if the other side won't understand my point.

You're a clueless yet a stubborn one, if you want to understand my point then read my earlier posts. (which I doubt you would do)
i read them and all you did was repeat what i already gave minato his credit on. i am however going to say the guy who's wife died and forced to commit suicide (it was a choice because of the situation he was forced into by tobi's actions) can never claim victory. No one ever doubted that minato was able to save the day, but he lost more than tobi did in that encounter. yet you are still trying to give minato the win when he died and family became broken? lol i don't get that? yes he stopped tobi's plan i never said he did not, sure he is skilled. but tobi is alive for the moment and minato is long gone.

You could say minato giving the biju to naruto is minato being the catalyst (that word means the base for everything that is built or derives from the source) for tobi's downfall, provided naruto is the one to kill tobi in the end (i am sure he will be). It's like you guys want to make me seem like i am bashing minato when all i did was put in perspective who lost more that night. I can care less why minato killed himself the point is he was put into a situation where someone made the great fourth hokage take his own life in battle.

I have already said all of these things stop posting things i already covered, like i said minato lost more than tobi lost that night. therefore in my opinion the guy who walks away from it or runs away lives to fight another day. MINATO WAS FORCED TO TAKE HIS LIFE! AND THERE IS NO EVIDNCE TO SAY KUSHINA WOULD OF LIVED. TOBI SIMPLY SAID SHE CAN LAST LONGER BECAUSE SHE'S A UZAMAKI, IT WAS NEVER STATED SHE WOULD BE OK AND ALL WAS WELL. TOBIS ACTIONS CAUSED ALL OF THIS. CAUSE AND EFFECT. STOP SAYING THAT I AM BASHING MINATO I GAVE HIM HIS CREDIT BUT THE MAN LOST MORE THAT NIGHT THAN TOBI DID IN MY OPINION BASED ON THE LIVES THEY BOTH HAD AT STAKE. MINATO + FAMILY+ VILLAGE PEOPLE AND TOBI SIMPLY HAD HIMSELF AS FAR WE KNOW.

 

[Rasenloki]

No there wasn't, but if you look at the picture closely, Tobi is still swinging his kunai...Also, the Raikage commended the 4th Hokage on the basis of speed, nothing else. I doubt the 4th received that title only because he was good at teleporting from kunai to kunai alone.

We have yet to see his speed minus the seals, that distance was not far and it was not like tobi cared for baby or if minato could reach him in time. Stop posting his skills i already in my main post that he is skilled. so talking about his skills gets us no where since my main post recognizes it already.

 

[Rasenloki]

Thank you for posting this! I completly forgot how fast Minato is!




Just to set this straight; Kushina didn't die right away, she was still alive until Minato used the sealing jutsu that took his life AND Kushina's life, so in away he killed his wife lol
She might have even fought a little though I can't remember

kushina still was able to pin the 9 tails, she is mos def talented and has a hell of a chakra reserve. But it has been stated she is only one to survive the taking of one, but it never said that she would still live. tobi spoke of her clans vitality so it leaves me to believe she can hold on longer than the average user. as far as minato speed, he was not to far from tobi and tobi was after his wife and the baby was boobie trapped remember?

 

[Rasenloki]

You're dumb. The cause for Minato's death was the kyuubi, which at the time WASN'T being controlled. Minato > Tobi at that time, I don't understand why you would think otherwise.

#1 - Tobi planned this for years, and Minato STILL stopped his plan.

#2 - Minato destroyed Tobi's arm, Minato was unharmed.

#3 - Minato managed to stop the Kyuubi, save the village and save his son.

Pretty sure Minato wins, you goofy fanboy.

perhaps you did not read the post to understand what the word catalyst means huh? or perhaps in the main post you did not read me saying tobi did not directly kill him? perhaps your too stupid to understand cause and effect? perhaps your too dumb to notice i clearly wrote in my main post i have no favs? perhaps you should stop posting what my main post already covered you idiot.

 

[Uziha Uchimaki]

Actually I agree to an extent in what you say in that everyone on recent threads seem to exaggerate abit on that fight. I personally don't think that the 4th show'd all of his power in that fight mostly due to the element of surprise. however, we know he must've expected a possible attack hence the location and the 3rds warning. I still wouldn't say that he lost but he did stop Tobi from destroying the leaf, and maintained the balance of Jinchuuriki. And if he didn't get all romantic and want to die with his lady he still could've sealed the Ninetails and lived to raise Naruto but, Minato was really just a victim of the infamous plot-no-jutsu lol.

