Ending the Swamp of the Underworld technique myth

[Better]

They could but its highly unlikely.
First of all they need to master chakra control and show the ability to transform, walk on water, walk upside down a tree. Then they have to try and balance their chakra with natural energy. I think thats too much for gamabunta and tbh it doesnt seem like the type to be asked.

The frog sage i suppose most likely knows sm, but it is a special case.
Seems even more bright than human xd

xd lol elder sage makes me laugh every time, i wonder if the snake sage is the same?

but yea i see what you're saying, but i could've sworn gamahiro(or whichever toad) was on walls against pein and the cameleon

 

[Blaze Release]

xd lol elder sage makes me laugh every time, i wonder if the snake sage is the same?

but yea i see what you're saying, but i could've sworn gamahiro(or whichever toad) was on walls against pein and the cameleon

That sm snake boss looks serious. Would like to see a fight between the two xd.
Anyway gamahiro the clumsy frog walking on walls?, manga link

Actually now that you mention it, the chameleon was walking on the wall
Actually it was climbing and using his hand and feet. That isnt chakra control;

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[Better]

That sm snake boss looks serious. Would like to see a fight between the two xd.
Anyway gamahiro the clumsy frog walking on walls?, manga link

Actually now that you mention it, the chameleon was walking on the wall
Actually it was climbing and using his hand and feet. That isnt chakra control;

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my mistake i forgot those pipes xd

it'd be crazy, imagine the slug sage O_O he/she is suppose to be the strongest lols

 

[Blaze Release]

my mistake i forgot those pipes xd

it'd be crazy, imagine the slug sage O_O he/she is suppose to be the strongest lols

We'd have to wait and see whether that last legendary location is indeed the land of the slugs

 

[Baka Sennin]

At the highlighted part each path has their own ability and this could be case.
Now that path was caught off guard and with that he sunk before he could constantly expel chakra. If you a ninja with excellent chakra control can stand on water, either chakra infused water or a lake, i see no reason why it cannot stand on a more solid surface such as mud.

Basically if that technique is already created, then yes i believe any ninja with precise chakra control can walk on it. If a ninja is caught off guard, their lower body will sink before they can expel chakra to their feet. And even that depending on the depth of the swamp they can recover and regain their composure.

Im not underestimating the technique because if it catches an opponent off caught and they arent fast enough to expel chakra to their feet and their lower body was to sink, they are vulnerable for the mean time

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that pain was perfectly capable of standing on water, it was the same pain jiraiya drew into his barrier and incapacitated in the end.

and it's not mud, it's a swamp. just like kisame's mizu traps aren't just water or gaara's sand isn't just sand. it's much stronger because it's infused with chakra, and the likes of lee who are very strong were unable to escape kisame's water prison. that's c rank btw, compared to hell swamp's a-rank. only neji, who has the ability to expel chakra from all his tenketsu, could escape the trap.

 

[Ryuu..]

Well played :scorps:

 

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We'd have to wait and see whether that last legendary location is indeed the land of the slugs

it only makes sense xd

 

[Blaze Release]

that pain was perfectly capable of standing on water, it was the same pain jiraiya drew into his barrier and incapacitated in the end.

and it's not mud, it's a swamp. just like kisame's mizu traps aren't just water or gaara's sand isn't just sand. it's much stronger because it's infused with chakra, and the likes of lee who are very strong were unable to escape kisame's water prison. that's c rank btw, compared to hell swamp's a-rank. only neji, who has the ability to expel chakra from all his tenketsu, could escape the trap.

