EMS Sasuke & KCM Naruto

EMS Sasuke equal to KCM Naruto?


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KidGamer65

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Ems Sasuke's big Susanoo will match Bm naruto. Bookmark this post and rub it in their faces when it turns out true.

This is honestly what is most likely going to happen. It makes absolutely no sense for Sasuke to get a random power up out of nowhere and there is a reason Kishimoto has been saving Naruto's Bijuu Mode (Restricted to KCM) and Sasuke's Final Susanoo. (Restricted to Level 3 Susanoo)
 

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Ems Sasuke's big Susanoo will match Bm naruto. Bookmark this post and rub it in their faces when it turns out true.

It'll take PS, nothing less. Remember in the viz clearup thread where you revealed that Madara sated that his PS rivals biju? I do think Sasuke with PS=BM Naruto, but don't think current EMS Sasuke without PS=BM Naruto.
 

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Ems Sasuke's big Susanoo will match Bm naruto. Bookmark this post and rub it in their faces when it turns out true.
If you're talking about the one he used against the Zetsu then I have to disagree.

He'll need a bigger one than that to match BM Naruto.

Though at the same time, I think many will be surprised by how strong Sasuke's final Susanoo is.
 

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It'll take PS, nothing less. Remember in the viz clearup thread where you revealed that Madara sated that his PS rivals biju? I do think Sasuke with PS=BM Naruto, but don't think current EMS Sasuke without PS=BM Naruto.

That simply means that his PS has the destructive power of a Bijuu (Mountain busting) Not that PS is literally all around equal with a Bijuu. You are taking that statement far too literally.
 

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That simply means that his PS has the destructive power of a Bijuu (Mountain busting) Not that PS is literally all around equal with a Bijuu. You are taking that statement far too literally.

How does this change things?
 

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EMS sasuke > fodderize KCM NarutO :|
 

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This is honestly what is most likely going to happen. It makes absolutely no sense for Sasuke to get a random power up out of nowhere and there is a reason Kishimoto has been saving Naruto's Bijuu Mode (Restricted to KCM) and Sasuke's Final Susanoo. (Restricted to Level 3 Susanoo)
I simply don't see how the Final Susanoo Sasuke used against the Zetsu's could possibly match BM Naruto.
 

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I simply don't see how the Final Susanoo Sasuke used against the Zetsu's could possibly match BM Naruto.

Me neither, I personally don't think it can right now but for some reason I just see this happening. He's been making them look on par this whole time ever since Sasuke got on the battlefield, and he's been reserving their two strongest powers (Final Susanoo & Bijuu Mode) not to mention we haven't seen Final Susanoo in a proper fight. I doubt he'd break this parallel he has going on by making BM Naruto leagues above Sasuke when they activate their best powers.

From a feats outlook, you're right. This new Susanoo can't match BM Naruto, but from a story outlook I see it happening.
 

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Hmmm kidgamer you may be right you know, let's just wait and see sha.
 

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No it does not.

KCM Naruto is still above him, EMS Sasuke needs to show us more feats.

Until then, KCM Naruto > EMS Sasuke
 

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Kcm = little Susanoo
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Bm = Big Susanno
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100% Kyubi = Perfect Susanoo
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That's how it'll go. As of now, there's simply no evidence of a massive gap in power. Everyone from Naruto to Minato is suggesting the two are equal, and let's not forget that Sasuke's Enton: Kagu-Tsuchi destroyed Naruto's Kyubi Rasenshuriken, because the chakra was stronger. Sasuke has had a fairly obvious increase in chakra since the Kage summit days where he'd start panting just from bringing out Susanoo and run out in no time.
 

