[VS] EMS Sasuke vs BM Minato

[KingKongDaddyLong]

outside of the no line breaks that's pretty much you. How's it feel to look in a mirror like that.



Good thing you said natural reserves, and not naruto's reserves.

I'm not gonna entertain you moving the goalpost.

Also on that TBB bit. Not

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And its almost as if youre forgetting what kurama does to one's

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. But then again that kind of stupidity is expected from you.



Case in point.




Care to quote me saying that kurama is responsible for frs?


Another lie. Kurama was in control of naruto when performing Continuous TBB. So it wasn't a combined effort. THe same way kurama was in control when he gave kakashi chakra. Naruto had 0 parts in it.


except that it can As seen at Madara vs Hashirama at VOTE, kurama doesn't need a jin to perform Continuous TBB.


Good. Given the fact that the feats that i brought up aren't tied to naruto idk why youre bringing it up. Naruto's only feat is frs. TBB, Continuous TBB, chakra sharing, All of that it kurama, the only thing his link determines is how long bm mode lasts.

Now you're mixing two different properties. Rasengan is the highest form of shape manipulation. So To say he had "difficulty" when he invented the pinnacle is fucking stupid. Adding an elemental recomposition is where the difficulty lied.

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Side note:it took naruto 3 years to actually master rasengan.Up until the end of the war at vote 3 naruto had to use clones to help him make the technique, where as everyone else that mastered it, did it with 1 hand without assistance(i.e. no sm, no kurama etc). Then it took him another 3 years to master FRs to the same level as seen In the LAST movie.

See above. @ bold. Explain how.



He

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the same thing the

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said. Can't maintain it for too long. Takes too long to build chakra. So cut it out.




Do you even read the manga? The mark from obito's youth

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That was done Via tobirama's tag. Something he put on obito in combat.



You only feel that way because you missed the point. It shows that Even up again someone as fast as juubito the benefits of FTG being instant still trips up the ten tails jinchuriki. Which is a direct counter to your idiotic claim of:



Its still 100% useful. Even against opponents massively faster than they are normally. Put it like this. Naruto and sasuke were only able to land a clean on hit Juubito via

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irrelevant to the discussion. If minato comes in contact with sasuke's susanno, then he simply teleports sasuke out of the susanoo.

Yes he is. The same way weightless rock lee is a tier above all the other genin in speed. Even sakura can still as you so kindly put "

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" but it dont mean shit when even with the weights on susuke with an active sharingan still got his

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nope. Ive given you facts based on manga scans. And all youre done as i already predicted was to continue spouting foolishness.




Youre lucky i even gave you time of day.

If sasuke engages in cqc hes getting marked.


continuous tailed beast bomb takes care of any susanoo.


cuz clearly that sasuke has seen all that naruto had to offer. . . oh wait.


he only had 1 arm, cutting his jutsu possibilities. And even then that same minato felt that FTG lvl 3 would

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again, continuous tailed beast bomb or simply ftg him out of it. Lol at bold.



Even when you try to act superior you come off stupid. Ted talks cover a variety of topics. And while some are to educate others are literally stand up comedy.

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you fall into this section but you're not even funny. Just annoying. Last reply tired of killing your ass.

You said ALL this to say...

I was comparing him to Naruto, so me saying he lacked THE raw reserves would have been enough to signify to any semi-intelligent person that I was referring to Naruto’s chakra reserves, which, as an Uzumaki, on TOP of being Minato’s son, are far larger than Minato’s own.

Minato is the only user of Sage Mode, other than Jiraiya, with his notes difficulties, that has highlighted how ineffective his Sage Mode is, on top of the fact that it literally brought zero results to the battle, and the fact that Naruto didn’t have his same drawbacks, which Kurama helped him to overcome, should be a signal that Minato’s senjutsu is not all that. Why it’s a topic of discussion, I don’t know being this is BM Minato.