That path was caught off guard and didnt expel chakra consistently. Jiraiya's barrier the water was already there, therefore he knew what to do. With the swamp it was too late. His leg were had already sunk. If the swamp was there from the beginning i see no reason why if he expels chakra from the start he wouldnt be able to walk on it

Also im still not sure why you are comparing it with water prison.
Zabuza has shown us that if chakra is mixed with water, it makes the water heavy and with that if you were to fall in, you would struggle before you can regain your posture and walk on it. Once youve recovered and gotten your lower body out, then yes you should be able to do just fine if you are good at chakra control

 

[Baka Sennin]

That path was caught off guard and didnt expel chakra consistently. Jiraiya's barrier the water was already there, therefore he knew what to do. With the swamp it was too late. His leg were had already sunk. If the swamp was there from the beginning i see no reason why if he expels chakra from the start he wouldnt be able to walk on it

Also im still not sure why you are comparing it with water prison.
Zabuza has shown us that if chakra is mixed with water, it makes the water heavy and with that if you were to fall in, you would struggle before you can regain your posture and walk on it. Once youve recovered and gotten your lower body out, then yes you should be able to do just fine if you are good at chakra control

you're confusing water prison. water prison is the ball of water that trapped lee and the others with kisame's 30% clone, gai,yamato,bee and co vs kisame when he died and kakashi against zabuza. expelling chakra served nothing except for neji, and those were some fine shinobi captured by it.

so this chakra expelling theory is invalid against chakra-infused substances which are trying to suck you in. it's not a question of being prepared or not (not that jiraiya will tell the opponent that he is going to make a swamp appear right under the victim, but whatever), it's a question of whether you have the strength to tear your way out or the speed to outrun the swamp. and not many possess that.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

pain's body got stuck in the swamp because the swap is sticky and hardens pain's body can control their feet's chakra this sir is a failed thread

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[Joon]

I agree to some extent.

However, The "Swamp" Technique is a presumed technique to immobilize individuals or summonings. It's just your speculation or theory that ninja can walk upon the swamp via chakra control without being sucked in. Those making the swamp useless. These may be the case and probably the weakness as every Jutsu has one, but can you provide proof that it is possible? No, because not one ninja/shinobi, even Nagato/Pain, or Orochimaru has shown any knowledge of this being possible.

Even if it is, why would Jiraiya, a skilled and experience shinobi, let his opponent figure out such weakness? So, until proven, no one can dodge this technique.

PS: I know it is probably do to plot.

Edited: <+Reps> Who knows, it might be possible.

 

[Blaze Release]

you're confusing water prison. water prison is the ball of water that trapped lee and the others with kisame's 30% clone, gai,yamato,bee and co vs kisame when he died and kakashi against zabuza. expelling chakra served nothing except for neji, and those were some fine shinobi captured by it.

so this chakra expelling theory is invalid against chakra-infused substances which are trying to suck you in. it's not a question of being prepared or not (not that jiraiya will tell the opponent that he is going to make a swamp appear right under the victim, but whatever), it's a question of whether you have the strength to tear your way out or the speed to outrun the swamp. and not many possess that.

You keep on mentioning kisame mizu's technique and im not sure what you are talking about about. Read it sound as if you are talking about the water prison.

At your second paragraph i believe im right and ive used zabuza as a prime example. If you can see the technique before its used if you were to expel chakra to your feet you should be able to stand on it, if its too late your leg sink and its up to you to get it out.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Swamp of the Underworld is useful against a large number of enemies accoding to the link, these enemies will have chakra control yes? Meaning the chakra under your feet won't work and was shown with Pain's paths and even if You say 'he was already stuck, that's how the tech works, you'd be stuck in 'adhesive chakra infused swamp' according to the link before you can do anything, its a K.O tech,
Body Replacement requires movement how will you move when you're stuck
Shunshin no jutsu requires movement, how will you move when you're stuck.
And you can't simply raise your leg then put in on the sand, its adhesive, it glues your legs then you continue sinking, you keep going down and getting more stuck)
Swamp of the Underworld is...wow. Really awesome.

 

[Blaze Release]

I agree to some extent.

However, The "Swamp" Technique is a presumed technique to immobilize individuals or summonings. It's just your speculation or theory that ninja can walk upon the swamp via chakra control without being sucked in. Those making the swamp useless. These may be the case and probably the weakness as every Jutsu has one, but can you provide proof that it is possible? No, because not one ninja/shinobi, even Nagato/Pain, or Orochimaru has shown any knowledge of this being possible.

