[VS] EMS Sasuke vs BM Minato

[BenjerminGaye]

At the time of Naruto giving out his first round of chakra cloaks, Sasuke was not present in the war, he only received the second round of cloaks.

irrelevant. When sasuke got his cloak it had both naruto and minato's chakra. As evidenced by how the cloak looks.

At this point you’re passing your opinions as fact. Even when the cloak disappeared, Sasuke retained his abilities.

what abilities? What are you talking about? Senjutsu susanno? No sasuke can't do it without juugo. His susanno being that fast and powerful? no sasuke can do it without naruto and minato.

Even when Jugo disappeared, he retained his abilities. Either way, a Sasuke who tracked Obito and was paralleled w BSM Naruto is not losing this fight, and the speed of their avatars will not differ, especially since apparently the speed of a chakra avatar is reliant on chakra strength, and Sasuke’s is much stronger than Minato’s.

Boosted sasuke was fighting along BSM naruto. He wasn't doing by himself. Minato naruto and juugo boosted him. That's indisputable fact. And you know it cuz you cant even come with a good rebuttal. Instead trying to double back to your original argument that already got shat on. And we haven't seen sasuke do any of the shit he did against obito when the cloak disappeared. He used a sword against madara and got crapped on and wasn't seen again until he got boosted by the sage of six paths himself.

Without Rasenshuriken he isn’t breaking or even hitting Sasuke’s Susanoo without taking a beating. And if Sasuke has PS, Minato can say hello to a stomp.

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Lol Cuz minato doesn't have Tailed beast bomb. Lol we're done here.

 

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So,got tired of minato slapping on the older brother so you whipped out the smarter,stronger,better younger brother with the more potential eh? Hahahahaha..Yeah,minato stomps lol(even though i'll give credit where it's due, sasuke would do a lot better than itachi )

 

[KingKongDaddyLong]

irrelevant. When sasuke got his cloak it had both naruto and minato's chakra. As evidenced by how the cloak looks.

There is literally no visual difference between the scans you showed, Sasuke’s cloak disappeared halfway through the battle, and Kurama’s cloak, nor Juugo’s CM Senjutsu put legs on Sasuke’s Susanoo or made it a PS. When Sasuke entered the war, prior to any enhancement, he was moving at the same speed and parallelling BM Naruto. That’s massively faster than any TBB, which is slower than a Susanoo arrow.

what abilities? What are you talking about? Senjutsu susanno? No sasuke can't do it without juugo. His susanno being that fast and powerful? no sasuke can do it without naruto and minato.

Senjutsu Susanoo was only used because Obito was immune to normal ninjutsu. It’s irrelevant here, because Minato is not. Even if you were to say the cloak enhanced Sasuke, the gap between BM Minato, who is weaker than BM Naruto, and EMS Sasuke is much larger than a V1 Cloak can fill. Those cloaks didn’t move anyone up an entire tier, they supplemented chakra and slightly boosted attacks. PS has never been slow, and Sasuke having a Kurama cloak and CS1 didn’t make it start moving 10x faster. It’s going to be able to hold combat with a Kurama avatar, especially given the reach of the sword.

Boosted sasuke was fighting along BSM naruto. He wasn't doing by himself. Minato naruto and juugo boosted him. That's indisputable fact. And you know it cuz you cant even come with a good rebuttal. Instead trying to double back to your original argument that already got shat on. And we haven't seen sasuke do any of the shit he did against obito when the cloak disappeared. He used a sword against madara and got crapped on and wasn't seen again until he got boosted by the sage of six paths himself.

As said above, you using “boosted” to invalidate Sasuke’s War Arc feats is negligible. No boost Minato or Naruto gave was enough to make up for how badly Sasuke outclasses Minato, in firepower, in arsenal, raw speed, and reaction feats. Sasuke also has more chakra than Minato, outside of Kurama. Minato doesn’t have Naruto’s vitality, chakra, or arsenal. If he comes out of his avatar, he’s dead.

Minato only has a chance if by some stroke of luck, he breaks or outlasts Sasuke’s Susanoo. Minato has never shown Multiple TBBs, Sasuke’s “boosted” Susanoo has proven as fast as BSM Naruto’s Kurama Avatar, meaning without a boost he’s at least as fast as BM Naruto and Minato, fast enough to avoid TBB, and Sasuke has Susanoo Arrows, enough to counter TBB in midair, and more than fast enough. Without Rasenshuriken variants, Minato’s damage output is much less than Naruto’s.

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Lol Cuz minato doesn't have Tailed beast bomb. Lol we're done here.