And I am an Oro fan so there is no biased on my part whatsoever.

 

[TheSages456]

tobi takes kurama from kushina
minato beats tobi in 2 minutes
minato saves the village from kurama
he chooses to die at his wifes side as it was said in the manga

 

[Rasenloki]

Dude the only way a Kage can be an epic fail is if their entire village gets destroyed with all the villagers. And since this never happened to Minato I'd say he did a good job.

There is no doubt that minato did save the village even though many died (lets not forget that) his wife dies also and he chose to die at a time when who knows what could of happened the next day. to me it was a epic fail, but hell minato has a chance to be the catalyst for vengeance if naruto kills him (can't wait till naruto finally kills a person)

 

[Sir Blades]

as i said before and will say for the last time, minato did not win a fight he died in and so did his wife. i never said tobi himself killed minato so don't put words in my mouth please. Tobi's actions were the catalyst for minato basically being forced to commit suicide. tobi killed the fourths wife when you think about it lol. It is obvious minato is skilled, i never doubted that. but when you put the fight into perspective minato is strong as H** but greatly overrated. Minato has only shown us that he can send objects to other special kunai, and he uses seals for speed. his reaction time is great but his raw speed with out justu is unknown.


During the fight with tobi minato did quickly figure out tobi technique (smart man). Yet during the very next move tobi figured him out but got countered and hit. that was the end of their fight but tobi had already basically killed minatos wife, and the biju tobi unleashed would in the end kill minato. so how is it that minato gets praised for such a epic fail? i understand folks like the char,but facts are facts. I have no favs i just enjoy the show as a whole

ive never disagreed more, most of what you said are assumptions therefore false. and dang leave minato alone, hes dead sheesh.

 

[skehan17]

you don't listen do you, Minato wasn't forced to take his life he chose to
and there isn't any eveidence that Kushina would of died from the extraction of the 9 tails if she didn't give her life for her son

 

[Rasenloki]

Actually I agree to an extent in what you say in that everyone on recent threads seem to exaggerate abit on that fight. I personally don't think that the 4th show'd all of his power in that fight mostly due to the element of surprise. however, we know he must've expected a possible attack hence the location and the 3rds warning. I still wouldn't say that he lost but he did stop Tobi from destroying the leaf, and maintained the balance of Jinchuuriki. And if he didn't get all romantic and want to die with his lady he still could've sealed the Ninetails and lived to raise Naruto but, Minato was really just a victim of the infamous plot-no-jutsu lol.

And I am an Oro fan so there is no biased on my part whatsoever.

I am a nice guy and i am sure we can get along just fine. I thought my main post did not offend or bash anyone. I simply looked at what both side lost that night and felt minato lost more. i mean their fight consisted of two touches lol. As i stated in the main post minato was skilled, i still question his raw speed minus the justu (but i am sure he's above average) i just don't think the tobi encounter lives up to his legend. The dude is still bad ass and look forward to seeing him and the raikage go at it (that will be epic) so please don't bash me, i like the community and hope to engage in more debates with you. if a person shows me link that is not another chars opinion but a fact of the story i have no problem in saying i wrong about something

 

[Rasenloki]

ive never disagreed more, most of what you said are assumptions therefore false. and dang leave minato alone, hes dead sheesh.

had tobi not did what he did minato would not of been in that situation to have to make that choice would he? further more there were no assumptions in what i
wrote. everything i wrote happened in that fight? please point out where i wrote a assumption?

 

[Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan]

Manga states that Minato > Tobi (during that time), so just leave it at that.
I do give you credit though because you still go on even though you are wrong sir, lol.
Btw, stop double posting, you even quad-posted LOL.

 

[10SinKiller]

Trolls lie i stated facts so deal with it. and sure the guy who dies is a winner lol fan boyish to da max it seems. Had you read my post you would not being saying things i already stated. like my post said fan boy i never claimed it was tobi hand that killed him. but it was what tobi tried to do that turned into events that made his wife die minato him kill himself lol. but sure tobi still loses cause he got hit once but the other guy and his broad dies lmaooooo you people are amusing

look bro. Tobi failed in his plan to destroy konoha. Minato stopped his plan. Killing Minato was never what he wanted so Minato is an innocent bystandard. Sooo Minato stopped the destruction making HIM the hero/winner and tobi the loser. Booom B!!!!!@@@tch

 

