EMS Sasuke & KCM Naruto

[VolatileSoul]

I'm pretty sure he can at the very least hold his own with KCM Naruto. But we can't say. That is just my assumption. For all we know he could be on BM Naruto's level. We have yet to see the limits to his Enton manipulation, and the limits to his Final Susano'o's defensive and offensive power.

 

[Avinash012]

If Sasuke isn't holding back why hasn't he used Complete Susanoo in battle yet?

Iam askng u to show me a proof wher it says Sasuke had PS....!

Y dnt u think PS is a special ability of Madara just like Sasuke's Enton...?

Let me ask u this

Can Madara use Amaterasu....?
Can Madara use Tsukiyomi..?
Can Obito use any of them..?

 

[crono0929]

This is why i want naruto to whip out his biju mode and be all over the place.

Kishi is just keeping naruto kcm not to embarrass Sasuke, its very clear, BM fought a handful of bijus with rinnegan and sharingan and obito at the same time....

 

[ANiMUS]

Iam askng u to show me a proof wher it says Sasuke had PS....!

Y dnt u think PS is a special ability of Madara just like Sasuke's Enton...?

Let me ask u this

Can Madara use Amaterasu....?
Can Madara use Tsukiyomi..?
Can Obito use any of them..?

Dude I said complete Susano'o (Susano'o v3)
Sasuke has only been using Susano'o v2 in battle.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Uh, Sasuke's not keeping up with Naruto's top KCM speed. Naruto's only seems to use it in dire situations that call for speed like dodging A's punch. Naruto is restraining his speed. Here's what happens when he doesn't.

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Sasuke's top speed is nowhere near the top KCM speed of Naruto, but it's impractical to use other than to get away from an area. Naruto can't move to specific targets with it, so he has to restrain his speed for most of the time. This is why Itachi, Obito, and Madara can respond to his speed.

 

[KidGamer65]

Uh, Sasuke's not keeping up with Naruto's top KCM speed. Naruto's only seems to use it in dire situations that call for speed like dodging A's punch. Naruto is restraining his speed. Here's what happens when he doesn't.

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Sasuke's top speed is nowhere near the top KCM speed of Naruto, but it's impractical to use other than to get away from an area. Naruto can't move to specific targets with it, so he has to restrain his speed for most of the time. This is why Itachi, Obito, and Madara can respond to his speed.

OP was obviously talking about overall power, not speed.

 

[King Of Pop]

This is why i want naruto to whip out his biju mode and be all over the place.

Kishi is just keeping naruto kcm not to embarrass Sasuke, its very clear, BM fought a handful of bijus with rinnegan and sharingan and obito at the same time....

And what makes u tink if narutos goes Bm, sasuke won't pull out a powerup? He too hasn't gone full power

 

[Avinash012]

Dude I said complete Susano'o (Susano'o v3)
Sasuke has only been using Susano'o v2 in battle.

Do u think that can stand a chance against Obito or Naruto...?

Sasuke still uses Enton regardless of wether it is v3 or v2 and Sasuke knw that Susanoo can't help him against Obito and they need to use a combined attack to take on Obito that's y Sasuke is askng for Naruto's FRS to make Enton Rasenshuriken(my own name) which is stronger than Sasuke's Enton (V3 or V2 ) as wel as Narutos FRS...........

Dnt use Imagination's currently BM Naruto is above Sasuke by feats and Sasuke needs PS to be on par with Naruto....

I belive that Sasuke wil get PS.......lets stop this argument...........

 

[King Of Pop]

Iam askng u to show me a proof wher it says Sasuke had PS....!

Y dnt u think PS is a special ability of Madara just like Sasuke's Enton...?

Let me ask u this

Can Madara use Amaterasu....?
Can Madara use Tsukiyomi..?
Can Obito use any of them..?

He's talkin about his Ems V4 Soosano, Not Ps

 

[Transcendence]

I'd say slightly better than KCM Naruto, but below BM Naruto.

 

[Avinash012]

And what makes u tink if narutos goes Bm, sasuke won't pull out a powerup? He too hasn't gone full power

What makes u think Sasuke(with feats at battle field) is better than Naruto(with kcm feats after Sasuke's return)......
Naruto had already shown BM and Sasuke had shown V3 (v2 in battle)which is no match for BM....

 

[Avinash012]

He's talkin about his Ems V4 Soosano, Not Ps

Ya I just realized it.....and already replied...........

 

[Smd]

Jesus Christ

SM Naruto >= MS Sasuke (according to zetsu)
KCM = MS + Sussano
BM = EMS + Full Sussano
FBM = EMS + PS

In the end if those are not their final power ups, Naruto will end up being > w his final power up

wtf is this shit?

here is the correct version due to MANGA no bias

SM naruto< MS sasuke SM naruto words>>>>> Zetsu words about naruto

Kcm naruto< EMS Sasuke

Bm naruto> EMS Sasuke - until more feats are shown by sasuke

da fuk is fbm?

 

[Sennin of Logic]

OP was obviously talking about overall power, not speed.

Keeping up indicated that he was talking about speed.