TBB has never come close to Tailed Beast RS, and they’re easily avoidable. Unless Minato were to get very lucky, it’s not feasible for it to touch Sasuke. Sasuke also has a Hawk Summon, and countless Snake summons, (Aoda as large as Gamabunta who is as large as the Kyuubi, let alone half the Kyuubi,) and Minato has no use of his Summoning arsenal, who are all susceptible to Sharingan genjutsu.

Sasuke is going to wear Minato down before vice versa happens. And Minato w/o his Avatar << EMS Sasuke w/o Susanoo. Looking at the imbalance, it actually seems more like Mid Diff for Sasuke.

BM Minato, by feats and portrayal, is highly inferior to BM Naruto, who is by feats and portrayal, either EMS Sasuke’s equal or lesser. He would have to START in his avatar to even have a fighting chance.

 

[Uverdore9]

So,got tired of minato slapping on the older brother so you whipped out the smarter,stronger,better younger brother with the more potential eh? Hahahahaha..Yeah,minato stomps lol(even though i'll give credit where it's due, sasuke would do a lot better than itachi )

Itachi'd beat Minato BM/Base.

Sasuke'd also beat Minato Biju mode.

 

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Itachi'd beat Minato BM/Base.

Sasuke'd also beat Minato Biju mode.

Base minato slaps both of them around then put's them on the curve,that goes double for itachi, no need for BM. Should be obvious at this point

 

[Mellanoma]

Base minato slaps both of them around then put's them on the curve,that goes double for itachi, no need for BM. Should be obvious at this point

Ill say it once and ill say it again. What's Minato counter to BEFORE the fight starts but didnt really start yet minato thinks it started Genjutsu?

The same genjutsu he used on:

Orochimaru
Deidara
Naruto
Sasuke

 

[Uverdore9]

Base minato slaps both of them around then put's them on the curve,that goes double for itachi, no need for BM. Should be obvious at this point

Umm no.

Bee could react to him Itachi is faster than former he beats him up in CQC as he's more skilled as his feats suggest and illusion stuns him. Rendering his movement null.

 

[KingKongDaddyLong]

Base minato slaps both of them around then put's them on the curve,that goes double for itachi, no need for BM. Should be obvious at this point

Base Minato has no defense against genjutsu, it’s arguable if Kurama would even help BM Minato outside of plot. And by feats, Itachi and Sasuke are faster than base Minato (physically). His only saving grace against Itachi is the possibility of leaving an FTG, or outlasting Itachi’s piss poor stamina. Sasuke is both faster and has much more stamina than either of them. Base Minato get stomped into the pavement by any EMS Sasuke. MS Sasuke, is arguable.

Base Minato also can’t break a Susanoo above V1, and can’t touch Enton Susanoo. What were you thinking when you wrote this?

 

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Ill say it once and ill say it again. What's Minato counter to BEFORE the fight starts but didnt really start yet minato thinks it started Genjutsu?

The same genjutsu he used on:

Orochimaru
Deidara
Naruto
Sasuke

Hmmm i feel like i need to make my points easier to understand. Okay here goes, sensory plus instant reflexes. Not one of them ninja you just named(including naruto at the time)were sensor types.

 

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Base Minato has no defense against genjutsu, it’s arguable if Kurama would even help BM Minato outside of plot. And by feats, Itachi and Sasuke are faster than base Minato (physically). His only saving grace against Itachi is the possibility of leaving an FTG, or outlasting Itachi’s piss poor stamina. Sasuke is both faster and has much more stamina than either of them. Base Minato get stomped into the pavement by any EMS Sasuke. MS Sasuke, is arguable.

Base Minato also can’t break a Susanoo above V1, and can’t touch Enton Susanoo. What were you thinking when you wrote this?