[aaronwright23]

so your point is what? had you read my post you would not be repeating what i already wrote and gave minato props on. but in a battle the guy who lives is the winner last time i checked. i could care less why minato chose to die lol. the point is tobi's actions caused his wife to die and for minato to take his own life lol. so yeah epic fail on the fourths part. lmao even tsunade survived the pein invasion lol just saying

because naruto saved her b*tch ass Mother F*cker

 

[10SinKiller]

I am a nice guy and i am sure we can get along just fine. I thought my main post did not offend or bash anyone. I simply looked at what both side lost that night and felt minato lost more. i mean their fight consisted of two touches lol. As i stated in the main post minato was skilled, i still question his raw speed minus the justu (but i am sure he's above average) i just don't think the tobi encounter lives up to his legend. The dude is still bad ass and look forward to seeing him and the raikage go at it (that will be epic) so please don't bash me, i like the community and hope to engage in more debates with you. if a person shows me link that is not another chars opinion but a fact of the story i have no problem in saying i wrong about something

Bolded part. You only look at the fight ONE way. Your thinking is illogical. If the fight was indeed to kill MINATO then yes. Minato lost. but thats not what the fight was about. It was about destroying konoha which tobi failed to do. So he lost and Minato won. There ya go nukka. How you like them apples???

 

[10SinKiller]

had tobi not did what he did minato would not of been in that situation to have to make that choice would he? further more there were no assumptions in what i
wrote. everything i wrote happened in that fight? please point out where i wrote a assumption?

You put no assumptions but you neglected the fact that tobi was after konoha not minato. You are taking things way out of context WHICH is extremely dumb. Sorry but get the story straight bro, you fail.

 

[sWAy253]

This thread is pointless, everything that happened in the manga had to happen or else we wouldn't have a Naruto manga to begin with. Did Tobi beat Minato? No he didn't, we all saw him get his ass beat in the manga and in the anime. Was Kushina going to die after she had the Nine-tails pulled from her? Yes, she would have(manga fact). Did they both give there lives for there son because they both knew that he was going to be the one to stop Tobi in the future? Yes they did. Is Naruto not winning the war? So far he is.

 

[Rasenloki]

because naruto saved her b*tch ass Mother F*cker

quit with the name calling because then even if you do make a point i can not take you serious if you want respect please give it.

Bolded part. You only look at the fight ONE way. Your thinking is illogical. If the fight was indeed to kill MINATO then yes. Minato lost. but thats not what the fight was about. It was about destroying konoha which tobi failed to do. So he lost and Minato won. There ya go nukka. How you like them apples???

if he is attacking the village i am sure he did not just want to knock down their buildings right? is he tobizilla now lol. I based this off of who lost more in that exchange. yes tobi lost his plan, minato stopped it, i actually feel like it's draw now . still to me minato lost more things precious to him, but it was a overall stalemate. the kicker is tobi still has a shot atleast realizing the plan (not that he's going to do it and keep it lol) but i now call it a draw if anything.

 

[10SinKiller]

quit with the name calling because then even if you do make a point i can not take you serious if you want respect please give it.








if he is attacking the village i am sure he did not just want to knock down their buildings right? is he tobizilla now lol. I based this off of who lost more in that exchange. yes tobi lost his plan, minato stopped it, i actually feel like it's draw now . still to me minato lost more things precious to him, but it was a overall stalemate. the kicker is tobi still has a shot atleast realizing the plan (not that he's going to do it and keep it lol) but i now call it a draw if anything.

Its actually not even a draw but because what minato was fighting to save was NARUTO. Sure he saved kushina but his immediate attention was naruto. Look at everything he did for naruto. Him and Kushina BOTH died for him. Sure she was already dead but the fact that she gave herself for Naruto means she died for him and so did Minato. If tobi had stopped the sealing of their chakra into Naruto THEN tobi would have one in a way but he didn't. Minato completely thwarted his plan in every way so he is the real victor.

 

[Netsui]

I only read the first few pages. The rest of the pages weren't worth reading IMO.

1. The jinchuuriki who died had to go through 3 days of it being taken out. Kushina herself didn't go through the 3 days of pain. So Kurama being extracted didn't kill her.

2. Fact about their fight. Minato was alive after Tobi ran away, so he won that fight. He lost against Kurama because that's the fight he died in. He chose to die to save his son, and the village.

3. We didn't even see all of Minato's abilities.

I'm not a fanboy, but I do give facts. Please consider them, instead of saying facts. You end most of your posts with FACTS, which is what everyone is giving.