EMS is NOT borrowed power

[TrollKing]

I never said Sasuke's MS abilities were given by Itachi, reread. MS abilities include reading the opponente's movements, seeing through ninjutsus/Genjutsus/Taijutsus, controlling Bijuus and using the MS jutsus. Yes I believe Itachi gave Sasuke Amaterasu, all MS are different with different shapes and powers but it is unknown if brothers can awaken similar power so to say they can is speculations. You didn't provide me any scans so I don't know why you think you did. Of course it was Sasuke's first MS jutsu, that was the first one he used but did he say it was a jutsus Sasuke unlocked on his own or was it because Itachi equipped Sasuke with it and using it influenced his eyes to have it?

What are you talking about? Power doesn't always mean jutsu. the scan I provided is Sasuke saying he feels Itachi's power flowing into him, none of Itachi's MS jutsus can flow into Sasuke like he was describing it. Power can mean chakra, strength, energy, ect. Sasuke felt Itachi's power, not any jutsus

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. Enton is Amaterasu with shape manipulation basically. As you can see, Sasuke manipulated the Amaterasu's shape but it's still the same Amaterasu flame

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Kishi never showed Sasuke using Itachi's Amaterasu because Sasuke got his MS right after talking to Obito

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and he wasn't in any fights until fighting Bee. Wrong if EMS was only MS+ Eternal light then they wouldn't have any new MS jutsus like Perfect Susanoo or leg Susanoo. Itachi would be able to use PS if it was MS jutsus since he had his MS since he was 13 and he died around age 21-22. If getting Itachi's eye did not give Sasuke more power then why is Sasuke saying he can feel Itachi's power flowing through him? Are you denying what Sasuke himself said?

Wow, your last part was pure garbage since it's only your opinion and hold no truth to So what jutsu are people talking about when they talk about the Kurama's power? They're talking about the raw power that Kurama has, a roar that can destroy a huge part of Konoha, a swing of Kurama's tail can crumble mountains and start tsunamis

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. What jutsus are people talking about when they talk about the Byakugan? not gentle fist or any other jutsus since they actually will mention those jutsus if they were. That's power, not jutsus. What does a EMS looks like? The combination of both MS eyes? Why? Because it's the combination of both MS and it's a new Duojutsu which makes it much stronger than a MS (Itachi called it a new doujutsu

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I didn't give any scan because the arguement is dumb, many examples of 2 or 3 or 4 people use same jutsu for different reasons that clearly stated in manga(your belief were never stated clearly in manga)

Ps or legged susanoo are still "susanoo", ms sasuke's susanoo was advancing right before he went blind. Ems sasuke didn't wake up with 2 legged susanoo, ems sasuke woke up simply picked up where he left off when he was still ms. If you say he gain new power, then that would be awaken power, not "itachi's power" since itachi has no ps or legs to give

Itachi able to use ps part is speculation. Tobi said hebi sasuke eyes will be stronger than itachi's, so no need to use itachi to lower sasuke potential

Kishi never shows ms sasuke "control" itachi's amaterasu at all. It's very simple, sasuke didn't. Manga shows he awakened ms, then awaken ms ability with "his ms shape", not "itachi's". First sasuke's ms ability is amaterasu, not reading movement or anything, don't know there's need to argue.

Last part. Neji eyes without jutsu? Died like a fodder.I'm not wasting time talk about every single cases, so forget it

 

[TrollKing]

Making long paragraphs means nothing if you just repeat what you and I said and pass it off as a big intimidating response, Naruto relies on Kurama, and beast that was sealed in him. Sasuke relies on his eyes that he was born with, eyes that belong to him after the passing of his brother Itachi. The eyes don't belong to him so who do they belong to? I see Sasuke's MS pattern in the eye.

They will make a much better argument to compare ems sasuke to naruto(implanted nine tail's eyes), but still really different

 

[LeSauce]

Kurama is just as much as Naruto's rightful power as EMS is Sasuke's rightful power. Your whole argument that it's Sasuke's "right" hinges on the fact that it's passed down. However, Kurama has been passed down from Uzamaki to Uzamaki from the early days of the village. It's a power that is passed down just like EMS.


Both originally started out as an external force and are now an inseparable part(bar reverse sealing and eye tearing) of the user. Whether or not chakra's being consciously fed is completely irrelevant. In a fight, Kurama would never not give Naruto his chakra. Kurama stated it himself that if Naruto dies, he dies, and he doesn't want that. The thing is, even though Kurama can be revived, he does not like the consequences of Naruto dying, therefore, he will never let Naruto die and would always be forced to let Naruto to use his chakra. They rely on each other. It's a symbiotic relationship that is not conditional. It's just as good as Naruto's power since he decides who to fight, and bijus that want to live are going to have to keep him alive, which means they'll have to give him chakra.

It isn't an Uzumaki's right and you know it. Anyone with strong body could have been Kurama's jinchuuriki.

Kurama is doing what Tsunade did to ohnoki when they were fighting the susano'o clones. EMS is Sasuke's power because hewas the one to actually awaken it. Many clansmen tried the same thing and couldn't, his strong chakra was what allowed him to awaken it, not the eyes.