What was i thinking? No no no i think the question's that should be asked here is when you watched the anime did you only watch the parts with sasuke and itachi in them and skip over everything else? Did you pay attention to the WHOLE show? And if so were actually understanding what you were watching? He wouldn't require kurama's help, like i splained to skippie up their minato's sensory skills plus his instant reflexes makes reacting to both itachi and sasukes genjutsu's childs plays. You said by feats their both faster on foot? xDDDD Good one, i needed a laugh. You do realize that bodyflickering is considered foot speed due the fact that all it is is one's own physical movements beefed up with chakra to the point where they can move at extreme speeds right? So by FEATS minato drops a huge turd on both of them considering not one of these brothers has ever shown physical movements so fast that they could catch sensors type ninja on the level of KCM naruto and EMS users like sasuke off guard before they even knew what was going on. Think about it..if minato were able to physically move so fast that he was able to surprise both kcm naruto and ems sasuke at the same time while helping them, just imagine what that scene could've looked if he wanted to kill them..To put it in simple terms everyone would've been asking them "where you headed"(think about it)Even in the dream world of the infinite tsukiyomi sasuke wouldn't be able to accomplish a physical speed feat like that lolololol, itachi's f'kd no matter how you look at it xD,To make it more understandable if need be minato could basically bodyflicker (physical movements) faster than what itachi and sasuke could think. Do you not understand that with that feat alone he could literally have both of these clowns dead before the register of a thought? Even so lets say sasuke and itachi's physical movement's were factor(which their obviously not) what would it matter? Minato has already reacted to and countered the highest level physical movements in the series has to offer. Have you ever heard of version 2 ay and 8th gate guy?
In terms of physically speed i really really hope i don't need to tell you itachi and sasuke come no where close to these guy's,neither one them have anything their arsenal with sufficient amount of speed to so much as worry the like's of minato let alone actually catch him,before he catches them, kung fu grips both them by their throats and proceeds to fatality them by ripping them out. Since when does minato need to break the inferior susanoo when the story has already PROVEN that a susanoo user can be separated from susanoo byy a outside entity?(gaara and madara) Uh oh...Now on top of the whole susanoo separating thingy here's the really interesting part, susanoo is made of nothing but chakra and a small amount at that compared to the much larger and unstable sums of chakra minato is used to teleporting(Large tailed beast bombs and truth seeking orbs)putting 2 and 2 together i don't think i need to tell you what happens next lololol. Can't touch enton susanoo you? But minato can take a direct hit from a enton rasensuriken and ftg away perfectly fine? Also, surely you remember minato can instantly teleport ANYTHING him or his chakra is touching AND he doesn't need to PHYSICALLY be present right? Do you realize that also goes for anything touching him? Meaning, its far more risky for them to touch him,than him touch them. Ya know I'm really having a hard time understanding how you could miss all this,like seriously did you not watch the series?? Beating guys like sasuke and itachi is pretty much a day off for minato. Also when does sasuke have more chakra then a guy who has so much chakra that hes able to learn SM when that's like the main requirement to even get it taught to you in the first place? I shouldn't need to tell you minato's chakra reserve feats but i gladly will depending on your answer, even though these boys are f'uked anyway you look at it lol.

 

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Umm no.

Bee could react to him Itachi is faster than former he beats him up in CQC as he's more skilled as his feats suggest and illusion stuns him. Rendering his movement null.

Ummm Yaaah.

Bee is far faster than itach he's actually reacted to instant techniques,whilst ttachi couldn't even react to rigged shuriken and they had to use that whole "he was blind" excuse xDDDD, However,minato could react to bee in mid air,without even looking at him, counter attack,and mark him in single motion LOLOLOLOL. I can't breath right.. Itachi's CQC skills are useless because their far to slow to be considered a adequate challenge for what minato's reflexes are used reacting to..Think about it, minato reacts to the fastest taijutsu attacks the series has to offer and you think he's going to have a problem reacting to itachi's wimpy punches and kicks? xDDDD I freakin love this kid LOOOOL! Yeah,sure fight minato in CQC he said,it'll be a good way to open the mind he said. If itachi fight's minato in CQC he'll literally come back looking like he got his ass beat chuck norris and bruce lee.

 

[KingKongDaddyLong]

