Exhilarating...But terrifying (Lightning Training)
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:rofl: Alright, that caught me off guard.Lol you didn't see this note did youHowever do you really want to learn lightning from me O_0
Yeah, i only said Water because i thought that was more your thing :scorps:
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lets begin. I want you to begin by doing the following.
Hint: What I'm asking for for the second bullet, I'm asking for you to use what you know of lightning and personify it. Use adj. to tell me your best interpritation of how this nature "acts" And for relationships with the other elements. I want more than the shallow relations of strengths, weaknesses and neutrality. I want you to tell me all of the former as well as how lightning can be used in conjunction with other elements, and not just the five elements, but other advanced elements as well. For help refer to
- What is Lightning Release
- How Does this nature act
- Relationships with other Elements (Standard and Advanced Elements)
Hint: What I'm asking for for the second bullet, I'm asking for you to use what you know of lightning and personify it. Use adj. to tell me your best interpritation of how this nature "acts" And for relationships with the other elements. I want more than the shallow relations of strengths, weaknesses and neutrality. I want you to tell me all of the former as well as how lightning can be used in conjunction with other elements, and not just the five elements, but other advanced elements as well. For help refer to
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Lightning Release is the most fleeting of all the elements, it arguably takes the most control due to its dangerous nature and the lethality it possess. Its stronger than Earth due to being able to pierce through it, is conducted by water and is weak to wind due to it being a natural insulator.
Lightning is the most fleeting of all elements, in nature it occurs for less than a single moment and then vanishes again without a trace. Almost like a second in time, once the future, once the present but swiftly becomes something of the past.
I know your not a fan of walls xd
Lightning is the most fleeting of all elements, in nature it occurs for less than a single moment and then vanishes again without a trace. Almost like a second in time, once the future, once the present but swiftly becomes something of the past.
I know your not a fan of walls xd
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Sorry about being vague there, reading it over, it was pretty basic.
Lightning Release arguably takes the most control due to its dangerous nature and the lethality it possess. Its stronger than Earth due to being able to pierce through it, is conducted by water and is weak to wind due to it being a natural insulator.
Lightning is the most fleeting of all elements, in nature it occurs for less than a single moment and then vanishes again without a trace. Almost like a second in time, once the future, once the present but swiftly becomes something of the past.
Fundamentally, its the control over raw streams of electricity which can be tamed with the right control, it relates most to the Fire element due to its destruction if not contained or used properly and the high level of self-control someone requires to manipulate it correctly.
Lightning is uniquely different in its reaction with other elements. Water based elements, metals and anything that can have a current through it could pose both an advantage or disadvantage depending on the situation. If a wave of water is used against the user, lightning wouldn't be an ideal choice for a counter due to it simply electrifying the water and making the incoming attack even more lethal.
Its also behaves in a unique manner with metal elements when high energy lightning is used it reaches the capability to demagnetize metals rendering metals which rely on magnetic chakra to control them completely useless.
However its actual combinations with other elements is seemingly limited due to its own destructive nature, it can only really fuse with conductors but other than that it pierces/destroys most other elements or simply renders them useless e.g. Blazing Earth, Blast Release and so on.
Lightning Release arguably takes the most control due to its dangerous nature and the lethality it possess. Its stronger than Earth due to being able to pierce through it, is conducted by water and is weak to wind due to it being a natural insulator.
Lightning is the most fleeting of all elements, in nature it occurs for less than a single moment and then vanishes again without a trace. Almost like a second in time, once the future, once the present but swiftly becomes something of the past.
Fundamentally, its the control over raw streams of electricity which can be tamed with the right control, it relates most to the Fire element due to its destruction if not contained or used properly and the high level of self-control someone requires to manipulate it correctly.
Lightning is uniquely different in its reaction with other elements. Water based elements, metals and anything that can have a current through it could pose both an advantage or disadvantage depending on the situation. If a wave of water is used against the user, lightning wouldn't be an ideal choice for a counter due to it simply electrifying the water and making the incoming attack even more lethal.
