Exhilarating...But terrifying (Lightning Training)

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I suppose, I mean if you look at the way Itachi releases his fire technique at Bee in the new Anime theme and laster circus you could release them in a similar fasion.

I used to have you preform with visualization but I'm doing more of the theory aspect. I like it a little better as, if you understand the theory behind it all, you can visualize it and preform it in an actual situation. Anything else?
I personally prefer theory based training. The visualization training doesn't take much effort on the student's part to repeat the instructions directly given to them. The theory actually explains the concepts behind the workings of the technique(s) in question.

No other questions at the moment.
 
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Alright, with that said we can move on. Now I want you to explain the following to me:

  • How you would launch a single bolt of lightning from your hand:
  • How you would launch a several bolts of lightning from your hand:
  • How you would create a ball of lightning:
  • How you would shoot a single bolt of lightning from your mouth that splits into several bolts as it travels:
Be descriptive, show me that you understand the theory
 

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Launching a Single Bolt of Lightning from my hand

Shooting a single bolt of lightning from my hand would arguably be the easiest of all the above. It would involve first channeling chakra through out the user's body (i tend to explain in the 3rd person), envisioning the nature of lightning chakra and applying into the the chakra being channeled. Once the raw chakra has been given the lightning affinity, it should be channeled into the user's hand as the epicenter of the chakra flow and concentrated/built up until releasing all of it into a single outburst of energy towards the designated target. It must be condensed into an actual bolt of lightning prior to its release to give the technique actual form.

Depending on the shape the user wants the lightning to take, they would have to use shape manipulation appropriately before releasing the attack but after converting the chakra into lightning chakra.

Launching several bolts of Lightning from my hand

Now this would be fairly straight forward for the user but requires precise control with shape manipulation and dividing the chakra in the projectiles evenly.

The user would first need to follow the fundamental procedures of channeling the chakra throughout their body, converting it into the Raiton nature and using their hand as the epicenter of the jutsu. Then inputting a large portion of their chakra into the attack, the user channels more chakra into their hand so each individual projectile has a significant amount of force behind it. Next, utilizing shape manipulation to a lesser degree the lightning is condensed into a high energy bolt of lightning with physical form. The chakra is then divided evenly into five or so equal portions and released one after the other in quick succession, allowing for them to seem like they have been released simultaneously.

Creating a Ball of Lightning

To create this, it would follow a different method to the previous two, concerting more on chakra build up and shape manipulation rather than releasing it as a sudden outburst of energy.

After channeling chakra through out their body, the user would need to use advanced chakra control (relative to the above) to shape this raw and sporadic Raiton chakra into a spherical object in their hand. Once they channel this chakra to the hand of choice, the other hand is placed directly below the hand creating the ball of lightning to provide more chakra to aid the advance shape manipulation being fused with the elemental manipulation. After achieving the raw shape of the lightning, the user then gradually condenses the structure to stabilize its form and taming the lightning.

Shooting a single bolt of lightning from my mouth that splits into several bolts as it travels

This time, the user channels chakra through out their body, converts this chakra to the Raiton nature and summons it up into their lungs. Shape manipulation and making the Raiton chakra higher energy than a ordinary single bolt (for when it splits) happens shortly after summoning the chakra to the user's lungs. Then releasing all the built up energy as a single bolt from their mouth, the user swiftly whilst still connected to the newly expelled bolt of lightning, uses shape manipulation to cause the single bolt to first branch off into semi-separate bolts from the original and then completely detaching from the original. The newly created bolts each have an equal level of chakra and are now separate entities. They're combined rank is that of the originally expelled bolt.
 

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Overall you did well, however there is are a few things you're not quite there yet with. You say you convert raw chakra into elemental chakra which isn't correct. The five elemental nature chakras are seprate from your raw chakra. In this case we're focusing on the pocket of chakra inside you that is purely lightning chakra. So you're only utilizign lightning chakra in you body to create these techniques, not converting raw chakra into lightning chakra.

With the Creating a ball of lightning, what you are doing is, generating lightning between your palms or in a single hand while simultaniously shaping it into a ball. There is no chakra outside of lightning being used to shape it, pure manipulation can be done with any form of chakra of any element. Get it?
 

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Yeah i was slightly unsure about the elemental chakra. That clears things up and should help when learning wind, fire and water. The point of the ball of lightning makes sense, just channeling the Raiton chakra into your hand(s) and manipulating its shape seems straight forward enough.
 