What was i thinking? No no no i think the question's that should be asked here is when watched the anime did you only watch the parts with sasuke and itachi in them and skip over everything else? Did you pay attention to the WHOLE show? And if so were actually understanding what you were watching? He wouldn't require kurama's help, like i splained to skippie up their minato's sensory skills plus his instant reflexes makes reacting to both itachi and sasukes genjutsu's childs plays. You said by feats their both faster on foot? xDDDD Good one, i needed a laugh. You do realize that bodyflickering is considered foot speed due the fact that all it is is one's own physical movements beefed up with chakra to the point where they can move at extreme speeds right? So by FEATS minato drops a huge turd on both of them considering not one of these brothers has ever shown physical movements so fast that they could catch sensors type ninja on the level of KCM naruto and EMS users like sasuke off guard before they even knew what was going on. Think about it..if minato were able to physically move so fast that he was able to surprise both kcm naruto and ems sasuke at the same time while helping them, just imagine what that scene could've looked if he wanted to kill them..To put it in simple terms everyone would've been asking them "where you headed"(think about it)Even in the dream world of the infinite tsukiyomi sasuke wouldn't be able to accomplish a physical speed feat like that lolololol, itachi's f'kd no matter how you look at it xD,To make it more understandable if need be minato could basically bodyflicker (physical movements) faster than what itachi and sasuke could think. Do you not understand that with that feat alone he could literally have both of these clowns dead before the register of a thought? Even so lets say sasuke and itachi's physical movement's were factor(which their obviously not) what would it matter? Minato has already reacted to and countered the highest level physical movements in the series has to offer. Have you ever heard of version 2 ay and 8th gate guy?
In terms of physically speed i really really hope i don't need to tell you itachi and sasuke come no where close to these guy's,neither one them have anything their arsenal with sufficient amount of speed to so much as worry the like's of minato let alone actually catch him,before he catches them, kung fu grips both them by their throats and proceeds to fatality them by ripping them out. Since when does minato need to break the inferior susanoo when the story has already PROVEN that a susanoo user can be separated from susanoo byy a outside entity?(gaara and madara) Uh oh...Now on top of the whole susanoo separating thingy here's the really interesting part, susanoo is made of nothing but chakra and a small amount at that compared to the much larger and unstable sums of chakra minato is used to teleporting(Large tailed beast bombs and truth seeking orbs)putting 2 and 2 together i don't think i need to tell you what happens next lololol. Can't touch enton susanoo you? But minato can take a direct hit from a enton rasensuriken and ftg away perfectly fine? Also, surely you remember minato can instantly teleport ANYTHING him or his chakra is touching AND he doesn't need to PHYSICALLY be present right? Do you realize that also goes for anything touching him? Meaning, its far more risky for them to touch him,than him touch them. Ya know I'm really having a hard time understanding how you could miss all this,like seriously did you not watch the series?? Beating guys like sasuke and itachi is pretty much a day off for minato. Also when does sasuke have more chakra then a guy who has so much chakra that hes able to learn SM when that's like the main requirement to even get it taught to you in the first place? I shouldn't need to tell you minato's chakra reserve feats but i gladly will depending on your answer, even though these boys are f'uked anyway you look at it lol.

I’m not reading that. I stopped when you tried to use a BM Minato FTG feat to argue for Minato’s Body flicker. But anyway, KCM Naruto is portrayed as faster than Minato, Itachi is as fast as KCM Naruto, and EMS Sasuke is as fast as BM Naruto. Secondly, reacting to Genjutsu isn’t a thing. By the time the Jutsu has been cast, you are either caught or not, and if Kakashi with a Sharingan, Sasuke with a sharingan, and Danzo with an MS couldn’t prevent themselves from being caught in Sharingan Genjutsu, neither can Minato, especially versus Sasuke who is inarguably faster on foot.

V2 Ay is not even faster than KCM Naruto. Sasuke is faster than him. You are also using BM Minato feats to argue on behalf of Base Minato, who has never been a passive sensor. He actually has to focus on it, like Tobirama. And Sage Mode doesn’t require more chakra than a PS does, hopefully you understand that, Sasuke’s reserves are tiers above Minato’s without Kurama. Minato has never teleported a chakra construct outside of using a barrier, and for him to get close enough to a Susanoo to tag it, he would have to not die in the process. And no one has ever been removed from a legged Susanoo, nor has a Susanoo ever been gripped from the user.

Without Susanoo, Sasuke is still faster, stronger, and has more chakra than Minato. And you can’t use an EDO BM Minato feat of him dying to Enton Rasenshuriken to argue that Minato can tank it, he couldn’t even rank a tail from Kurama.

You’re trolling, and not even doing a good job.

Anyway, to go back on topic:

BSM Naruto > EMS Sasuke > BM Naruto >= BM Minato>>>Base Minato, in a situation where ABC logic applies due to the similarities of Naruto and Minato’s movesets.

 

[Uverdore9]

Ummm Yaaah.

Bee is far faster than itach he's actually reacted to instant techniques,whilst ttachi couldn't even react to rigged shuriken and they had to use that whole "he was blind" excuse xDDDD, However,minato could react to bee in mid air,without even looking at him, counter attack,and mark him in single motion LOLOLOLOL. I can't breath right.. Itachi's CQC skills are useless because their far to slow to be considered a adequate challenge for what minato's reflexes are used reacting to..Think about it, minato reacts to the fastest taijutsu attacks the series has to offer and you think he's going to have a problem reacting to itachi's wimpy punches and kicks? xDDDD I freakin love this kid LOOOOL! Yeah,sure fight minato in CQC he said,it'll be a good way to open the mind he said. If itachi fight's minato in CQC he'll literally come back looking like he got his ass beat chuck norris and bruce lee.