Its also behaves in a unique manner with metal elements when high energy lightning is used it reaches the capability to demagnetize metals rendering metals which rely on magnetic chakra to control them completely useless.
However its actual combinations with other elements is seemingly limited due to its own destructive nature, it can only really fuse with conductors but other than that it pierces/destroys most other elements or simply renders them useless e.g. Blazing Earth, Blast Release and so on.
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This following information is a quote that I'm using to help Scorps out, you are also to read it and take from it. I will then address the information in your post:
You say it relates to fire for it's destructive properties but you neglect the other points of why it relates to fire and why it is in fact a great element to use in conjunction with lightning. Fire has high heat energy and has a fast rapid pace, just like lightning. Lightning and fire are both fast and both possess heat. Fire is one of the only elements that can keep up lightning, and Fire compliments lightning against it's natural weakness. Wind>Lightning (natural insulator) Fire>Wind (not strong enough to halt flames and when used in conjuncture augments it) so the combo of Lightning+Fire would make your opponent reluctant to use Wind correct? There are other combinations like this with other elements (Wind+Water generally means one wouldn't use Fire, Fire+Earth means one may be reluctant to use water, Earth+Wind not very oftenly used but may hinder use of lightning, etc, etc)
You misunderstand the position of water in relation to lightning in some senses. True water is a conductor, however not all water techniques are generated from a source directly connected to the user so you need to ask yourself this question, what situation is smart to use lightning in? There is a technique where your opponent manifests a large amount of water above you which drops down on your head with a considerable amount of pressure, would it be smart to electrofy the water as it's coming down on you? No as you would only increase the damage you sustain. Now there is also the possibility of a stronger lightning technique being abel to mess destroy the water molicules to obliterate the water however there's the factor of size. With larger scale water techniques you may not be able to completely do that. Which is why it's not the best situation to use Lightning against water rather to use Lightning in conjunction with water. There is only one canon Metal based KG which is Steel release and you are correct as the same with all metal based Custom Elements, there is the aspect of earth and the fact that they are conductors that surves to make a great use for lightning. As for other combinations with Lightning and other elements, I believe I've given you enough of a wallie and I'll explain them to you later as there are many other ways for lightning to defeat Advanced Kekkei genkai elements and be used equally in conjunctuion with them.
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As for your post a few things you neglect in terms of Lightning's relation to earth/attracted to the earth which is another attribution as to why it's weak, its easily conducted through the ground and in the Narutoverse is it can easily travel through the ground. Lightning in the sense of it's applications in storms are is quick and fleeting, but in the sense of the Narutoverse lightning and electicity don't necessarily happen in an instant. What you're thinking of is the speed at which Lightning naturally flows, which I also mention above. Lightning is fast and, in the case of raiton, it may want to be quickly fleeting, which is why when one uses techniques like Chidori or Raikiri, we see discharge of lightning coming from the center of control. All that energy and power that wants to escape is being bounded. It's frankly too much to control one hundred percent, thus the discharge. That being said, lightning does require a high degree of control, arguably the most control of the five basic elements for that very reason.
You say it relates to fire for it's destructive properties but you neglect the other points of why it relates to fire and why it is in fact a great element to use in conjunction with lightning. Fire has high heat energy and has a fast rapid pace, just like lightning. Lightning and fire are both fast and both possess heat. Fire is one of the only elements that can keep up lightning, and Fire compliments lightning against it's natural weakness. Wind>Lightning (natural insulator) Fire>Wind (not strong enough to halt flames and when used in conjuncture augments it) so the combo of Lightning+Fire would make your opponent reluctant to use Wind correct? There are other combinations like this with other elements (Wind+Water generally means one wouldn't use Fire, Fire+Earth means one may be reluctant to use water, Earth+Wind not very oftenly used but may hinder use of lightning, etc, etc)
You misunderstand the position of water in relation to lightning in some senses. True water is a conductor, however not all water techniques are generated from a source directly connected to the user so you need to ask yourself this question, what situation is smart to use lightning in? There is a technique where your opponent manifests a large amount of water above you which drops down on your head with a considerable amount of pressure, would it be smart to electrofy the water as it's coming down on you? No as you would only increase the damage you sustain. Now there is also the possibility of a stronger lightning technique being abel to mess destroy the water molicules to obliterate the water however there's the factor of size. With larger scale water techniques you may not be able to completely do that. Which is why it's not the best situation to use Lightning against water rather to use Lightning in conjunction with water. There is only one canon Metal based KG which is Steel release and you are correct as the same with all metal based Custom Elements, there is the aspect of earth and the fact that they are conductors that surves to make a great use for lightning. As for other combinations with Lightning and other elements, I believe I've given you enough of a wallie and I'll explain them to you later as there are many other ways for lightning to defeat Advanced Kekkei genkai elements and be used equally in conjunctuion with them.