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Kcm = little Susanoo
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That's how it'll go. As of now, there's simply no evidence of a massive gap in power. Everyone from Naruto to Minato is suggesting the two are equal, and let's not forget that Sasuke's Enton: Kagu-Tsuchi destroyed Naruto's Kyubi Rasenshuriken, because the chakra was stronger. Sasuke has had a fairly obvious increase in chakra since the Kage summit days where he'd start panting just from bringing out Susanoo and run out in no time.
1. Sasuke's enton consuming Rasenshuriken is because of its nature (fire), it had nothing to do with his chakra being stronger.

2. Based on the feats we've seen, Sasuke's Final Susanoo doesn't come anywhere close BM Naruto.
 

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1. Sasuke's enton consuming Rasenshuriken is because of its nature (fire), it had nothing to do with his chakra being stronger.
Nope, it consumed the chakra because Sasuke didn't properly match Naruto's output, so it simply used Naruto's jutsu as a source to grow bigger. In the last case however, the flames didn't consume the Rasenshuriken and grow larger. They simply replaced the windmill part of the jutsu.

2. Based on the feats we've seen, Sasuke's Final Susanoo doesn't come anywhere close BM Naruto.
Based on the writing direction Kishimoto is taking, Naruto is not stronger than Sasuke. Big Susanoo is also unknown for the most part; Kishimoto never stated it was weaker. Nope. Evidence to the contrary.
 

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Nope, it consumed the chakra because Sasuke didn't properly match Naruto's output, so it simply used Naruto's jutsu as a source to grow bigger. In the last case however, the flames didn't consume the Rasenshuriken and grow larger. They simply replaced the windmill part of the jutsu.


Based on the writing direction Kishimoto is taking, Naruto is not stronger than Sasuke. Big Susanoo is also unknown for the most part; Kishimoto never stated it was weaker. Nope. Evidence to the contrary.
Interesting, I think I can agree with you on the Rasenshuriken bit.

There's no way Sasuke's Final Susanoo can stand up to BM Naruto. BM Naruto has the destructive capability to bust mountains, Sasuke's Final Susanoo simply can't compare. The only Susanoo that can be compared to a Bijuu is Perfect Susanoo. I say this as a Sasuke fan.

Note, everything I'm saying is based on the best Susanoo Sasuke has pulled out thus far. If he can pull out a much bigger Final Susanoo then I'll change my tune.
 

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There's no way Sasuke's Final Susanoo can stand up to BM Naruto. BM Naruto has the destructive capability to bust mountains, Sasuke's Final Susanoo simply can't compare.
You're looking at this as a vs thing. The author is show far portraying this as a contribution thing; two people working together. Naruto's current Kyubi transformation isn't going to be leaps and bounds ahead of Big Susanoo. Not when Minato still has to give him the remaining chakra, and Sasuke still has to perfect his Susanoo. They both have 2 steps left.

Note, everything I'm saying is based on the best Susanoo Sasuke has pulled out thus far. If he can pull out a much bigger Final Susanoo then I'll change my tune.
He probably can, based, on the obvious improved chakra capacity.
 

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You're looking at this as a vs thing. The author is show far portraying this as a contribution thing; two people working together. Naruto's current Kyubi transformation isn't going to be leaps and bounds ahead of Big Susanoo. Not when Minato still has to give him the remaining chakra, and Sasuke still has to perfect his Susanoo. They both have 2 steps left.


He probably can, based, on the obvious improved chakra capacity.
Okay I guess we'll see.
 

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In recent chapters, it's been shown that EMS Sasuke is capable of keeping up with KCM Naruto.
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Does this prove that EMS Sasuke is at least equal to KCM Naruto?

Not at all, You're comparing Sasuke to a Naruto who entered the war right out of training and fought for 2-3 days. Naruto's only rest was when Sakura healed him and even when that happened it doesn't mean Naruto is at full strength. Even when Tsunade heal someone she would tell them to rest for days to weeks before being fully healed so a Naruto who pushed himself to his limits (this was Naruto using his KM power from training to in the war) while fighting the Jinchuurikis to then start using Kurama's power when they became friends, to using the chakra that the Bijuus gave Naruto, to Kurama recharging his chakra which Naruto gave to the Alliance, the Kurama recharged his chakra again which is what Naruto currently using.

