EMS is NOT borrowed power
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Sennin of Logic
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I don't get the nudging. However, there's literally a ritual for it.
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Honestly Sasuke took Itachi's eyeballs , but the power Sasuke had with MS were the same powers he had with EMS which only changed the MS symbol and the Blindness effects using MS had. So Sasuke didn't really take power , he eliminated blindness.
Sennin of Logic
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That's not completely true.
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"Completely different dojutsu." This is further supported by the fact that Sasuke could make his susanoo bigger and have legs, which he couldn't do before. Nor did he have PS or the "straight commas" that Madara praised.
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MS did not have straight commas.
blackstar9
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If it was just a transplant sasuke wouldn't have ems ! Without sasuke ms , ems wouldn't be possible
You pointing out "new awaken power", not "borrow power"
Bm is nine tail power. Ps and enton are sasuke power. Sasuke and naruto are not comparable, unless you saying ps and enton belongs to itachi
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There is no contradiction. When Naruto leaves Kurama mode, where does chakra go? Back to the Nine-Tails or Naruto.
Agreed, Sasukes power is his own. What a genius.
Furthermore Naruto being Ashuras reincarnation naturally latches on to others to gain power. While Indra is a lone wolf sort of speak.
The problem with Narutos power is that the deity who it originated from is still alive . While on the other hand Sasukes power is now his own to use without the request of anyone else.
Furthermore Naruto being Ashuras reincarnation naturally latches on to others to gain power. While Indra is a lone wolf sort of speak.
Behemoth55
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The appearance of Susanoo is no argument. The term Dōjutsu refers also to a new technique. Kishimoto himself categorized the eMS and MS in the databook together, but not independently. Different and impartial Dōjutsu have been always categorized separate.
Madara said Sasukes Mangekyo has "Chuko Tomoe", straight Tomoe. Sasuke original Mangekyo consists also of straight lines.
Umari Senju
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This^ I am so tired of this tired argument. Who in the NV has not used a passed down abilitiy or power? The only ones I can think of at the moment is Tobirama, Tsunade, Hashirama, and kakashi who created their own jutsu. I would put Minato but he fashioned the Rasengan after the bijuudama.
Borrowed, stolen, passed down, whatever. It's not the means by which you acquired it but how they are used. All of them still had to train-be it in some training area or in the heat of battle, they forged their right to use whatever ability they now possess.
Even if Itachi planned to give it to him all along, he made Sasuke work for his MS. Sasuke fought hard for his MS. EMS wsa added after a tough fight with Killer Bee, the Kage, and Danzo and a brief clash of signature moves with Naruto.
Naruto was given Kurama at birth by no choice of his own and had to learn to access, control, and eventually befreind his bijuu. That's hard work it wasn't just given to him.
Please stop with this borrowed crap. It's getting dull.
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It's an Uchiha clan custom, to pass eyes down. The Narutards are trying to make Sasuke and Naruto equally dependent on other peoples power but Naruto is obviously the one with all the borrowed power.
blackstar9
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Two ms are needed for ems . If sasuke only had 3tomae it wouldn't work . Ems is a combination of 2 ms
Shadow Phantasm
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It's a burrowed power in a technical sense because in order to get EMS you must take the eyes of a sibling who had MS unlocked.However it does'nt really matter now since everyone has borrowed power.