Any questions?
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That was a pretty comprehensive reply, i got a lot from it.
Ah yeah, i must of been unclear when talking about the nature of Lightning Release. Its not quite on par with the actual speed of lightning considering it requires the control/taming of it whilst the other one is still a spontaneous force of raw destruction. The Raging Thunder CE seems to utilize raw Lightning unlike Raiton.
When thinking of Lightning and Water/Lightning vs Water situations, its better to use Lightning when the opponent is physically covered or has contact with the body of water e.g. Hozuki Hydrifcation Technique or Kisame's Protective Water Prison (used before his suicide). However this doesn't apply to all cases e.g. Kisame's Great Exploding Colliding Wave which is on a high enough scale to evenly distribute the conducted electricity.
Lightning should never really be used against waves of water, it would only serve to power up the impending attack similar to the Fire and Wind relationship.
Concerning the points of Fire + Lightning, that was nothing short of enlightening, seems like a very capable combo considering the Lightning and Fire won't fuse like other combinations but rather move through each other letting them retain their own capabilities. But it seems like its easily neutralized by a large wave of water, with the water neutralizing the fire and the resulting water conducting the electricity.
Yeah, i've read up on Lightning and water. The scale of the water technique could easily render the element itself useless due to the lightning being dissipated evenly along the massive body of water when being conducted.
Two questions i have are:
1) Does Lightning conduct along mud, sand, soil and other variations of Doton even though they have different compositions ?
2) Is there anyway of physically fusing Lightning with Fire or with Wind or with Earth ?
3) How would a wave of Mud interact against Lightning ?
Ah yeah, i must of been unclear when talking about the nature of Lightning Release. Its not quite on par with the actual speed of lightning considering it requires the control/taming of it whilst the other one is still a spontaneous force of raw destruction. The Raging Thunder CE seems to utilize raw Lightning unlike Raiton.
When thinking of Lightning and Water/Lightning vs Water situations, its better to use Lightning when the opponent is physically covered or has contact with the body of water e.g. Hozuki Hydrifcation Technique or Kisame's Protective Water Prison (used before his suicide). However this doesn't apply to all cases e.g. Kisame's Great Exploding Colliding Wave which is on a high enough scale to evenly distribute the conducted electricity.
Lightning should never really be used against waves of water, it would only serve to power up the impending attack similar to the Fire and Wind relationship.
Concerning the points of Fire + Lightning, that was nothing short of enlightening, seems like a very capable combo considering the Lightning and Fire won't fuse like other combinations but rather move through each other letting them retain their own capabilities. But it seems like its easily neutralized by a large wave of water, with the water neutralizing the fire and the resulting water conducting the electricity.
Yeah, i've read up on Lightning and water. The scale of the water technique could easily render the element itself useless due to the lightning being dissipated evenly along the massive body of water when being conducted.
Two questions i have are:
1) Does Lightning conduct along mud, sand, soil and other variations of Doton even though they have different compositions ?
2) Is there anyway of physically fusing Lightning with Fire or with Wind or with Earth ?
3) How would a wave of Mud interact against Lightning ?