Regardless of how it occurred, the feat against Obito isn’t a result of Minato’s FTG, it’s a result of the coordination between four individuals against Obito. He could not perform anything close to that by himself, and even THAT, required the security of being an Edo to get the tags onto him. There’s no way in hell, heaven, or Earth he’s landing a tag on Sasuke, who has an EMS, who is faster by feats, and can materialize a chakra avatar in an instant.

“teleports Sasuke out of Susanoo” Susanoo is linked between itself and the user, and no-one has ever been removed from a legged Susanoo. Not that it matters because Minato would be deceased if he ever got close enough to touch Susanoo with his bare hands.

Again, with continuous TBB, and all other Kurama feats, Kurama cannot perform physical acts outside his host’s body. He can assist them, help them knead chakra, and offer them chakra, but he cannot materialize and shoot a TBB. It’s a FEAT Minato doesn’t have. With the logic you’re using to scale Naruto to exact Minato levels, we can scale Sasuke’s PS to Madara’s, and a TBB isn’t breaking it.

All this said not even mentioning the fact that Sasuke has access to Aoda (and presumably other similarly sized snakes), and his Hawk, making him much more mobile than Minato without FTG, not to mention absolutely negating any summoning ability Minato has.

You can continue cherry picking the manga and reveling in your anime forum “superiority” if you like, but that’s all you’re getting from me!

 

[Tapey]

Bm Minato

 

[Styles]

Sasuke wins high dif.

 

[EZQ]

Sasuke has faster speeds than minato.....by feats..

HOLLY SHIT

Lmao. Tell me this dude is a troll. Every single time i see this kind of post, it's from him.

 

[Styles]

:wut: Are people here really saying Naruto and Minato’s Kurama chakra along with Juugo’s was the reason Sasuke was able to use legged Susano’o and PS?

 

[Uverdore9]

:wut: Are people here really saying Naruto and Minato’s Kurama chakra along with Juugo’s was the reason Sasuke was able to use legged Susano’o and PS?

Yes they're. Are they correct

 

[Styles]

Yes they're. Are they correct

no, no they’re not.

 

[Uverdore9]

no, no they’re not.

Do you've proof he could awaken PS before? Though I'm a Sasuke Supporter I'm a bit confused and unsure on this part.

 

[Styles]

Do you've proof he could awaken PS before? Though I'm a Sasuke Supporter I'm a bit confused and unsure on this part.

The proof is he literally made a PS right after JJ Obito’s TSB hands earased his Chaka cloak and he formed a PS right after. There is also his comment to Naruto when Naruto asked if he could keep up.

 

[Booker]

Base Minato has no defense against genjutsu, it’s arguable if Kurama would even help BM Minato outside of plot. And by feats, Itachi and Sasuke are faster than base Minato (physically). His only saving grace against Itachi is the possibility of leaving an FTG, or outlasting Itachi’s piss poor stamina. Sasuke is both faster and has much more stamina than either of them. Base Minato get stomped into the pavement by any EMS Sasuke. MS Sasuke, is arguable.

Base Minato also can’t break a Susanoo above V1, and can’t touch Enton Susanoo. What were you thinking when you wrote this?

This is the stupid shit I come back to read? lol

 

[BenjerminGaye]

:wut: Are people here really saying Naruto and Minato’s Kurama chakra along with Juugo’s was the reason Sasuke was able to use legged Susano’o and PS?

Nobody said that. We said that its an undeniable fact that having senjutsu chakra and 9 tails chakra bolstered the strength of his jutsu. You know like what it did for

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To deny that would be insanity. Sasuke isn't a special case here.

So logically. The speed, power, and endurance of sasuke susanoo, goes down quite a bit. Without naruto, minato, and juugo, Boosting him.

 

[Mellanoma]

Nobody said that. We said that its an undeniable fact that having senjutsu chakra and 9 tails chakra bolstered the strength of his jutsu. You know like what it did for

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To deny that would be insanity. Sasuke isn't a special case here.