Even if it is, why would Jiraiya, a skilled and experience shinobi, let his opponent figure out such weakness? So, until proven, no one can dodge this technique.

PS: I know it is probably do to plot.

Edited: <+Reps> Who knows, it might be possible.

Immobilise summonings? yes, as ive explained majority of summonings arent very chakra control experts. Individuals? depending on their level.

I do agree that the two times its been used it prove successful but that snake and that path arent a good judgement on the success of that jutsu. Maybe if somebody else was to use it a and was countered will we for sure know what this technique is truly made of.

 

[Baka Sennin]

You keep on mentioning kisame mizu's technique and im not sure what you are talking about about. Read it sound as if you are talking about the water prison.

At your second paragraph i believe im right and ive used zabuza as a prime example. If you can see the technique before its used if you were to expel chakra to your feet you should be able to stand on it, if its too late your leg sink and its up to you to get it out.

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This is the water prison technique. And it clear shows, like Gaara's sand, that a chakra infused substance is incredibly hard to escape no matter how good your chakra control is.

 

[Qcks]

I don't see how what OP is showing supports what OP is saying.

Just because there are counters to the underworld swamp technique doesn't mean it's useless. No technique is all powerful.

Also... on the body flicker technique, the underworld swamp could extend out beyond the other person's ability to flicker, meaning they'd still get stuck, so using body flicker as a defense is situational at best. (Also... your panel for using body flicker as a defense against jiraiya's tech is based off of nagato vs the salamander dude, which might have a different abilities compared to Jiraiya's underworld swamp)

The Underworld swamp is useful for making movement difficult for people, and for forcing people to use chakra for movement, and distracting them. If you have to pay attention to where you're stepping your not necessarily paying attention to the original user of the underworld swamp technique.
It's not a smoke bomb, but if you need a minute to gather nature energy for extra sage mode, or you just need the other person to be looking away from you so you can produce a clone, it's a great technique.

If the opponent ignores it, they might get stuck.... that's pretty useful.

 

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This is the water prison technique. And it clear shows, like Gaara's sand, that a chakra infused substance is incredibly hard to escape no matter how good your chakra control is.

So you were talking about the water prison then?.
Anyway if you get caught, then yes its harder to recover

I don't see how what OP is showing supports what OP is saying.

Just because there are counters to the underworld swamp technique doesn't mean it's useless. No technique is all powerful.

Also... on the body flicker technique, the underworld swamp could extend out beyond the other person's ability to flicker, meaning they'd still get stuck, so using body flicker as a defense is situational at best. (Also... your panel for using body flicker as a defense against jiraiya's tech is based off of nagato vs the salamander dude, which might have a different abilities compared to Jiraiya's underworld swamp)

The Underworld swamp is useful for making movement difficult for people, and for forcing people to use chakra for movement, and distracting them. If you have to pay attention to where you're stepping your not necessarily paying attention to the original user of the underworld swamp technique.
It's not a smoke bomb, but if you need a minute to gather nature energy for extra sage mode, or you just need the other person to be looking away from you so you can produce a clone, it's a great technique.

If the opponent ignores it, they might get stuck.... that's pretty useful.

Didnt say its useless. Saying against top level ninja's it wouldnt really be that effective

 

[Qcks]

Didnt say its useless. Saying against top level ninja's it wouldnt really be that effective

Ah... i apologize then. I misunderstood the extent to which you were saying it's not usefull.

I still disagree with your assessment to some degree but it's not as erroneous as i was originally thinking. :noc:

 

[Bijuu13]

idk why your tryna bring down a jutsu thats not even overpowered . if your a good ninja youll find a way out . its used for setting people up, not killing . we get it

 

[TheSages456]

the swamp pulls you in. it doesnt matter if you try to stand on it.