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Excellent notice of the weakness of the Fire+Lightning combo. However, despite the strengths and weaknesses some fire techniques can essentially weaken water techniques and allow for lightning to continue. There's the concepts of Ranking in the RP that I haven't gone over with you yet which I will after answering your questions.
As for Lightning in relatin to mud, the thickness given to mud by water (Earth+Water=Mud in the RP) may provide some conductability though, to link your first and last questions, against a wave of mud, since the solidity of the earth has been compromised with Liquid the situation may inevitably be similar to how lightning would react against water.
As for the second part of your first question question seeing as sand is its own entity here on the base due to the use of manipulation from Gaara, Sandaime and Yondaime Kazekage, I'm not 100% sure. I know from looking at the Elemental Weaknesses and Strengths thread (which I linked you already) that Lightning is considered a strength against Sand although not given with the practicality of anything besides Sasuke's use of Lightning against Gaara's ultimate defense. I would say since sand itself is a varient of earth, though crystalized in a sense it could simply be seen as a sub varient of eath though you shouldn't quote me on this. For the unison of Magnitism where we see iron sand and Gold sand, the metalic properties work to a lightning user's advantage. So we can say that Lightning has advantage over sand and other magnitism based propreties involved.
To my knowledge there is no way in physically combinine earth and wind. You can use earth and wind in harmony, increaseing the speed of earth based projectiles. However one cannot physically fuse the two chakras of Doton or Fuuton or any other elements for that matter, without having a kekkei genkai or having mastery over Yin Yang Release. As it stands the only people who have Yin Yang Release are Rei and Xylon (in terms of full mastery), though I may be forgetting a few people. There are people in training with Yin Yang Release such as TSSB (The Seven Scaled Boy), LoK and a few others who escape me at the moment, however all those people are well before your time and they are already legends. Gaining Yin Yang Release is somewhat of an impossibility at the moment since it's still rather underdeveloped in the RP not to mention if it was, the powers it possesses would not be easily obtained *cries on the inside*
anything else?
As for Lightning in relatin to mud, the thickness given to mud by water (Earth+Water=Mud in the RP) may provide some conductability though, to link your first and last questions, against a wave of mud, since the solidity of the earth has been compromised with Liquid the situation may inevitably be similar to how lightning would react against water.
As for the second part of your first question question seeing as sand is its own entity here on the base due to the use of manipulation from Gaara, Sandaime and Yondaime Kazekage, I'm not 100% sure. I know from looking at the Elemental Weaknesses and Strengths thread (which I linked you already) that Lightning is considered a strength against Sand although not given with the practicality of anything besides Sasuke's use of Lightning against Gaara's ultimate defense. I would say since sand itself is a varient of earth, though crystalized in a sense it could simply be seen as a sub varient of eath though you shouldn't quote me on this. For the unison of Magnitism where we see iron sand and Gold sand, the metalic properties work to a lightning user's advantage. So we can say that Lightning has advantage over sand and other magnitism based propreties involved.
To my knowledge there is no way in physically combinine earth and wind. You can use earth and wind in harmony, increaseing the speed of earth based projectiles. However one cannot physically fuse the two chakras of Doton or Fuuton or any other elements for that matter, without having a kekkei genkai or having mastery over Yin Yang Release. As it stands the only people who have Yin Yang Release are Rei and Xylon (in terms of full mastery), though I may be forgetting a few people. There are people in training with Yin Yang Release such as TSSB (The Seven Scaled Boy), LoK and a few others who escape me at the moment, however all those people are well before your time and they are already legends. Gaining Yin Yang Release is somewhat of an impossibility at the moment since it's still rather underdeveloped in the RP not to mention if it was, the powers it possesses would not be easily obtained *cries on the inside*
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Yeah, i read through the ranks of techniques and how they affect they way they interact in strengths and weaknesses. A weakness being a difference in 1 rank and a severe weakness (not common) being a difference in 2 ranks.
Re-reading through the Fire + Lightning combo, it seems like if the fire is enough to evaporate of all the water then the Lightning should be able to get through (Steam doesn't conduct electricity).
