EMS Madara and Tobirama on same level

[hugox28]

EMS Madara is WAAAYYY better than Tobirama... im just going to give you an example...

did you see how he got the 5 kages???

 

[KingHashirama]

Madara is clearly above Tobirama's level, it was implied by multiple sources that Hashirama is the only one who can stop him. Tobirama just acts as if it was his duty to stop him.

could be the case.

By the way, EMS Madara has Kyuubi as a contract. How is Tobirama getting round that? Lmao, Madara stomps him.

Sorry buddy, not anymore.=]. It was only for the 1 single fight. Ems Madara = Madara with EMS. He had the EMS LONG BEFORE the village was created. So I don't see your point how EMS Madara = Kyuubi Madara.

Also, are you forgetting Tobirama's "prime" was when he became Hokage and that was after Hashirama's death.. which was after Madara had been defeated.

Older brother has nothing to do with it.

Having a bijuu is your own power because it takes power to control it. And who else could control the bijuus besides hashirama? An uchiha. Thats another reason why hashirama was fighting madara and not tobirama

And where is his so called power now, he still has the EMS... He had the Kyuubi solely for the purpose of taking on Hashirama, who was the Hokage....

What your doing is comparing the Tobirama that was alive during Madara's time and comparing him to Madara..

I'm comparing HOKAGE TOBIRAMA to EMS Madara..

 

[sulanis]

I didn't read, and I don't have to. Madara would kick his ass, any day. I know all this recent hokage hype is exiting for some people on here, but lets not forget the facts. Madara will take his ass to school.

as soon as you said i didn't read told me everything i needed to know!

you're a fanboy and refuse to except his opinion! Tobirama was extremely powerful, could he beat EMS Madara, most likely not, but he would not go down without a fight!

EMS Madara is WAAAYYY better than Tobirama... im just going to give you an example...

did you see how he got the 5 kages???

That was no EMS Madara, that was suped up, rinnegan wood release version of Madara! and is not the same thing.

think about what you say before you say it. The creator of the thread said EMS Madara, not EDO Madara

 

[RaitonOniKairRasengan]

Sorry buddy, not anymore.=]. It was only for the 1 single fight. Ems Madara = Madara with EMS. He had the EMS LONG BEFORE the village was created. So I don't see your point how EMS Madara = Kyuubi Madara.

Also, are you forgetting Tobirama's "prime" was when he became Hokage and that was after Hashirama's death.. which was after Madara had been defeated.

Theres no such thing as kyuubi madara. It is part of his power and he can control it at ease. Could tobirama control a kyuubi and fight at the same time?

All great power can be look at as borrowed in the NV, except hashirama of course. Thats why hes the best.

 

[KingHashirama]

as soon as you said i didn't read told me everything i needed to know!

you're a fanboy and refuse to except his opinion! Tobirama was extremely powerful, could he beat EMS Madara, most likely not, but he would not go down without a fight!

Thank you.

They apparently think I'm saying Tobirama = Madara. But I'm stating that in power wise they are on the same level. Which is different then being Equals.

Madara has his PS and etc

Tobirama has his FTG and etc. The same Ftg he killed MS shisui with.

Theres no such thing as kyuubi madara. It is part of his power and he can control it at ease. Could tobirama control a kyuubi and fight at the same time?

All great power can be look at as borrowed in the NV, except hashirama of course. Thats why hes the best.

There is such thing as Kyuubi Madara.. Controlling someone does not make them part of your power.. part of your aresnal yes.. your OWN power no. And also, last time I checked Madara doesn't have the Kyuubi with the EMS besides that 1 fight, where Hashirama took the Kyuubi for himself ;]

Controlling a different living person isn't considered your own power in Naruto.. inserting DNA of someone in your OWN body is different.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

could be the case.


Sorry buddy, not anymore.=]. It was only for the 1 single fight. Ems Madara = Madara with EMS. He had the EMS LONG BEFORE the village was created. So I don't see your point how EMS Madara = Kyuubi Madara.

Also, are you forgetting Tobirama's "prime" was when he became Hokage and that was after Hashirama's death.. which was after Madara had been defeated.



And where is his so called power now, he still has the EMS... He had the Kyuubi solely for the purpose of taking on Hashirama, who was the Hokage....

What your doing is comparing the Tobirama that was alive during Madara's time and comparing him to Madara..

I'm comparing HOKAGE TOBIRAMA to EMS Madara..

EMS Madara had the Kyuubi as a contract... you fail, or you don't read the manga. You clearly said Tobirama is on par with "EMS" Madara, and "EMS" Madara had the Kyuubi. Obviously he doesn't have it anymore, he was long dead and it got sealed into Naruto. No, it wasn't only for Hashirama, he could summon Kurama at any time; proof.

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You made the mistake of comparing Tobirama to EMS Madara, who actually survived. His prime (alive) state, clearly indicates his having Kurama as a summon. Funny though, Tobirama has hardly any jutsu, and you're comparing him to a man only Hashirama could beat at the time. You're clearly struck by these flashing lights and badass attitude, so you want to jump on the bandwagon. By feats, EMS Madara rips him apart.

Oh yeah, how's he getting around PS?

 

[SebastionM]

My opinion which I posted on another thread:

I kinda believe Tobirama > Madara (before he got Senju DNA which means no Rinnegan/Mokuton) as it was established Izuna = Madara and Tobirama > Izuna which then in turn means, Tobirama > Madara. He also said something along the lines of 'Hashirama, I don't know about you but I'm heading out to the battlefield to stop Madara', which shows he believed he could beat Madara and with that much confidence, I also believe he could. Now he can't due to insane power-ups for Madara such as Rinnegan and Wood Style but Tobirama is unaware of what Madara's gained.