So logically. The speed, power, and endurance of sasuke susanoo, goes down quite a bit. Without naruto, minato, and juugo, Boosting him.

May have made it EASIER for him but i dont think thats the reason he achieved perfect and legged susanoo.


Without the boost Im sure he could get it but it may have been extremely taxing on him.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

May have made it EASIER for him but i dont think thats the reason he achieved perfect and legged susanoo.


Without the boost Im sure he could get it but it may have been extremely taxing on him.

again. Nobody said that. Sage mode, and kurama chakra doesn't give you new jutsu. It multiplies already existing abilities. Therefore every feat shown by sasuke when he was on curse mark and kurama chakra would have to be scaled down. he'd still have ps and legged susanoo. But it not gonna be anywhere near as strong as it was shown vs obito. for obvious reasons.

 

[Uverdore9]

again. Nobody said that. Sage mode, and kurama chakra doesn't give you new jutsu. It multiplies already existing abilities. Therefore every feat shown by sasuke when he was on curse mark and kurama chakra would have to be scaled down. he'd still have ps and legged susanoo. But it not gonna be anywhere near as strong as it was shown vs obito. for obvious reasons.

What does the DB say regarding this issue?

 

[WoldOfFingo]

What does the DB say regarding this issue?

minato easily

 

[Uverdore9]

minato easily

Umm I think you misunderstood my question. I actually asked what the DB says regarding Sasuke purpotedly manifesting PS after Juugo's Chakra/BSM Amp.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Umm I think you misunderstood my question. I actually asked what the DB says regarding Sasuke purpotedly manifesting PS after Juugo's Chakra/BSM Amp.

They're not connected to Iso Susanoo or PS because they only boost the stregth of existing jutsu not allow you to perform new ones. I know Naruto fans argue that they grant new abilities but it's stupid since nobody using them gained new abilities only stronger existing jutsu. Also Susanoo is a yin based tech compared to genjutsu so I dont see it being boosted by a yang based cloak. On top of that the only thing that Jugo's senjutsu chakra is known to have done is allow Sasuke to hit Obito we can't give it TSM feats as it's not the same.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

What does the DB say regarding this issue?

Why would i refer to databook when manga made it very clear. It's not even an issue.

They're not connected to Iso Susanoo or PS because they only boost the stregth of existing jutsu not allow you to perform new ones. I know Naruto fans argue that they grant new abilities but it's stupid since nobody using them gained new abilities only stronger existing jutsu. Also Susanoo is a yin based tech compared to genjutsu so I dont see it being boosted by a yang based cloak. On top of that the only thing that Jugo's senjutsu chakra is known to have done is allow Sasuke to hit Obito we can't give it TSM feats as it's not the same.

Yin based tech:

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Boosted by a yang based cloak:

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So even in that regard youre incorrect. But going even further. Minato gave sasuke his

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so sasuke still got a yin boost. And finally orochimaru flat out states when juugo's chakra did:

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and we already know the benefits of senjutsu even though you continue to play dumb.

 

[Master Omi]

Sasuke did have faster foot speed than Minato, Sasuke caught up to Juubidara.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Yin based tech:

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Boosted by a yang based cloak:

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You're wrong here it's not semi Yin Susanoo is compared to Genjutsu:

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This is what C says after Sasuke uses the Susanoo.

So even in that regard youre incorrect. But going even further. Minato gave sasuke his

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so sasuke still got a yin boost.

You know that's nonsense right? Yin Kurama and Yang Kurama are pretty much the same. Naruto used yin to restore his yang chakra so that points out. On top of that all of those that were boosted by the cloak were shown boosted or claimed a boost Sasuke does no such thing.

And finally orochimaru flat out states when juugo's chakra did:

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and we already know the benefits of senjutsu even though you continue to play dumb.

Orochimaru doesn't once say Susanoo was boosted he's just D riding Sasuke as always. And no we don't know the benefits of Senjitsu as all senjutsu aren't the same.