Ah, i need to find out for sure how Mud would interact with Lightning. Its a essential part to my planned fighting style. If Mud somehow conducts electricity or is natural insulator then i should be able to overcome a Doton user's natural weakness of Raiton.
Lightning seems to be extremely versatile. It actually relates to a CE i have planned (need to be a member for 10 months) that utilizes Lightning and a naturally occurring gas as a superconductor to build on the properties of Lightning, canon raiton doesn't build on e.g. Stunning, Electromagnetism and etc. But i'll stop going off topic now xd
Yin Yang Release seems interesting, but so, so out of reach. Ah, so fusing the elements completely can only be accessed through CEs and Kekkei Genkai (not counting Yin Yang) ? Alright, i'll bare that in mind for future.
Nope, i wouldn't say i have any more questions.
Re-reading through the Fire + Lightning combo, it seems like if the fire is enough to evaporate of all the water then the Lightning should be able to get through (Steam doesn't conduct electricity).
Ah, i need to find out for sure how Mud would interact with Lightning. Its a essential part to my planned fighting style. If Mud somehow conducts electricity or is natural insulator then i should be able to overcome a Doton user's natural weakness of Raiton.
Lightning seems to be extremely versatile. It actually relates to a CE i have planned (need to be a member for 10 months
) that utilizes Lightning and a naturally occurring gas as a superconductor to build on the properties of Lightning, canon raiton doesn't build on e.g. Stunning, Electromagnetism and etc. But i'll stop going off topic now xdYin Yang Release seems interesting
, but so, so out of reach. Ah, so fusing the elements completely can only be accessed through CEs and Kekkei Genkai (not counting Yin Yang) ? Alright, i'll bare that in mind for future.Nope, i wouldn't say i have any more questions.
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There is a mud CE and you have to understand properties of the earth and water if you are to attempt to make mud. For example there are techniques like Stone goalum, you wouldn't be able to turn that into mud with any water technique, you'd need to get the solid earth to a point where you'd be able to cohesivly syncronize water and earth.
I doubt the steam would conduct. Since there is no longer a strong enough solidified state of matter, meaning the bonds in the water have spread far and wide, I don't think you'd be able to travel lightning through mist or steam.
Again, I'll suggest you wait until you've mastered all the elements before coming up with any sort of CE for the simple fact that you may not know as much as you think you know now. As it stands with lightning for example, there were some areas you weren't clear on which caused misinterpritation. CE submissions take a really long time to get checkd and approved since there's only two people I believe who are in charge of that (Caliburn and Nexus [for mods]) and both are strong graders on such areas since CEs are generally defining of a member giving them strong capabilities that are sometimes, boarderline OP.
And the canon RP does deal with stunning and electromagnitism...which further proves my point in waiting for CEs and also doing some studying on the already existing and attemps at CEs
I doubt the steam would conduct. Since there is no longer a strong enough solidified state of matter, meaning the bonds in the water have spread far and wide, I don't think you'd be able to travel lightning through mist or steam.
Again, I'll suggest you wait until you've mastered all the elements before coming up with any sort of CE for the simple fact that you may not know as much as you think you know now. As it stands with lightning for example, there were some areas you weren't clear on which caused misinterpritation. CE submissions take a really long time to get checkd and approved since there's only two people I believe who are in charge of that (Caliburn and Nexus [for mods]) and both are strong graders on such areas since CEs are generally defining of a member giving them strong capabilities that are sometimes, boarderline OP.
And the canon RP does deal with stunning and electromagnitism...which further proves my point in waiting for CEs and also doing some studying on the already existing and attemps at CEs
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Yeah, i prefer Solid earth more for defensive use, its one of the things which makes it my favourite element. It doesn't seem to react much against the other elements (excluding its weakness for Lightning and very high ranking fire).
I'll probably look more into making Mud based CJs (not enough to branch into the CE) because it seems pretty inefficient to use both water and earth simply to make mud.
Yeah, i think i'll take your advice concerning the CE part. I've done studying into the actual system and worked out how to get an approvable CE, i might just be lacking in the knowledge of the elements. The CE i hope to create (other one) uses mainly Water and Earth so i'll have to wait till i master these elements any way.
