minato prolly wins this only if he places a ftg seal onto sasukes body or weapon unnoticed. i dont think sasuke could dodge a close range ftg(not like madara since marada had sage charka infused and could sense\react to danger faster) , maybe counter into a stalemate (like bee). ems sasuke wins if he plays his amaterasu(with flame control of course) right (cloaked over his susanoo or body to avoid ftg stamp or even setting all of the ftg kunia on fire)(gen jutsu is useless since minto has ninetails). sasuke does have his shurkin jutsus which are fuckn op so just maybe sasuke could set things up in his favor.
ems sasuke isnt fast enough to even touch the 4th but the fourth atleast has a chance to otk sasuke at high diff.
i lol'd..... rinnegan sasuke blitzes minato & amenos him to death...
Naruto was dodging FTL attacks from jewdara and sasukes speed is comparable so sasuke has FTL reactions... minato is not FTL so he cant blitz sasuke...
minato tries to body flicker & gets ameno'd into an indra arrow
You lol'd? That's so crazy, because i also lol'd when i seen your post in fact i lol'd so much my drink ended up all over my laptop.
Sasuke blitzes minato?? LMFAO!! Sasuke? The guy who has been successfully blitzed is going to blitz minato the guy who has NEVER been blitzed no matter how fast the attack was? Yeah, ya might wanna re-think oi chum lol. Sasuke is going to try and blitz minato has gets beheaded by his counter strike. Game over...No ameno, sorry try again.
When did madara have a FTG attack? LOL sasuke speed is roughly comparable to KCM naruto and that's only when naruto is holding back,besides ameno is short ranged, minato would figure this out ,so sasuke's f'uked no matter how you look at it even shin was able react to sasuke usage of ameno lol. That was funny.
Minato has the best reflexes and fastest bodyflicker in the series(even better than tobiramas),plus he has better precognition and perception than ANY sharingan,and his bodyflicker can't even be tracked by the sharingan. Proof? With just his bodyflicker he's already bypassed obito's hashirama cell-enhanced sharingan,obito didn't even know what happened, and caught EMS sasuke off guard alongside KCM naruto's sensory. In other's words NO sharingan NOR sensory can track minato's bodyflicker. Sasuke's a dead man..
You lol'd? That's so crazy, because i also lol'd when i seen your post in fact i lol'd so much my drink ended up all over my laptop.
Sasuke blitzes minato?? LMFAO!! Sasuke? The guy who has been successfully blitzed is going to blitz minato the guy who has NEVER been blitzed no matter how fast the attack was? Yeah, ya might wanna re-think oi chum lol. Sasuke is going to try and blitz minato has gets beheaded by his counter strike. Game over...No ameno, sorry try again.
When did madara have a FTG attack? LOL sasuke speed is roughly comparable to KCM naruto and that's only when naruto is holding back,besides ameno is short ranged, minato would figure this out ,so sasuke's f'uked no matter how you look at it even shin was able react to sasuke usage of ameno lol. That was funny.
Minato has the best reflexes and fastest bodyflicker in the series(even better than tobiramas),plus he has better precognition and perception than ANY sharingan,and his bodyflicker can't even be tracked by the sharingan. Proof? With just his bodyflicker he's already bypassed obito's hashirama cell-enhanced sharingan,obito didn't even know what happened, and caught EMS sasuke off guard alongside KCM naruto's sensory. In other's words NO sharingan NOR sensory can track minato's bodyflicker. Sasuke's a dead man..
bro if minto fougght ems sasuke no body stamp, minto smashes very mid diff , but if hes against rinnigan sasuke with no stamp he loses low diff
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thats minato blitzing jin obito who no longer has ftg stamp on his body and he got smashed. and rinningan sasuke is faster if not just as fast as jin marada . if sasuke was able to keep up with jin obito with just ems
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(a page before is good to) and protect himself ems, then any chances minato has for an attack is going to be rough without a body stamp.
bro if minto fougght ems sasuke no body stamp, minto smashes very mid diff , but if hes against rinnigan sasuke with no stamp he loses low diff
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thats minato blitzing jin obito who no longer has ftg stamp on his body and he got smashed. and rinningan sasuke is faster if not just as fast as jin marada . if sasuke was able to keep up with jin obito with just ems
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(a page before is good to) and protect himself ems, then any chances minato has for an attack is going to be rough without a body stamp.