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Great, here is the first set of techniques.

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(Raiton No Jutsu) - Lightning Technique
Rank: D
Type: Defence/Attack
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 10
Damage Points: 20
Description: Small static bolts for attack and defense.

Simple technique, you create bolts of lightning for attacks and defense

(Ration: Ikazuchi Kashou) - Lightning Release: Thunder Burn
Rank: D
Type: Offensive
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 10
Damage points: 20
Description: The user fires a wave of lightning bolts at the opponent.

Basically the same technique as above but you fire a wave of bolts this time

(Raiton: Raikyu) - Lightning Release: Lightning Ball
Rank: C
Type: Offense
Range: Short/Mid
Chakra Cost: 15
Damage Points: 30
Description: By gathering chakra in their hands, the user can create a ball of electrical energy and launch it at the enemy.

Creating a ball of electricy

(Raiton: Shuurai Rappa no Jutsu) - Lightning Release: Lightning Strike Horn Technique
Rank: C
Type: Offensive
Range: Short - Mid
Chakra cost: 15
Damage points: 30
Description: The user will raise their hand infront of them like a sword and it will begin glowing a pale yellow before releasing bolts of lightning in the shapt of a horn that spread outwards allowing it to attack multiple targets.

A little more advanced. This is where actual shape manipulation comes in besides a basic ball. You create horns of pale yellow lightning.

(Raiton: Gian Yari) - Lightning Style: False Darkness Spear
Rank: B
Type: Offense
Range: Short/Long
Chakra Cost: 20
Damage Points: 40
Description: The user emits a spear of lightning from their mouth. The spear can then split apart to strike multiple enemies.

You launch a large spear of lightning from your throat which travels and you can have it split into several bolts if you wish.

(Raiton: Gian) - Lightning Style: False Darkness
Rank: S
Type: Attack
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra cost: 40
Damage Points: 80
Descripton: The user after performing the hand seal snake emits lightning in the shape of a spear from their hands whilst kakuzu lightning mask emits it from its mouth, which then pierces the enemy. Its destructive power is great enough to even pierce through rock; meaning it has a high killing potential. The user can increase the number of spears to attack multiple enemies. This, coupled with the sheer speed of the lightning, makes it a difficult technique to evade. This strong attack can be defended against by an equally strong attack of the same element such as Raikiri.

Same as the above technique only stronger and requires you to use the Snake hand seal and you release it from your hands instead of your throat. THe range here, however, is shorter than the previous.

Any questions, concerns?
 

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Good, now explain the following

  • Advantages of this Method
  • Disadvantages of this Method
  • Strategies using Techniques in this Method


Hint: All these techniques have something(s) in common with one another so you can collectively group them and tell me something(s)that are advantage with every one of these techniques and something(s) that are disadvantages with all these techniques. While thinking of what these techniques have in common with one another, think of how any one of these techniques or some of these techniques can be used in battle. You can think of possibilities involving anything; the other elements, ninjutsu, taijutsu, genjutsu, special areas and abilities etc. Just remember if you think of a strategy using abilities you do not yet have make sure they're something you can get. For example don't think of using these techniques in conjunction with Yin Yang Release :rolleyes:
 

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(B*tch please, Yin Yang Release here i come :lmao:)

Sorry about the late reply, i tend to reply almost immediately.

Advantages of this Method
The fundamental advantage that this method posses is sending out some sort of high speed projectile, with high penetrative powers. This automatically overcomes Earth Techniques/combinations which seek to lock in/encase the user in some sort of dome. Having the natural advantage over Earth simply furthers this effect, allowing even the lower ranking projectiles to do some damage to an Earth technique.

The concentrated beams of lightning which don't branch off into multiple projectiles retain their full destructive capability allowing them to be more efficient against Earth Release techniques. It mainly constitutes to them breaking through Earth walls defenses seconds quicker than the latter method. While it might not seem like much, it could be all the difference in a fight, believe me, i saw a Scorps and Scary Yamato fight xd.

The beams which contain the capability to branch off into multiple projectiles can be used to exceed the width of an incoming wall of water so the entirety of the technique isn't redirected towards the user as the lightning is conducted along the water. Another rather obvious advantage of this method is to strike multiple foes, clones without much effort and to an extent summons.

The ball of Lightning seems to have an exclusive advantage of being concentrated into a fairly small object which could blend into a wall of fire when used simultaneously.