Sasuke hasn't done really anything compared to Naruto to really say he's equal to even KM, KM Naruto who wasted a lot of chakra in training and was exhausted in that training split his power 1/13th by making 12 clones to fight in each battle field and 1 clone beat Muu and the 3rd Raikage with minimal help. That's 2 kages.


Speed means nothing, smarts mean a lot though, doesn't matter if Naruto was the sage himself he still wouldn't beat Sasuke because that's the only thing he evolve in, jutsu. Jutsu doesn't make you a ninja or superior to anyone.

Is that why A was going to kill Sasuke with speed and power alone? Sasuke's only defense from A's final blow was Amaterasu and A's attack was going to go thru that and kill Sasuke but Gaara stopped him to talk to Sasuke. A would have lost a leg but still would have won with power and speed alone. And Naruto beat many people who you can say is smarter than him, Naruto is smart in his own way and that's how he managed to beat many of those who ere stronger than him. Naruto out smarted Kakuza who was smart enough to handle Kakashi and Shikamaru's plan which lead them to separate Hidan and Kakuza.

It was Naruto who figured out the Raikage's weakness when the whole cloud village couldn't. Naruto knew what questions to ask and who to ask. Sasuke's analyzing skills came from his Sharingan so it's not like he has high analyzing skills that he developed himself like Minato or Shikamaru. It's not that hard for someone to form a plan when you have eyes that can see through ninjutsus, genjutsus and taijutsus.

EMS Sasuke is stronger than KM but weaker than BM.

How so? Naruto was using KM chakra in his training with Bee then entered the war with no rest, split his power 1/13th with 12 clones and trained/fought for 2-3 days all with KM power than ran out in his fight with Bijuus then got all of Kurama's power when they became friends. shows Naruto stating he used a lot of chakra and was tired and shows Naruto exhausted (note sweats) and injured yet says no when Bee recommended taking a break. He enters the war right after it.

No, EMS >> KCM

PS = The Bijuu

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Madara said PS equal the power of "the bijuu". Bijuus power differ among each and Madara it's not going to be high Bijuu like the 8 or 9 tails because why would he need the 9 tails if his PS had power equal to it? PS is more like even power range of one tails to nine tails. BM Showed he had power equal to 5 Bijuus (2-7) combined when he charged up his tbb to equal theirs.

Sasuke = Sage Mode Naruto

Sharingan Sasuke= KCM Naruto

EMS Sasuke >>> BM Naruto

Sadly for you Zetsu said SM Naruto was > MS Sasuke and now Narutocan fuse with Ma and Pa since Kurama is his friend. Frog song will stop Sasuke while Naruto delivers the final blow. That makes KM=/> EMS Sasuke. My posts above will explain why.

Sasuke is an Uchiha and he also has a type of curse mark sage mode...idk wtf that thing is that jugo gave him :|

But it doesn't matter, the jin is at its best when released from a host.
Yes its a combination of all not one dude, of course he's going to look like a bad@ss.

Juugo only gave him chakra to make the zetsu spores grow, Sasuke does not have the curse seal. Juugo gave Sasuke some of his own flesh when Bee blew it off, he didn't receive the curse mark here but in the fight after that (with A) Karin sensed Sasuke's chakra as darker than Curse seal 2 which can be from Juugo's flesh/chakra he gave him. Madara said "the Bijuu" while we know the Bijuu's power varies amongst them, we can also conclude PS not having power not having power equal to high level bijuus or why would he need Kurama to fight Hashirama? So PS power is like average power of bijuu 1-9. And Naruto showed power equal to 5 bijuus combine (2-7) when they shot an equally powered tbb.

Okey you kinda stupid but w/e. Sasuke was capable to fight with A which is fast as Naruto maximum speed. And then Sasuke was only MS now his power is much more increased So Sasuke > Naruto. The end deal with it. Brain always win.