Bro do you realize that EMS sasuke was almost killed by mindless obito while covering naruto with his susanoo when he made the comment "its not you who is going to cut away the past,its me" bullshit. Ya know? When juubei obito rushed forward and grabbed naruto and sasukes head and broke through sasukes susanoo just by putting his hand on it in the process, ya know? That moment? Funny fact is that was kcm naruto and ems saskes first encounter DIRECTLY with juubei obito and both of them almost bit the dust lol. Minato's first encounter with juubei obito he was at least able to avoid death. Moving on..
In that same scenario do you realize that if it was not for naruto grabbing minato and him using flying thunder god EMS sasuke would've been dead right their? The ONLY reason he did not die is because he was grabbing on to naruto at that moment. Did anyone see that part?
Minato blitzed obito with footspeed and was so fast that obtio had to resort to a physical BLOCK,because he couldn't dodge it. However in the scene you posted up sasuke and naruto powers are both senjutsu ENHANCED and obito is having no problem avoiding them,plus if you pay attention their were several instances where BM naruto and EMS sasuke HAD to rely on the speed of FTG god just to be able to attack juubei obito. Like i said up their minato's bodyflicker speed by itself already has bypassed the tracking of sasuke's ems and obito's hashirama cell-enhanced sharingan ,even naruto's kurama SENSORY skills, so knowing that what chance does rinnegan sasuke have when his tracking speed did not increase? Minato could easily kill rinnegan sasuke just by blindside counter attacking. Plus sasuke can only ameno on things he can see for a CERTAIN range. Shin was slower than sasuke and not only reacted to his usage to ameno but aslo managed to wound him when he tried to save sarada just by being simply smart and cunning LOl. That would've never happened to minato lol.
Bro do you realize that EMS sasuke was almost killed by mindless obito while covering naruto with his susanoo when he made the comment "its not you who is going to cut away the past,its me" bullshit. Ya know? When juubei obito rushed forward and grabbed naruto and sasukes head and broke through sasukes susanoo just by putting his hand on it in the process, ya know? That moment? Funny fact is that was kcm naruto and ems saskes first encounter DIRECTLY with juubei obito and both of them almost bit the dust lol. Minato's first encounter with juubei obito he was at least able to avoid death. Moving on..
In that same scenario do you realize that if it was not for naruto grabbing minato and him using flying thunder god EMS sasuke would've been dead right their? The ONLY reason he did not die is because he was grabbing on to naruto at that moment. Did anyone see that part?
Minato blitzed obito with footspeed and was so fast that obtio had to resort to a physical BLOCK,because he couldn't dodge it. However in the scene you posted up sasuke and naruto powers are both senjutsu ENHANCED and obito is having no problem avoiding them,plus if you pay attention their were several instances where BM naruto and EMS sasuke HAD to rely on the speed of FTG god just to be able to attack juubei obito. Like i said up their minato's bodyflicker speed by itself already has bypassed the tracking of sasuke's ems and obito's hashirama cell-enhanced sharingan ,even naruto's kurama SENSORY skills, so knowing that what chance does rinnegan sasuke have when his tracking speed did not increase? Minato could easily kill rinnegan sasuke just by blindside counter attacking. Plus sasuke can only ameno on things he can see for a CERTAIN range. Shin was slower than sasuke and not only reacted to his usage to ameno but aslo managed to wound him when he tried to save sarada just by simply smart and cunning LOl. That would've never happened to minato lol.
minato only blizs obito because of ftg body stamp... thier no other way for minto to fight . either he throws a kunia with ftg stamp near the target or sets the targget near a ftg stamp, minato base attack arnt that fast compared to a riakages(hence bee countered him base form) . sasuke has been seen before even having ems dodging a lighting speed attacks and countering in the same instance. unless mintao can get one or two of those scenarios he wins but sasuke isnt stupid idt that sasuke would fall for a contact seal (he probably learned for danzo)since sasuke has witnessed how it works / or figured it out by the time . ems sasuke susanoo senju enhance is fair game if minato has 9 tails cloak.... but even that i think minto win high diff or even shinobi ending career against sasuke ems. but gets stomped by rinnigan sasuke...
minato only blizs obito because of ftg body stamp... thier no other way for minto to fight . either he throws a kunia with ftg stamp near the target or sets the targget near a ftg stamp, minato base attack arnt that fast compared to a riakages(hence bee countered him base form) . sasuke has been seen before even having ems dodging a lighting speed attacks and countering in the same instance. unless mintao can get one or two of those scenarios he wins but sasuke isnt stupid idt that sasuke would fall for a contact seal (he probably learned for danzo)since sasuke has witnessed how it works / or figured it out by the time . ems sasuke susanoo senju enhance is fair game if minato has 9 tails cloak.... but even that i think minto win high diff or even shinobi ending career against sasuke ems. but gets stomped by rinnigan sasuke...
