I forgot to mention this in my earlier post. You mention how Manda couldn't walk on it, and then you went on to saying he has no arms or legs so he would have to do what Neji does... Behold the new Manda! He has arms at lest, I think 4 of them xD So he may be able to do the easier one at concentrate it at them points
Well could be 2 arms and 2 legs, since the latter are at the lower end of his body
Ive always heard people when discussing jiraiya's arsenal of techniques mention his swamp of the underworld technique (Doton: Yomi Numa) as if that technique is the be all and end all, not knowing that against any decent opponent it will prove ineffective.
This is the swamp of the underworld;
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First thing ill discuss first is why this technique usually effective against large summonings. As ive shown you in the image above jiraiya used it against one of oro's snake summonings. Now answer me this, when have you ever seen a summoning demonstrate chakra control or any form of chakra control apart from intelligent summonings like ma & pa?. Basically large summonings arent very smart to master chakra control. Now gamabunta is a prime example, in the image below he said he cannot use the henge technique (transformation);
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Why isnt he good at using this technique?. Simple really, because the henge technique requires constant emission of chakra while mentally maintaining the form.
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This is what chakra control basically;
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Basically apart from the fact that chakra control is the ability to use ninjutsu's requiring the bare minimum of chakra needed its basically the ability to constantly emit chakra from any part of your body and this brings us back to the henge technique and this is why i gamabunta couldnt use the technique, because he sucks at chakra control.
Basically with excellent chakra control, you can master genjutsu, medic ninjutsu, walk upside down a tree and most importantly walk on water and this is the purpose of this thread.
Now ive showed you that summonings arent good at chakra control at all.
Secondly ive showed you that gathering of chakra from the feet is said to be very difficult and is even more difficult when trying it on water. Now that snake clearly isnt exactly a chakra control master he is a dumb large animal. Secondly its got no feet therefore how is it supposed to gather chakra by the feet?, the anser is it cannot, but there is one way in which it could've stayed on the surface of the body and this is how. Neji's kaiton (rotation) is the peak of chakra control because can expel chakra throughout his body;
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Now as its been said in the image above even a jonin can only release chakra from their hand or leg. But neji who had perfect chakra control even above a jonin was able to release it from his entire body.
Now if the snake who doesnt have any chakra control at all. Doesnt have feet meaning they cannot master constantly expelling chakra from their feet, they would have to master constantly expelling chakra from their entire body and as ive been said not even jonins can do this. What im trying to say is that this technique would work best on people who have little to know chakra control, either summonings or ninja's and that technique was basically made for that snake and other summonings.
There was one time where this technique was successful against a human. Although it was a dead one. But lets give jiraiya credit for effectively using it against one of the paths;
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Now that technique effective against a pein (why its eyes is closed ive no idea xd). Anyway that technique was effective because it was planned. In this chapter jiraiya uses a katon jutsu which filled the hallway, the only way to escape that katon was to stick to the celing and jiraiya had already used the swamp of the underworld ready for the path to dodge the katon and stick to ceiling;
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Now if you noticed the path had both its legs and hands in the mud meaning escaping is possible but its now harder, but the thing that got the path the most was that it got caught by surprise. If he knew about it, he wouldve constantly expelled chakra from his legs and with that that he wouldnt get caught.
Now if you notice the path had its hands also in the mud due to him taking a rather odd poster. He shouldve done this instead;
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With that he has his hands and with that can would still be able to counter the technique if caught off guards. One way to counter it is to use shunshin no jutsu;
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With shunshin the user can evade it.
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Another way to evade it is with the body replacement technique
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With this technique lets say the swamp catches a ninja off guard and because of this their legs are already in the swamp before they can gather enough to walk on it. With this technique they can replace their body with an item.
Now lets say a ninja cannot use the body replacement or shunshin and was caught off guard therefore their legs is already in the mud before they can mold and expell chakra to their feet. Still with a bit of effort a ninja can regain their vulnerability and restore their composure, by pulling their legs out of the mud and then expelling chakra to their feet after they have pulled their legs out and with that should be able to stand on it. No different to what happened between zabuza and kakashi;
Zabuza before the fight released his chakra into the lake;
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Due to the release of chakra from the start by zabuza into the water, it made the water heavy and with that kakashi couldnt recover in time;
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If you noticed he was regaining his composure but due to the chakra infused water it made the water heavy and with that, it took longer to recover than usual. Its after naruto's plan was he able to recover and with that stand on chakra infused water;
Just thought I'd pop back in with a slightly modified response (seeing as no one saw my first post? xd):
The swamp technique is meant to catch the enemy off guard. When an enemy is standing on firm ground they are not using chakra through their feet, so it is assumed that, if caught off guard, you would fall in and get stuck in the swamp. Then it would depend on your own strength whether you can get out. So basically a much more effective version of Zabuzza's "Heavy Water".
like someone would react when their ground is instantly a swamp and i doubt jiraiya would use a technique in battle that ninja academy students can counter.
There is a clear difference between the two.
Read what this technique does, then read what the swamp does;
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Dont get me wrong. I can understand why people might be confused and see similarities and there are similarities but that technique is cement, it hardens. Swamp is mud it doesnt harden.