Disadvantages of this Method
This method does entail some daunting disadvantages. Wind is a highly projectile intensive element, its rarely used as a hand to hand offensive. The nature of wind means that gusts of wind that span a large area would insulate the bolts of Lightning, whether singular or multiple and they would effectively become useless.

Another disadvantage of the nature of these projectiles goes back to its relationship with water. Water is another usually large scale technique meaning if a wave of water is tall/wide enough it can absorb all the bolts of lightning and in turn increase the strength of the opponent's technique to a whole new level.

Strategies in using this method

I'll be as concise as i can with this section, i tend to go ramble on when i'm talking about combinations and tactics.

Basic combinations that require no explanation include:
Fusing with walls of water to electrify them
Splitting to avoid hitting into an opponet's Water Technique
Breaking down multiple earth walls by splitting

One combination which just came to mind is using this to break down a defensive wall and opponent constructs and then following simultaneously with a Large Scale fire release technique. The lightning would surely cancel out the wall, leaving little to no time for the opponent to counter the blast and the technique being too large scale to simply "avoid". Going underground is a death trap in our RP seeing as everyone can learn "Earth Release: Swamp of the Underworld". Under the right conditions, this attack will hit 100%.

Another combination could be using flames to mask the presence of the projectiles (they can move freely within eachother), causing the opponent to try to counter the Fire (most likely with Earth or Water), allowing the lightning to break the walls and if water is used then the splitting ability to avoid the whole width of the water by edging to the far sides.

Trapping the opponent in some sort of Earth Dome and then using Lightning release to be conducted along it would be another efficient tactic to use Lighting projectiles. However the dome cannot be touching the floor as the current would simply drain away pretty swiftly.
 
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You did exactly what I expected you to do when it came to these advantages and disadvantages. You spoke in a shallow generalized frame bringing up advantages/disadvanages that cover the enire element as opposed to the specific genre of techniques we address. Yes, Raiton is strong to earth techniques meaning weaker techniques can be used to defeat relatively stronger Doton techniques. It's the same way with any technique. Just as well weaker wind techniques can take down lightning techniques of higher rank. You spoke more on the elemental basis of the techniques and less on the actual specifics of how the techniques are constructed.

You didn't address that these techniques in the first method are projectiles and can cover several different angels, or that they have a fixed amount of power in a fixed direction, their size, or the overall scope of their abilities.

Now, as for your stratigical mind, you seemed to do the same a little bit. However you make mistakes that are fundamental and would most certianly result in you having a mistake if you attempted them in a fight. What do I mean?

Your first explained combination talks about completely neutralizing a wall (of earth I'm assuming you were talking about) with a projectile. Alright, Lightning>Doton, however the scale of size needs to be taken into account. THe earth may be weaker however the individual bolt of lightning may not necessarily take down the whole structure and simply pierce through the earth where it makes contact and continue onwards. It's not going to completely shatter. Also you're playing a little with the timeframe, if you release two techniques, of this magnitude, depending on the situation (if it's right after your opponent set up a wall) they could have more than enough time to defend/counter. You need to remember the frame of time where you act.

With the water, this is a less obvious one but you need to remember the states of matter. Plasma vs. Liquid. Water is the liquid and Lightning is the plasma. Though the lightning is tangible and physical to some degree, there's more stability in the liquid and you just have to be careful and remember that the water could become electrified and not necessarily split the water apart. Now the following is from this guide being worked on. It addresses the general scope of projectile based techniques.
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Advantages to Method

Techniques in this category are quick releases, designed to attack in short to long range scenarios against big single targets, with normal movement speed. Just like projectiles, once they leave your hand it frees you up to attack again with more projectiles or even other types of techniques. Techniques in this category allow for you to launch several shots in succession in most cases allowing you to barrage your opponents from several different angles possibly or use them as a distraction or ploy to force them in directions that would be benificial to you. Large enough projectiles will make it difficult for your opponents to avoid, but not impossible. There can be issues with visability, allowing you to block your opponent's vision while you plot a sneak attack. However visibility aspect is a double edged sword in most cases. You won't necessarily be able to see them unless you have sensory abilities. These techniques are better used in closer distances to disable both the ability to dodge and counter but also to make full use of the speed of these projectiles. The closer you are, the less time they have to hit the opponent.