I have not seen this thread, so I'll inform you here.

There is nothing more idiotic than saying " Izuna = Madara and Tobirama > Izuna which then in turn means, Tobirama > Madara."

You can't determine battles like that, it's obvious.

Sakura put naruto on his ass many times, does that mean she can kill pein, and madara also?

Trolling idiots these days. You give real Tobirama fans a bad name.

 

[RaitonOniKairRasengan]

Thank you.

They apparently think I'm saying Tobirama = Madara. But I'm stating that in power wise they are on the same level. Which is different then being Equals.

Madara has his PS and etc

Tobirama has his FTG and etc. The same Ftg he killed MS shisui with.


There is such thing as Kyuubi Madara.. Controlling someone does not make them part of your power.. part of your aresnal yes.. your OWN power no. And also, last time I checked Madara doesn't have the Kyuubi with the EMS besides that 1 fight, where Hashirama took the Kyuubi for himself ;]

Controlling a different living person isn't considered your own power in Naruto.. inserting DNA of someone in your OWN body is different.

The kyuubi is a person now? Edo tensei and controlling a bijuu are two completely different things dont get me wrong. If madara didnt have a contract then i wouldn't argue that its his power. You act like anyone can control a bijuu and fight haha. Imagine naruto only has half of him and he can still transform.

 

[Touken]

I have not seen this thread, so I'll inform you here.

There is nothing more idiotic than saying " Izuna = Madara and Tobirama > Izuna which then in turn means, Tobirama > Madara."

You can't determine battles like that, it's obvious.

Sakura put naruto on his ass many times, does that mean she can kill pein, and madara also?

Trolling idiots these days. You give real Tobirama fans a bad name.

You gave a really bad example there and I know I'm using ABC logic here (which is never good) but it's the only way I can come to a conclusion. My statement is based of the fact Madara and Izuna were actually established as equals and they both had MS meaning their arsenal was similar and, it was also established that Senju > Uchiha.

 

[Donald J Trump]

Madara rapes Tobirama in a heart beat. The end!

 

[SSW Imp]

Dafuq is dis ish? EMS Madara rapes Tobirama 100/10

 

[Minator93]

Yeah, Tobirama = EMS Madara

 

[SebastionM]

You gave a really bad example there and I know I'm using ABC logic here (which is never good) but it's the only way I can come to a conclusion. My statement is based of the fact Madara and Izuna were actually established as equals and they both had MS meaning their arsenal was similar and, it was also established that Senju > Uchiha.

Eh, it was the first thing I though of...ABC logic always fails... For all we know that sword slash could a been a lucky hit, I doubt it, MS and all..but still. You see what I'm saying? I just don't know how Madara vs Tobirama would go..Haven't seen enough of Tobirama.

Would you be so kind as to explain how that perfects your logic on Senju > Uchiha?

 

[VongolaX]

Saying tobimaru is even with hashirmama is like saying hashirama is even with tobimaru.
Tobimaru is not on the same terms as madara, or else he wouldn't be vexing himself over the thought of madara.

 

[paratise]

Oh the Senju fanboy's thread...
Tobirama is not as strong as ems Madara; deal with it...

 

[Touken]

Eh, it was the first thing I though of...ABC logic always fails... For all we know that sword slash could a been a lucky hit, I doubt it, MS and all..but still. You see what I'm saying? I just don't know how Madara vs Tobirama would go..Haven't seen enough of Tobirama.

Would you be so kind as to explain how that perfects your logic on Senju > Uchiha?

I'm only using these ideas to try to think of how strong Tobirama was and I get you man but this chapter's now proven that Tobirama did indeed use Hiraishin (don't know how effectively though). All I really want to know is how the fight went down between Tobirama and Izuna and how he battled against those 20 master bounty hunters, the Kinkaku Force.

I think it was 625 where it shows the Senju were beating the Uchiha so badly that some of the Uchiha just surrendered and decided to just leave the war.

 

[Touken]

Eh, it was the first thing I though of...ABC logic always fails... For all we know that sword slash could a been a lucky hit, I doubt it, MS and all..but still. You see what I'm saying? I just don't know how Madara vs Tobirama would go..Haven't seen enough of Tobirama.

Would you be so kind as to explain how that perfects your logic on Senju > Uchiha?

I'm only using these ideas to try to think of how strong Tobirama was and I get you man but this chapter's now proven that Tobirama did indeed use Hiraishin (don't know how effectively though). All I really want to know is how the fight went down between Tobirama and Izuna and how he battled against those 20 master bounty hunters, the Kinkaku Force.

I think it was 625 where it shows the Senju were beating the Uchiha so badly that some of the Uchiha just surrendered and decided to just leave the war.

 

[sangrall]

Straight to the case. There is no manga evidence ( except fanboy hype bullshit) that EMS Madara can be handled by the likes of Tobirama. Hashirama sure. I cant even decide if Tobirama(non Edo) is on equal footing with EMS Sasuke.

 

[Dragon1]

It's interesting how you guys say Tobirama loses to Madara without even knowing Tobirama's abilities...

 

[sangrall]

It's interesting how you guys say Tobirama loses to Madara without even knowing Tobirama's abilities...

Nah it is rather interesting how you can put almost completely featless Tobirama on equal footing with EMS Madara. All we know about Tobirama so far is his Suiton technique along with Hiraishin which we haven't seen yet in action. All we know is that Madara as only one being known in NV history could oppose Hashirama. By very basic logic this present that the one and true fact. EMS Madara> Tobirama. Thank you.