Also its no different to zabuza's chakra infused water, which was hard to regain composure by kakashi but once he did he was able to stand on it
the wiki is ppl's translation of wat they think the techniques do... like the stupid d rank jutsu that is said to disrupt reflexes ... everyone uses it like a one hitter quiter... but its just not that effective
Just thought I'd pop back in with a slightly modified response (seeing as no one saw my first post? xd):
The swamp technique is meant to catch the enemy off guard. When an enemy is standing on firm ground they are not using chakra through their feet, so it is assumed that, if caught off guard, you would fall in and get stuck in the swamp. Then it would depend on your own strength whether you can get out. So basically a much more effective version of Zabuzza's "Heavy Water".
Like what he said without any knowledge it happens beneath you in a flash.
Even if you do manage to be strong enough to get out the explanation says it sinks who ever tries to escape. Muscling your way out would be trying to escape.
Ive always heard people when discussing jiraiya's arsenal of techniques mention his swamp of the underworld technique (Doton: Yomi Numa) as if that technique is the be all and end all, not knowing that against any decent opponent it will prove ineffective.
This is the swamp of the underworld;
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First thing ill discuss first is why this technique usually effective against large summonings. As ive shown you in the image above jiraiya used it against one of oro's snake summonings. Now answer me this, when have you ever seen a summoning demonstrate chakra control or any form of chakra control apart from intelligent summonings like ma & pa?. Basically large summonings arent very smart to master chakra control. Now gamabunta is a prime example, in the image below he said he cannot use the henge technique (transformation);
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Why isnt he good at using this technique?. Simple really, because the henge technique requires constant emission of chakra while mentally maintaining the form.
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This is what chakra control basically;
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Ibusi traning naruto in chakra control;
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Basically apart from the fact that chakra control is the ability to use ninjutsu's requiring the bare minimum of chakra needed its basically the ability to constantly emit chakra from any part of your body and this brings us back to the henge technique and this is why i gamabunta couldnt use the technique, because he sucks at chakra control.
Basically with excellent chakra control, you can master genjutsu, medic ninjutsu, walk upside down a tree and most importantly walk on water and this is the purpose of this thread.
Now ive showed you that summonings arent good at chakra control at all.
Secondly ive showed you that gathering of chakra from the feet is said to be very difficult and is even more difficult when trying it on water. Now that snake clearly isnt exactly a chakra control master he is a dumb large animal. Secondly its got no feet therefore how is it supposed to gather chakra by the feet?, the anser is it cannot, but there is one way in which it could've stayed on the surface of the body and this is how. Neji's kaiton (rotation) is the peak of chakra control because can expel chakra throughout his body;
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Now as its been said in the image above even a jonin can only release chakra from their hand or leg. But neji who had perfect chakra control even above a jonin was able to release it from his entire body.
Now if the snake who doesnt have any chakra control at all. Doesnt have feet meaning they cannot master constantly expelling chakra from their feet, they would have to master constantly expelling chakra from their entire body and as ive been said not even jonins can do this. What im trying to say is that this technique would work best on people who have little to know chakra control, either summonings or ninja's and that technique was basically made for that snake and other summonings.
There was one time where this technique was successful against a human. Although it was a dead one. But lets give jiraiya credit for effectively using it against one of the paths;
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Now that technique effective against a pein (why its eyes is closed ive no idea xd). Anyway that technique was effective because it was planned. In this chapter jiraiya uses a katon jutsu which filled the hallway, the only way to escape that katon was to stick to the celing and jiraiya had already used the swamp of the underworld ready for the path to dodge the katon and stick to ceiling;
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Now if you noticed the path had both its legs and hands in the mud meaning escaping is possible but its now harder, but the thing that got the path the most was that it got caught by surprise. If he knew about it, he wouldve constantly expelled chakra from his legs and with that that he wouldnt get caught.
Now if you notice the path had its hands also in the mud due to him taking a rather odd poster. He shouldve done this instead;
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With that he has his hands and with that can would still be able to counter the technique if caught off guards. One way to counter it is to use shunshin no jutsu;
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With shunshin the user can evade it.
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Another way to evade it is with the body replacement technique
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With this technique lets say the swamp catches a ninja off guard and because of this their legs are already in the swamp before they can gather enough to walk on it. With this technique they can replace their body with an item.
Now lets say a ninja cannot use the body replacement or shunshin and was caught off guard therefore their legs is already in the mud before they can mold and expell chakra to their feet. Still with a bit of effort a ninja can regain their vulnerability and restore their composure, by pulling their legs out of the mud and then expelling chakra to their feet after they have pulled their legs out and with that should be able to stand on it. No different to what happened between zabuza and kakashi;
Zabuza before the fight released his chakra into the lake;
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Due to the release of chakra from the start by zabuza into the water, it made the water heavy and with that kakashi couldnt recover in time;
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If you noticed he was regaining his composure but due to the chakra infused water it made the water heavy and with that, it took longer to recover than usual. Its after naruto's plan was he able to recover and with that stand on chakra infused water;
People are foolish to think it's an impossible thing to get out of, or to survive through. But, it doesn't change the fact that it is incredibly useful, even if it's necessary to combine/plan ahead.
Really should stop putting the Ending the "Debates" in the title, nothing can be, nor ever will be resolved.
Yes, thats a counter.
If your leg are already caught and you are like sasuke for example who can emit lightning chakra from all over his body, if he was to release it to his feet that would make life easier for him to pull his legs out
I just read upto part bout snake and how good chakra allows you to walk on water n hOw big dumb animal gets beat... Well hate 2 break it to you but snakes swim!!