Disadvantages to Method

Though quick in release, once projectiles are released you have no control over them. It's generally the same in every case with projectile based weaponry minus attachments like wire that allow you control. However in the case of chakra based projectiles like these, after exhaling exit from the point of release there is no real control over the projectiles. The direction you've launched is where it will go and it could be very easy to avoid them with basic techniques that could move you out of the line of fire, like Earth Release Technique or the popular hurricane fist into the air. There is the problem of the rapid fire projectiles. As said previously, as you're allowed to fire multiple shots from certain techniques, yet they don't all have the power of that particular rank, their collective power combined = the rank of the technique as a whole. What this means is, as you divide the projectiles into several shots, they considerably get weaker allowing for your opponent to exploit the weakness. Some techniques may converge at a single point (usually the target) so that they may not be able to avoid harm by just attacking individual shots, there is still that possibility. Those who try to cover a wider range with more projectiles will leave themselves at a disadvantage. The opponent can protect just their frontal or the area of where they're attacking by using weaker attacks protect against individually weaker fireballs or fire projectiles. Another big disadvantage os this method is that these techniques aren't ver prone to combos with other techniques, specially those of other elements. The projectiles are generally so compressed and dense that they explode on contact, preventing them from melting or heating earth that could be used in a combo with them. The sheer concept of a projectile makes it less prone to be comboed with wind or lightning as the projectiles would require insane precision to be comboed with a wind or lightning technique. Projectiles aren't also very usable with water for the same reason as earth as the projectiles would simply "rupture" and not deliver its effect due to the small time in contact with the combo technique. The main disadvantages are that projectiles are fast yes, but less versatile in combat and for the most part, easy to defend.
These were tweaked explanations of mine from Scorps.

As for strategies, we'll look into those later, just let me know if you have any questions or not with any of this. It's a lot to take in.
 

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Ah, i get the idea now, i was being too vague in how these projectiles can be used without focusing on how they work. I'll be sure to do something like that in future. As for the disadvantages, the lack of control idea came to mind but i wasn't sure if it was relevant to what you wanted.

Nah, i don't have any questions at the moment.
 

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Alright then, now we'll proceed.
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Method 2: Currents/Wide Spread

The techniques in this next method all adhere to constant waves or currents of lightning, meaning you're constantly placing chakra into the technique as opposed to projectiles where you gather all your chakra and then release it all in one/several condensed shots. This is where the element gets into the real conductive nature of Lightning. In gathering your chakra for these techniques you will start like you would any other technique, you gather the fixed amount of chakra in the point of release. However, instead of releasing it in a confined condensed projectile you release a constant flow of lightning from the point of release and, generally through a medium like the ground, a weapon, or an object. You will not be releasing your chakra all at once, it will be flowing out of you from the point of release in a steady manor until the chakra you've built up for the technique is gone. Since you're focusing less on condensing the chakra and more on spreading it out to cover a wider range, this takes away from force and peircing ability and you get more of the electrocution properties. The techniques in this method are more so designed to have that stunning and overloading the body with lightning.

Any questions?
 

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Alrighty, srry for the delay.
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Now with that said I want you to describe to me how you would preform the following.

  • Using your hands as medium to create a wave of lightning on the ground
  • Create a stream of chakra through a blade increasing it's sharpness
  • Coat yourself in lightning chakra from head to to like armor
 

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Using my hands to create a wave of Lightning on the ground

To create a wave of lightning the user would rely mainly on shape manipulation and even chakra distribution. Firstly, the user would need place their hands on the ground and begin channeling their raiton chakra around their body, envisioning the effect they intend to create with the channeled chakra. Afterwards, the channeled chakra would be summoned to the user's palms, where the raiton chakra would be molded into a wave rather than a bolt (this is where shape manipulation is key).

Finally, the wave would be emitted straight from the user's palms into the ground below, using it as a medium to travel through. However, the wave unlike a projectile is a constant stream of chakra (much like a current) and would potentially require the user to keep their hands in contact in the ground as they channel the wave into the ground below.

The second paragraph assumes the wave isn't released all at once and instead is channeled through the ground, through constantly feeding the technique (like a continuous current).

Creating a stream of chakra to increase the sharpness of a blade

Compared to the other two, this is a fairly simple feat to accomplish. The user would need to envision the sharp nature of Raiton in their mind, whilst channeling their chakra around their body, the hand holding the weapon as the epicenter. Once a good level of chakra flow is achieved, Raiton chakra would need to be supplied to the weapon in a continuous method, encompassing the sword into the chakra circulation of the user.