Umm... no... Sasuke had Suigetsu and Juugo help and actually needed it while A had minimal help which he didn't need. The moment A went lightning armor version 2 Sasuke could do nothing but defend. Sasuke could see A's movements be was not fast enough to react also Sasuke said how he can read movements better if they move in a linear line so if they move around then it wouldn't be as easy to read.

Naruto KM is faster A, when A moves around you don't really see anyone comment on it except about how fast he is but when Naruto first moved with his KM speed, Bee commented of only seeing a flash. Bee is use to A's Speed and know how fast his brother is but Bee wasn't sure if that was even Shinshun (body flicker jutsu) when Naruto first did it . Bee being able to follow A's speed but not Naruto's shows the difference. And Naruto beat many people smarter than him and he has his own smartness in battles.

Yes but you give one person awerage stats in speed strenght power and skill and inteliigence then he will beat smart guy who only have brain, but if he had awerage stats at power strenght skill and low low speed and huge intelect he will win vs first guy.

BTW: Sasuke have stronger jutsu, inteligent and analizing skills. when Naruto have stamina chakra and speed. I prefere Sasuke ability

Sorry for m bad english.

Sasuke has stronger jutsus? Susanoo, Amaterasu/Enton, and Karin are he S rank jutsus he has Naruto has rasen shuriken, Rasenkyuugan ( ), Rasenrangan ( ), Wakuseirasengaon ( ), Chou mini bijuudama ( ), Bijuudama that equals the power of 5 Bijuus "2-7" so it's higher than S rank ( ), Fuuton- Chou Oodama rasenshuriken ( ) and Chou oodama rasengan ( ).

Sasuke is holding back and keeping up with KCM Naruto granted Nbm Naruto is tired, but we haven't seen a single EMS feat for Sasuke only MS. My speculation EMS Sasuke>KCM; Sasuke EMS??Naruto. Simply put we haven't seen enough feats from Sasuke in order to accurately rank his power.

Naruto is beyond tired, he was tired and injured in his training with Bee and entered the war with no rest. , , , These are all different chapters all showing Naruto exhausted but still fighting, his only break was when Sakura healed him and even then he needs days to rest his body and to Say Sasuke is holding back and keeping up with Naruto is kinda dumb, why hold back against Juubito who pawned the hokages who are all stronger than Sasuke. It's sould be more of, Sasuke has no training wih his EMS and is still learning to use it like he needed to do with his MS. Naruto has an excuse for not using BM, he's exhausted and his max time is 8 mins so he's waiting for the right moment.

Sasuke is superior in all expect 1 and that's probably speed.

The rest is Sasuke's feats don't be a smart @ss retard.

Really?

Strength: Naruto- , (1 hits him with only natural energy) and tht's him just trying to hold it.

Speed: Naruto- who is use to A's speed who Sasuke couldn't even react too. said A was going all out that seems like he was going to try and kill Naruto. and .

Power: Naruto- power equal to the power of 5 bijuus combined (2-7 tails) and this is him not at full power.

Endurance: Naruto- Naruto been training/fighting from his training until current time. , , ,

Senses: Naruto- , ,

Stamina: Naruto- I don't even need scans for this, Naruto base has more chakra than Naruto so no reason to use SM which more than double his chakra (Naruto balance his chakra evenly with natural energy to make Sage chakra which is double) then using Kurama will be even more.

Recovery rate: Naruto- SM help Naruto recover faster and everyone knows Naruto has fast recovery rate from Kurama.
 

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And what makes u tink if narutos goes Bm, sasuke won't pull out a powerup? He too hasn't gone full power

You said the magic word "IF", but ok....ill give that....then what IF naruto gets half the 9 tails chakra back?, is sasuke going to pull out a second powerup?

Besides, why is madara's susanoo being used as an example, thats madara's susanoo, sasuke's susanoo is the size of madara's susanoos foot...
 
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