Exiguity.
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NarutoKage2
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We dont know enough about the eye of the moon plan to make such a sweeping statement. For all we know, madara may plan on using the eye of the juubi for it....you have seen it havent you? And no shit sherlock what do you think the uchiha stone monument is for? Madara can learn about tsukuyomi from there. And overkill...? Riiiiigght, cuz ps, flower tree world, meteors and wood dragon arent overkill at all>_> .
The db is only a compilation of info upto a point in the story. It isnt some eternally binding truth that can never change. Use your goddamn commonsense kids. Tell me , if the databook is always right, why didnt the 3rd databook refer to hiruzen as the god of shinobi like before? Why didnt minato have a web of abilities like other chars? Answer to the former is that the earlier databooks becameoutdated with the 3rd, and to the latter its that at the point the databook shows, there isnt enough info on minato.
Having access to a databook doesnt mean throwing your common sense out the window and ignoring the obvious in the rest of the manga.
Thank you. I don't know why some cannot accepted that in certain areas it is outdated. That is why more have to be released, to involve the changes that Masashi has included in his work over a point in time. It's alterations take precedence over the databook in some instances: this is one of them.
I think that sasuke and itachi had different talents with their eyes
Itachi being genjutsu and sasuke being Amaterasu
Itachi stopped the Amaterasu flames but he can't manipulate them as easy as sasuke
Sasuke controlling the flames turns it into blaze release
Itachi controlling time on his genjutsu turns it into tsukuyomi
Itachi being genjutsu and sasuke being Amaterasu
Itachi stopped the Amaterasu flames but he can't manipulate them as easy as sasuke
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Sasuke controlling the flames turns it into blaze release
Itachi controlling time on his genjutsu turns it into tsukuyomi
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I can't speak for whether he had it during MS or EMS but I believe he has it nonetheless.
Itachi has Tsukuyomi and Susanoo
Madara has Susanoo and Tsukuyomi(for his plan is titled "infinite tsukuyomi")
Obito has no Susanoo due to one eye, but has Tsukuyomi most likely also since it seemed he was gonna do "Infinite Tsukuyomi" solo without Madara, meaning he must have it.
Sasuke has Susanoo....and with the rest of them pretty much having it, means he most likely has it as well.
Itachi has Tsukuyomi and Susanoo
Madara has Susanoo and Tsukuyomi(for his plan is titled "infinite tsukuyomi")
Obito has no Susanoo due to one eye, but has Tsukuyomi most likely also since it seemed he was gonna do "Infinite Tsukuyomi" solo without Madara, meaning he must have it.
Sasuke has Susanoo....and with the rest of them pretty much having it, means he most likely has it as well.
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Both eyes are kamui....
That doesn't mean he doesn't have Tsukuyomi. For all we know Kamui could be the alternative to Susanoo since he only has one eye and MS.
and as I said, the plan is called "Infinite Tsukuyomi" meaning you need Tsukuyomi to do it and it didn't look like he was resurrecting Madara for it.
So why would he go off on his own with the plan if he can't even make it happen?
Light, Mugen Tsukuyomi is an ocular jutsu powered by the Jūbi. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that the Tsukuyomi from this plan stems from the Jūbi, which would indefinitely explain its Dōjutsu, and the Uchiha's. [
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I'm not entirely sure what your saying, but I'm assuming that you mean they figure that the juubi can cast tsukuyomi without needing the user to have it?
Nonetheless tsukuyomi is not a unique power, just like susanoo since Madara knew about tsukuyomi before Itachi was even born.
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Would he really go out on that plan solely based on an assumption that the juubi could cast it?
Why tsukuyomi and not KA?
How would he know how to cast tsukuyomi with the juubi if he himself doesn't know how to?
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it seems a bit far fetched. I doubt something like that would be written on the Uchiha Tablet. Why would the Sage give out the secret to world domination?
we did see Madara use genjutsu on Obito to train him and explain the history of ninjutsu. It looked similar to tsukuyomi since he was essentially able to manipulate many aspects of that world.
Unlike other genjutsu, as we've seen with Kurenai's, 2nd Mizukage, and Kabuto. Their genjutsu when affects someone, still stays in the physical world meaning that Itachi and Sasuke can still talk to each other and see each other during Kabuto's genjutsu.
Itachi is still able to see and communicate to Kisame in Kurenai's genjutsu.
Tsukuyomi creates an actual matrix like where one can affect the flow of time, gravity, and the form of a being, etc. Madara made himself look young and created a blank world where he could fill it in with anything.
Itachi was able to even make Kakashi turn into paper, altering his form similar to what Madara did to himself.
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I'm on the side, that the Uchiha gained their ocular abilities from the Jūbi itself. There's obviously a link between its Dojutsu and the Uchiha's. That would mean, that the Jūbi has the capacity to use every Sharingan ability displayed, but on a grander scale. Hence, is where Sasuke's elucidations come in.
Nice try, but an infallible refutation just came to my mind.
Appreciate this premise:
- Madara gave his Rinnegan to Nagato. [
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That's a good point. But if tsukuyomi is really that rare/powerful why didn't Obito take Itachi's eyes for himself. He wanted Shishui's eye as I recall.
He wanted Shisui's eye as it wields a more useful Genjutsu in battle. Tsukuyomi is the important Jutsu when it comes to controlling the world because Tsukuyomi allows you to manipulate space, time and even matter itself [
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yeah I get what you're saying. But I guess it's really left to interpretation since we don't really know whether the juubi has tsukuyomi or not.
Itachi got 3 powers, that means Sasuke only got 2, and Madara/Obito only have 1 from MS/EMS
Is it harder to believe that Madara/Obito/Sasuke all have tsukuyomi and are using their own power to cast it on everybody
or that the Juubi has tsukuyomi when they don't?
I'd like to believe that Madara/others have it. There really isn't a wrong answer.
Sasuke has three Man Mangekyō abilities: Amaterasu, Enton: Kagutsuchi, and Susano'o.
- Izuna's eyes became Madara's eyes. Their close physical compatibility allowed the amalgamation of their Mangekyou Sharingan's Tomoe Seals—their ocular power—and the creation of Madara's Eien no Mangekyou Sharingan. Regardless, the fact that Madara can use Susanoo with the Eien no Mangekyou Sharingan does not prove that Izuna possessed the exact same techniques; Madara can still use his own ocular powers through it, in addition to what he inherited from his little brother... Just as Sasuke can still use the ocular power of his right Mangekyou Sharingan—Enton: Kagutsuchi—through the eyes that originally belonged to his brother.