Once the chakra is channeled into the user's weapon, they focus on molding the chara to materialize a current of electricity over the sword and using this lightning to sharpen their weapon.

To my knowledge, this kind of technique would last a set number of turns since the chakra is released in set intervals rather than all at once.

Coating myself in an armour of Raiton​

This method would involve the user first channeling raiton chakra around their entire body, allocating an even amount of chakra to every chakra point within their body. After channeling this chakra, the user would need to focus on molding it to begin materializing a layer/armour of raiton which encompasses the user's body, whilst simultaneously releasing raiton chakra to continuously feed the armour of raiton much like a current which needs a continuous release of energy to supply it and allow it to circulate.

The continuous flow of chakra creates a circuit-like cycle until the amount of released chakra equals that of the technique's rank.
 
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For the most part good, still some problems though.

The first problem is in your first description. You say this would relay mainly on shape manipulation, which isn't the case. Shape manipulation refers to the convergance into a definite shape while a simple wave/current doesn't do that. you're merely focusing your chakra outwards expanding the chakra as far and as wide as you possibly can, that is the concept of the wave. There is no heavy emphisis, if at all any on shaping the chakra.

Second problem area is in the first and second descriptions. You're talking about channeling chakra around their body which is not the case either. (1) around the body infers outside the body, which you are not doing in either case except for in the last one. The only time you channel chakra outside is during the release from the single point (2) You're not focusing on the entire body you're focusing on a singular focal point. You mention these focal points but you don't understand that it's not: channel chakra all over the body then to the hand or the sword. Chakra is constantly flowing. Your core of chakra somewhat like the center of gravity is where all your chakra is flowing from throughout your body. Your chakra when you use a technique is being channeled from that core and at a higher concentration to the area of release than the other parts of the body. For example. When you use Rasengan. Your chakra is already flowing from the center out and around your body through your chakra points. When you begin to focus the chakra for the Rasengan into the hand the chakra from the core is being directed in a heavier concentration from the core, through the points leading to your hand and then it is being released outwards when you make the technique. So with these techniques you are:

1) focusing the chakra (raiton chakra) from the core in a stronger concentration into the hands. Once the chakra reaches the hands you're releasing that stored chakra into the ground.

2) you're focusing the chakra from the core into the hand with the sword, once there, you have the sword act as the medium for the rest of the technique and you use fine shape and nature manipulation. Why shape manipulation? Because you're confining the flow of electricity unlike in the first technique. The flow is confined to the sword. It doesn't expand outwards to a great extent it merely looks like a smal aura has been added to the sword. with the fine nature manipulation, you focus on the lightning nature's speed. The vibrations are what cause the enhanced sharpness. The chakra vibrates so quickly that it allows for users to cut through things faster.

3) This is where you channel the chakra throughout the body. You make sure the chakra is flowing through your body and this is a little easier. You are projecting the chakra outwards around your body. minor shape manipulation to confine it to a certian radius around you and to make sure the chakra doesn't explode outwards.

Points of importants I would like you to keep in mind are what you said about maintaining contact with the ground for the first technique. You're the chakra release point, it's connected to your point of release and is traveling outwards. Once you lose contact from the ground you're technique is done. Same with the sword. So essentially, while using these types of techniques you cannot use any other technique without the resulted ending of the current techniques *Hint Hint*

Questions?
 

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I learnt so much from that concerning how chakra works, great explanation. I've always visualized channeling chakra around the body but it seems that's already a natural process. I once heard the stomach area is where all of the user's chakra is concentrated, possibly the core of chakra you were referring to. I'll bare this in mind for all of my other elemental trainings, instead referring to a diffusion of chakra from one place to another instead of channeling my chakra in general.

One question though. When expelling a technique from the mouth, does chakra go from the core to the lungs or to the mouth ? I know this isn't directly related to lightning but will be useful knowledge for Katon, Fuuton and Suiton.
 
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I'll answer the question with another question. How do you normally exhale something?

Just like you exhale normally, the process by which you do so (which includes help from the lungs and then release from the mouth) is the exact same when you exhale anything else. When you blow on something you'll inhale more in order to create a stronger breath correct? Your chakra will go into your lungs as if air and its going to increase the range at which you release through the mouth. Then you have the chakra travel upwards through your mouth. Otherwise, how will you exhale the technique? The lungs don't release wind from outside of your body, it needs an exit point (nose/mouth). So chakra from the core into the lungs up through to the mouth and release. Understand?
 
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