Im talking about juubei obito, he wasn't marked, and when minato tried to rush him he was so fast that it forced obito to physically blocked him. In that same scene against a MINDLESS obito EMS sasuke and naruto almost got killed because they couldn't avoid him,and had to rely on FTG just to survive. Minato was able to avoid a IN CONTROL obito with only the loss of a arm. You seen sasuke avoid lightning when it was at a LEVEL where his perception could actually allow him to see it and avoid it,and even so sasuke dodged ay's version one lighting elbow just to run into a powerbomb, that's not what you call a successful dodge lol. That would've NEVER happened to minato in a million years xD. In minato's fight with ay on the other hand he avoids ays version 1 lightning attack and nearly killed him just counter attacking,and the fight had just began..
Minato perception is so much higher than the sharingan that it can see the lighting speed that you're talking about at a greater level and still avoid it. That's all i gotta say about that lol.
Minato could easily figure anything out that sasuke has,because he doesn't have much in his arsenal that's all that complex to solve. I'll say it again minato has already bypassed the tracking of sasuke EMS with just his body flicker speed,so him marking sasuke with sheer speed will never be the problem.He'll minato won't even need to rely of his speed to mark sasuke anyway,think about it. Sasuke himself is going to give minato more than enough openings and opportunities to mark him because knowing sasuke he's going to be the aggressor in their battle, minato's going to play sasuke like a fiddle and he's not going to even realize it. Susanoo ain't no threat considering minato could simply just teleport it away from sasuke and finish him off lol. Nothing confusing their...
I knew you were kinda slow from the moment you commented me,however i do believe in giving the benefit of the doubt,but you seem like you lose brain cells the more you post lol. If you're seriously implying that minato could not blitz sasuke when he's already outsped the perception of the sharigan on a couple of occasion's, (a hashirama cell-enhanced sharingan,EMS,and kurama level sensory at that)while only using his bodyflicker, when sasuke's using a slow ass technique like indra's arrow than than you sir are suffering from a mental disorder that far exceeds autism. Naruto was able to to smack away 6 TBB at close range. Now mr autsitc PLEASE show me a scan where sasuke was capable of doing ANYTHING close to that, you delusional sad,sad little man. I don't know what you're taking about,typing something like that is small for me lol, hey only because it take's you "slow in the head types" forever and a day just to type up a few words,doesn't mean it takes me that long, and you just don't like to read because you're just simply a moron, i'm surprise you get as far as you do typing that chick scratch of your's. Wouldn't be the least bit surprised if you're over their scratching you head like a chimp right now O.O
Minato was across the forest and bodyflickered over to kakashi and saved him with a mere graze as fast as the earth ninja could swing his sword,and did it the spit second before the blade touched him. Sasuke has done nothing comparable to that. GTFO, the person whispering in your ear telling you to type this bull needs to be slapped with a brick. Sasuke is roughly KCM speed level and that's only when naruto slows it down,why do you think the authors gave sasuke a S/T ninjutsu if the first place skippie? Because sasuke can't outpace naruto in foot speed anymore UNLESS naruto brings it down a notch. Go look at the latest fight dumb dumb. Naruto and sasuke were fighting at equal speeds until naruto had to save sasuke from momo's summoning killing him that's when naruto used a little bit of his REAL his real speed. When in the hell did you ever see sasuke dodge speed that minato has even with his rinnegan? When did it increase your physical speed? Yeah i think its time for you to just shut up anyway lol.
I see the concept of paying attention is new to you...no wonder i feel like i'm talking to a ADD four year older..
Minato has limits to what and how much he can teleport, he lacks Rasenshuriken, lacks the natural reserves, lacks continuous TBB, and the raw strength Naruto has. His FTG is useful, but when the speed is scaled so high, teleportation begins to be less and less useful. He can only attack as fast as he can react
Minato has limits to what and how much he can teleport, he lacks Rasenshuriken, lacks the natural reserves, lacks continuous TBB, and the raw strength Naruto has. His FTG is useful, but when the speed is scaled so high, teleportation begins to be less and less useful. He can only attack as fast as he can react
Perhaps if multiple people are telling you the same thing, and the only response you can piece together is “troll”, you’re the one being illogical. Rather than even disagreeing like a normal person, you decide to try to discredit me, when nothing I said is false.