Alright, i'm ready to move on.
I'll probably look more into making Mud based CJs (not enough to branch into the CE) because it seems pretty inefficient to use both water and earth simply to make mud.
Yeah, i think i'll take your advice concerning the CE part. I've done studying into the actual system and worked out how to get an approvable CE, i might just be lacking in the knowledge of the elements. The CE i hope to create (other one) uses mainly Water and Earth so i'll have to wait till i master these elements any way.
Alright, i'm ready to move on.
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Alright, now the way I train is a little differently than most sensei. I use Lili-Chwan and Scorp's method of training which divides the techniques of an element into four categories. Each category will have a specific number of techniques based on the similarities between the techniques, regardless of rank. I will then teach you the basic concepts of the method and test you on your knowledge and then we will continue alright?
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Method 1: Bolts/Projectiles
Method 2: Currents/Wide Spread
Method 3: Melee
Method 4: Specifics (Kirin/16 Pillar/Blinding Light/Vortexes)
These are the four methods in this element. From this point on here is what we're going to be doing.
(1) I will give you the method and explain to you, in depth, what the method entails and then allow for any questions of clarrification
(2) I will give you bullet points of words/phrases that I will ask you to define/explain that will show me if you understand this method if I am satisfied with your explanations, we will continue. If not I will have you tweak them.
(3) I will then post all the jutsu within the category with full explinations and then you will have to do the following
~Explain the Advantages of the Method
~Explain the Disadvantages of the Method
~Discuss Strategies you could use with jutsu from this method
If I'm satisfied with these three aspects, we will continue and repeat the cycle from the top.
Any questions?
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Method 1: Bolts/Projectiles
Method 2: Currents/Wide Spread
Method 3: Melee
Method 4: Specifics (Kirin/16 Pillar/Blinding Light/Vortexes)
These are the four methods in this element. From this point on here is what we're going to be doing.
(1) I will give you the method and explain to you, in depth, what the method entails and then allow for any questions of clarrification
(2) I will give you bullet points of words/phrases that I will ask you to define/explain that will show me if you understand this method if I am satisfied with your explanations, we will continue. If not I will have you tweak them.
(3) I will then post all the jutsu within the category with full explinations and then you will have to do the following
~Explain the Advantages of the Method
~Explain the Disadvantages of the Method
~Discuss Strategies you could use with jutsu from this method
If I'm satisfied with these three aspects, we will continue and repeat the cycle from the top.
Any questions?
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No questions, i can already tell it would be better to update my bio after we've finished Lightning completely seeing as we're learning regardless of rank.
Its a pretty efficient method, i look forward to seeing how it works.
Its a pretty efficient method, i look forward to seeing how it works.
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Ah, that makes perfect sense. I've always wondered about the splitting of projectiles and the overall power they had behind them.
The only questions i have are: When splitting projectiles you mentioned firing them in close proximity, "one after the other". Is it possible to fire them all simultaneously much like Darui's Laser Circus ?
Does this training method involve any visualization and performing the techniques like other Senseis/senpais use or is it completely theory based and more about understanding the concepts behind the jutsu ?
The only questions i have are: When splitting projectiles you mentioned firing them in close proximity, "one after the other". Is it possible to fire them all simultaneously much like Darui's Laser Circus ?
Does this training method involve any visualization and performing the techniques like other Senseis/senpais use or is it completely theory based and more about understanding the concepts behind the jutsu ?
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I suppose, I mean if you look at the way Itachi releases his fire technique at Bee in the new Anime theme and laster circus you could release them in a similar fasion.
I used to have you preform with visualization but I'm doing more of the theory aspect. I like it a little better as, if you understand the theory behind it all, you can visualize it and preform it in an actual situation. Anything else?
I used to have you preform with visualization but I'm doing more of the theory aspect. I like it a little better as, if you understand the theory behind it all, you can visualize it and preform it in an actual situation. Anything else?