Anyway... @ OP

base Sasuke>base Naruto

SM Naruto(Pain)>MS Sasuke(B)

SM Naruto=MS Sasuke with susanoo

KCM Naruto(preserving chakra)=EMS Sasuke with complete susanoo.

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KCM Naruto with full range of abilities= EMS Sasuke with final susanoo

BM Naruto>>> EMS Sasuke.

It takes a pefect susanoo to be on par with bijus.

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In viz translation, he doesn't claim that only the biju have power comparable to his PS, he claims that his PS rivals them, not surpasses them. Don't believe me? #467

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Considering Naruto's BM is as powerful as 5 bijus.... Sasuke's susanoo is no match.

 

[KidGamer65]

Keeping up indicated that he was talking about speed.

Anyway... @ OP

base Sasuke>base Naruto

SM Naruto(Pain)>MS Sasuke(B)

SM Naruto=MS Sasuke with susanoo

KCM Naruto(preserving chakra)=EMS Sasuke with complete susanoo.

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KCM Naruto with full range of abilities= EMS Sasuke with final susanoo

BM Naruto>>> EMS Sasuke.

It takes a pefect susanoo to be on par with bijus.

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In viz translation, he doesn't claim that only the biju have power comparable to his PS, he claims that his PS rivals them, not surpasses them. Don't believe me? #467

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Considering Naruto's BM is as powerful as 5 bijus.... Sasuke's susanoo is no match.

Keeping up can also be used for power. Not to mention the panels show various Naruto/Sasuke moments, not all of them had to do with speed, and at the end he asks if KCM Naruto is equal to EMS Sasuke.

 

[Brooks]

Nice explination I really liked it & keep it up ....

Actually u mentioned some of EMS abilities of Sasuke......
I dnt use pictures simce I dnt have much time so plz understand

Now let me start

As we have already knw Naruto can enter SM with in fraction of seconds proved by 3rd Rikage vs Naruto
Which Obviously mean that he can summon Ma & Pa....
Naruto had min knwldge on MS abilities like Tsukiyomi and Amatarasu on the other hand Sasuke had no Idea about SM..
Let me remind u that MS Sasuke can only maintain Susanoo for very less amount of time due to side effects of MS
Naruto's SM time span >> Sasuke's Susanoo time span

Naruto's counters for Sasuke's MS abilities:

Taijutsu:

Naruto stomps

Genjutsu: Sasuke's is a skilled as Itachi but he is still a highly skilled Uchiha so there is a chance for Genjutsu and Ma and Pa helps Naruto

Amatarasu: as U already complemented Naruto is the best sensor and frog kumt make's him sence danger and can dodge the attack simply at point blank range: proved by Naruto's clone during the fight with 3rd Rikage

Susanoo arw: Same as Amatarasu if u want more proof abt SM speed look at Naruto's first attack on Pain ,even Half dead danzo able to dodge that attack with Min damage and Kakashi's speed is nowhere near SM Naruto.......

Kenjutsu: Look at Pain's Kunai


Sasuke wil be weaken after usng above Jutsu that I have mention and he can't use Susanoo any more .......

If there is no Susanoo ....Sasuke wil die with single punch close range combat and attacks are useless against SM.......

Last but not the least Frog song : Sasuke had no counter for Sound genjutsu ..Manga fact....

Naruto dnt need FRS or 3 big toads to beat Sasuke....in worst case Naruto wil use FRS to kill Sasuke if he really want to kill him...

I will reply to your argument in sometime tonight.....i'm one a debate as of now and i will also be going to somewhere after that debate....you can expect a reply by tonight or tomorrow morning....or i will send you a massage after i'm done.​

 

[King Of Pop]

What makes u think Sasuke(with feats at battle field) is better than Naruto(with kcm feats after Sasuke's return)......
Naruto had already shown BM and Sasuke had shown V3 (v2 in battle)which is no match for BM....

Yes, he's no match for Bm, which is why I believe kishi is obviously not done with his powerup. If Naruto goes Bm, to make sasuke kip up(lata on proberly) kishi wil giv him sumfin, we just have to wait and see it. But I do believe with v4 he is above kcm Naruto

 

[adeshina365]

EMS Sasuke is stronger than KM but weaker than BM.

I'm of the same thinking.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

wtf is this shit?

here is the correct version due to MANGA no bias

SM naruto< MS sasuke SM naruto words>>>>> Zetsu words about naruto

Kcm naruto< EMS Sasuke

Bm naruto> EMS Sasuke - until more feats are shown by sasuke

da fuk is fbm?

And he previously said this..

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Unless we completely ignore one set of scans, this means that SM is a perfect match for MS. Naruto can't beat Sasuke with SM, but he'd kill Sasuke and Sasuke would kill him. That's, by definition, is a tie, no victory. The statement you're using fits perfectly with Naruto's previous one.

Edt: Zetsu was referring to SM Naruto who fought Pain to MS Sasuke who fought B.

 

[BlinkST]

Ems Sasuke's big Susanoo will match Bm naruto. Bookmark this post and rub it in their faces when it turns out true.