He is weaker than BM Naruto, hasn’t shown any better reaction feats than BM Naruto, and lacks Naruto’s reserves and techniques. His only advantage over Naruto, is FTG, which is outweighed by all his disadvantages. If he is weaker than BM Naruto, he can’t compete to EMS Sasuke.
its just you. Not multiple people. Infact its multiple people that share my sentiment that you are spouting foolishness. Whats cute is the fact that you say the same thing you reprimand me for to someone else.
Minato has limits to what and how much he can teleport, he lacks Rasenshuriken, lacks the natural reserves, lacks continuous TBB, and the raw strength Naruto has. His FTG is useful, but when the speed is scaled so high, teleportation begins to be less and less useful. He can only attack as fast as he can react
Everything that is bold is false. Minato has to possess an
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The underline is circumstantially incorrect. While its true that ftg may have limits. There hasn't been an instance that puts naruto strongest attacks outside the realm of teleportation. Even naruto's best efforts can get teleported. And the only speed level at which FTG stops being effective Is juubito and higher. Something that BM naruto, BSM naruto, or ems sasuke are nowhere near. And even then, when used correctly someone as fast as juubito
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. Not to mention minato even with 1 arm gone was still confident that FTG lvl 3 would create an opening. Again. Juubito is a tier above The like of EMS, Sasuke and BSM naruto and he still had trouble with FTG. Naruto would fare far worse.
He is weaker than BM Naruto, hasn’t shown any better reaction feats than BM Naruto, and lacks Naruto’s reserves and techniques. His only advantage over Naruto, is FTG, which is outweighed by all his disadvantages. If he is weaker than BM Naruto, he can’t compete to EMS Sasuke.
its just you. Not multiple people. Infact its multiple people that share my sentiment that you are spouting foolishness. Whats cute is the fact that you say the same thing you reprimand me for to someone else.
You said that in reply to enditallsin instead of "disagreeing like a normal person".
Come again?
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The underline is circumstantially incorrect. While its true that ftg may have limits. There hasn't been an instance that puts naruto strongest attacks outside the realm of teleportation. Even naruto's best efforts can get teleported. And the only speed level at which FTG stops being effective Is juubito and higher. Something that BM naruto, BSM naruto, or ems sasuke are nowhere near. And even then, when used correctly someone as fast as juubito
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. Not to mention minato even with 1 arm gone was still confident that FTG lvl 3 would create an opening. Again. Juubito is a tier above The like of EMS, Sasuke and BSM naruto and he still had trouble with FTG. Naruto would fare far worse.
i addressed all of this already. I crapped on this argument already. Dont reply to me with shit already discussed 3 pages ago.
My reply to that dude was in response to his writing essays with no breaks and thinking anyone was going to read it, whilst repeating himself frequently.
Him having reserves, and him having Naruto’s reserves are extremely different. Jiraiya also practiced Sage Mode, do you honestly believe his chakra pool is larger than Naruto’s? Neither of them have ever shown to have reserves on the same scale as Naruto, and judging from how taxing teleporting 1 TBB was for Minato, he’s not coming close to someone who made thousands of clones at the age of 12, and continued on fighting.
Him having the same Kurama means nothing. Kurama isn’t responsible for Rasenshuriken, the fact that you are insinuating that he is is laughable, nor is he capable of performing anything outside of Minato’s (or Naruto’s) body without the combined effort of them both. Meaning that, continuous TBB can’t be attributed to him, in the same way RS cannot. Anything that is not a direct, and sole result of Naruto’s link with Kurama can’t be tied to Minato, especially when Minato’s difficulty with shape manipulation of TBB-like techniques has been highlighted throughout the manga, leading to him not being able to add elements to rasengan, while Naruto’s ease with it, and workarounds have been highlighted. Of course, it goes without being said this extends to his natural, raw strength as well.
Minato has been shown speaking down on his own senjutsu skills despite being able to undergo Sage Mode, and has never been shown utilizing it outside of Edo, lending to several possibilities as far as that goes, however that point doesn’t matter as this is BM Minato.
The scan of FTG you’ve shown is two FTG users against a man who has already been tagged in his youth. It’s wildly inapplicable to the scenario, and says absolutely nothing about his ability to tag Sasuke by himself, while not coordinating someone else’s attack. It’s also never been seen how FTG reacts to Chakra based entities, but being that Susanoo reforms, it’s not likely it can be tagged, or that the tag would remain through reforming. FTG barriers also come at a chakra cost, and leave Minato open to attacks.