Minato's eight gate gai reacting feat? Well thats blatantly invalid from the fact Itachi is faster than him and he too can keep up with it.

 

[Light up the Darkness]

Minato Rapes

 

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Minato's eight gate gai reacting feat? Well thats blatantly invalid from the fact Itachi is faster than him and he too can keep up with it.

Yeah, sure itachi's faster....only in the illusion granted by the infinite tsukiyomi LOLOLOLOL! And even then he'll still be slower than minato and gai HAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[Uverdore9]

Yeah, sure itachi's faster....only in the illusion granted by the infinite tsukiyomi LOLOLOLOL! And even then he'll still be slower than minato and gai HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Minato's speed came from Hiraishin V2 which he mastered beyond perfection that doesn't translate to having a quick feet. Itachi has leagues greater physical speed arguments to be made upon in a debate.

 

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Minato's speed came from Hiraishin V2 which he mastered beyond perfection that doesn't translate to having a quick feet. Itachi has leagues greater physical speed arguments to be made upon in a debate.

Itachi foot speed came from the bodyflicker like minato's(still physical movements just chakra enhanced) The only difference is itachi just has a incredibly inferior version that's on a much lower scale in comparison to minato's, in reality the gap is a far as heaven and hell

 

[Uverdore9]

Itachi foot speed came from the bodyflicker like minato's(still physical movements just chakra enhanced) The only difference is itachi just has a incredibly inferior version that's on a much lower scale in comparison to minato's, in reality the gab is a far as heaven and hell

Except Minato relied on Hiraishin V2 throughout and was successfully countered by Killer Bee whereas Itachi nigh blitzed Naruto in his KCM Mode.

 

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Except Minato relied on Hiraishin V2 throughout and was successfully countered by Killer Bee whereas Itachi nigh blitzed Naruto in his KCM Mode.

Kcm naruto made itachi's speed look academy level while drastically holding back his real speed and even so bee not even at his fastest had no problem countering itachi's sluggish speed and pushing him back with just sheer skill alone that he would've normally used as though he was training,or in a friendly sparring match whilst bee had to rely lot more on luck against minato and hoped to god he was successful. Come to think of it the only time itachi's speed was ever really a threat was against kurenai and asuma xDDD. Minato's shunshin is far to fast for the sharingan to be able precept this is demonstrated when minato is able to shunshin directly in front of obito's sharingan and grab naruto so fast that obito didn't even know what happened so he had to rely on a trap. Why? Because obito knew minato would be way to fast for him to physically be able to react to. If saving naruto wasn't the objective obito would've been dead right their. However, itachi's speed didn't even play a useful factor against hebi sasuke in their fight unless he followed it up by blindsiding him with a crow distraction, why? Itachi knew his speed would be countered if he came with it directly. Itachi must rely on distractions with his speed minato doesn't.
Its funny itachis has a sharingan and has to use these tactics against a weaker sharingan for his speed to even be acknowledged while minato can speed right in front of a highly advanced sharinga and completely catch it off guard xDDD.

 

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Kcm naruto made itachi's speed look academy level while drastically holding back his real speed and even so bee not even at his fastest had no problem countering itachi's sluggish speed and pushing him back with just sheer skill alone that he would've normally used as though he was training,or in a friendly sparring match whilst bee had to rely lot more on luck against minato and hoped to god he was successful. Come to think of it the only time itachi's speed was ever really a threat was against kurenai and asuma xDDD. Minato's shunshin is far to fast for the sharingan to be able precept this is demonstrated when minato is able to shunshin directly in front of obito's sharingan and grab naruto so fast that obito didn't even know what happened so he had to rely on a trap. Why? Because obito knew minato would be way to fast for him to physically be able to react to. If saving naruto wasn't the objective obito would've been dead right their. However, itachi's speed didn't even play a useful factor against hebi sasuke in their fight unless he followed it up by blindsiding him with a crow distraction, why? Itachi knew his speed would be countered if he came with it directly. Itachi must rely on distractions with his speed minato doesn't.
Its funny itachis has a sharingan and has to use these tactics against a weaker sharingan for his speed to even be acknowledged while minato can speed right in front of a highly advanced sharinga and completely catch it off guard xDDD.

Minato's physical speed is poor considering the factors which led to him using Hiraishin V2 FTG. Itachi overwhelms him easily considering the delicate factors summing up to that.