Juubito isn’t a “tier” above EMS Sasuke or BSM Naruto in speed. Comfortably higher, yes, massively outclassing, no. They remained capable of perceiving and mentally reacting to him when others could not.
At this point it’s a matter of simple opinion, and I’m not writing 4page letters on the subject. I don’t believe Minato would ever mark Sasuke, I don’t believe he has the firepower to break Sasuke’s PS, nor the attack speed to break ANY legged Susanoo above V3. This is a Sasuke who was confident he could kill BM Naruto after fighting Obito. This is a Minato who felt BM Naruto was a better combatant against Obito than himself. I don’t believe either has the capacity to kill the other while they are in their Avatars, and I believe Sasuke is the superior combatant without Susanoo/Kurama.
My reply to that dude was in response to his writing essays with no breaks and thinking anyone was going to read it, whilst repeating himself frequently.
outside of the no line breaks that's pretty much you. How's it feel to look in a mirror like that.
Him having reserves, and him having Naruto’s reserves are extremely different Jiraiya also practiced Sage Mode, do you honestly believe his chakra pool is larger than Naruto’s? Neither of them have ever shown to have reserves on the same scale as Naruto. and judging from how taxing teleporting 1 TBB was for Minato, he’s not coming close to someone who made thousands of clones at the age of 12, and continued on fighting.
Another lie. Kurama was in control of naruto when performing Continuous TBB. So it wasn't a combined effort. THe same way kurama was in control when he gave kakashi chakra. Naruto had 0 parts in it.
Meaning that, continuous TBB can’t be attributed to him,
Good. Given the fact that the feats that i brought up aren't tied to naruto idk why youre bringing it up. Naruto's only feat is frs. TBB, Continuous TBB, chakra sharing, All of that it kurama, the only thing his link determines is how long bm mode lasts.
especially when Minato’s difficulty with shape manipulation of TBB-like techniques has been highlighted throughout the manga, leading to him not being able to add elements to rasengan,
Now you're mixing two different properties. Rasengan is the highest form of shape manipulation. So To say he had "difficulty" when he invented the pinnacle is fucking stupid. Adding an elemental recomposition is where the difficulty lied.
Side note:it took naruto 3 years to actually master rasengan.Up until the end of the war at vote 3 naruto had to use clones to help him make the technique, where as everyone else that mastered it, did it with 1 hand without assistance(i.e. no sm, no kurama etc). Then it took him another 3 years to master FRs to the same level as seen In the LAST movie.
while Naruto’s ease with it, and workarounds have been highlighted. Of course, it goes without being said this extends to his natural, raw strength as well.
Minato has been shown speaking down on his own senjutsu skills despite being able to undergo Sage Mode, and has never been shown utilizing it outside of Edo, lending to several possibilities as far as that goes, however that point doesn’t matter as this is BM Minato.
Do you even read the manga? The mark from obito's youth
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That was done Via tobirama's tag. Something he put on obito in combat.
It’s wildly inapplicable to the scenario, and says absolutely nothing about his ability to tag Sasuke by himself, while not coordinating someone else’s attack.
You only feel that way because you missed the point. It shows that Even up again someone as fast as juubito the benefits of FTG being instant still trips up the ten tails jinchuriki. Which is a direct counter to your idiotic claim of:
FTG is useful, but when the speed is scaled so high, teleportation begins to be less and less useful.
Its still 100% useful. Even against opponents massively faster than they are normally. Put it like this. Naruto and sasuke were only able to land a clean on hit Juubito via
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It’s also never been seen how FTG reacts to Chakra based entities, but being that Susanoo reforms, it’s not likely it can be tagged, or that the tag would remain through reforming. FTG barriers also come at a chakra cost, and leave Minato open to attacks.
irrelevant to the discussion. If minato comes in contact with sasuke's susanno, then he simply teleports sasuke out of the susanoo.
Juubito isn’t a “tier” above EMS Sasuke or BSM Naruto in speed. Comfortably higher, yes, massively outclassing, no. They remained capable of perceiving and mentally reacting to him when others could not.
he only had 1 arm, cutting his jutsu possibilities. And even then that same minato felt that FTG lvl 3 would
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I don’t believe either has the capacity to kill the other while they are in their Avatars, and I believe Sasuke is the superior combatant without Susanoo/Kurama.
Even when you try to act superior you come off stupid. Ted talks cover a variety of topics. And while some are to educate others are literally stand up comedy.
