EMS is NOT borrowed power

[blackstar9]

okay bro but he do have itach's eyeballs in his socket

This is true but . without sasuke Ms ems wouldn't be possible

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I want to see more of that "ritual."

*wink wink nudge nudge

I don't get the nudging. However, there's literally a ritual for it.

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[Untamed]

Honestly Sasuke took Itachi's eyeballs , but the power Sasuke had with MS were the same powers he had with EMS which only changed the MS symbol and the Blindness effects using MS had. So Sasuke didn't really take power , he eliminated blindness.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Honestly Sasuke took Itachi's eyeballs , but the power Sasuke had with MS were the same powers he had with EMS which only changed the MS symbol and the Blindness effects using MS had. So Sasuke didn't really take power , he eliminated blindness.

That's not completely true.

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"Completely different dojutsu." This is further supported by the fact that Sasuke could make his susanoo bigger and have legs, which he couldn't do before. Nor did he have PS or the "straight commas" that Madara praised.

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MS did not have straight commas.

 

[blackstar9]

Nope its called a Transplant not a fusion.

If it was just a transplant sasuke wouldn't have ems ! Without sasuke ms , ems wouldn't be possible

 

[DaileyM]

Those saying "taken" or "stolen" is in pure denial. Itachi wanted Sasuke to take his eyes. How else did he expect the KA to work?

Face the facts: EMS is Sasuke's power.

Love the contradiction right here, Kurama wants Naruto to have his power too, They are friends now and he's obviously on one line now with Naruto. So it's no longer borrowed or stolen either now?

 

[TrollKing]

That's not completely true.

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"Completely different dojutsu." This is further supported by the fact that Sasuke could make his susanoo bigger and have legs, which he couldn't do before. Nor did he have PS or the "straight commas" that Madara praised.

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MS did not have straight commas.

You pointing out "new awaken power", not "borrow power"

Love the contradiction right here, Kurama wants Naruto to have his power too, They are friends now and he's obviously on one line now with Naruto. So it's no longer borrowed or stolen either now?

Bm is nine tail power. Ps and enton are sasuke power. Sasuke and naruto are not comparable, unless you saying ps and enton belongs to itachi

 

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If it was just a transplant sasuke wouldn't have ems ! Without sasuke ms , ems wouldn't be possible

You don't seem to understand how it works its just a Transplant, you can't combine eyes Sasuke's power along with Itachi's eyes form EMS.

 

[Solo]

Its different for Naruto and Sasuke than it is for Kabuto and Obito and Madara.
That's right it only takes away the side effects & its not a power either of them had on their own.

Actually since Naruto was born from the Kyuubi Jinchuriki and his face marks are a result of Kurama, then he is sort of birth partners to Kurama.

You're right. The EMS Sasuke has comes as a gift to him from Itachi. Sasuke doesn't get Itachi's powers along with the EMS, he only gets Eternal Light which didn't belong to either of them individually. Its sort of like a sharing or partnership trade transplant instead of "borrowed or free".

Love the contradiction right here, Kurama wants Naruto to have his power too, They are friends now and he's obviously on one line now with Naruto. So it's no longer borrowed or stolen either now?

There is no contradiction. When Naruto leaves Kurama mode, where does chakra go? Back to the Nine-Tails or Naruto.

 

[BLAZE]

You don't seem to understand how it works its just a Transplant, you can't combine eyes Sasuke's power along with Itachi's eyes form EMS.

sorry but basically this is what EMS is combination of both eye powers giving the user permanent ms

 

[Dantee]

Agreed, Sasukes power is his own. What a genius.

Obviously this is a troll thread, but just to make it clear, by this logic, Naruto hasn't used a borrowed power in his life. All jinchurikis of the 9 tails have been Uzamakis and some relationship to a hokage. Naruto's an Uzamaki, and is the son of a hokage. In fact, Uzamaki were specifically chosen to be 9 tails jinchurikis. So that's a "ritual."

The problem with Narutos power is that the deity who it originated from is still alive . While on the other hand Sasukes power is now his own to use without the request of anyone else.

Furthermore Naruto being Ashuras reincarnation naturally latches on to others to gain power. While Indra is a lone wolf sort of speak.

 

[TrollKing]

There is no contradiction. When Naruto leaves Kurama mode, where does chakra go? Back to the Nine-Tails or Naruto.

You got wonderful post like always. You got a bright future

 

[Retsu]

Sasuke says it best why we consider it "borrowed"

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[Behemoth55]

"Completely different dojutsu." This is further supported by the fact that Sasuke could make his susanoo bigger and have legs, which he couldn't do before.

The appearance of Susanoo is no argument. The term Dōjutsu refers also to a new technique. Kishimoto himself categorized the eMS and MS in the databook together, but not independently. Different and impartial Dōjutsu have been always categorized separate.

Nor did he have PS or the "straight commas" that Madara praised.

Madara said Sasukes Mangekyo has "Chuko Tomoe", straight Tomoe. Sasuke original Mangekyo consists also of straight lines.

 

[Umari Senju]

Why does it even matter? lol.

This^ I am so tired of this tired argument. Who in the NV has not used a passed down abilitiy or power? The only ones I can think of at the moment is Tobirama, Tsunade, Hashirama, and kakashi who created their own jutsu. I would put Minato but he fashioned the Rasengan after the bijuudama.

Borrowed, stolen, passed down, whatever. It's not the means by which you acquired it but how they are used. All of them still had to train-be it in some training area or in the heat of battle, they forged their right to use whatever ability they now possess.

Even if Itachi planned to give it to him all along, he made Sasuke work for his MS. Sasuke fought hard for his MS. EMS wsa added after a tough fight with Killer Bee, the Kage, and Danzo and a brief clash of signature moves with Naruto.

Naruto was given Kurama at birth by no choice of his own and had to learn to access, control, and eventually befreind his bijuu. That's hard work it wasn't just given to him.

Please stop with this borrowed crap. It's getting dull.

 

[Stark]

It's an Uchiha clan custom, to pass eyes down. The Narutards are trying to make Sasuke and Naruto equally dependent on other peoples power but Naruto is obviously the one with all the borrowed power.

 

[TrollKing]

sorry but basically this is what EMS is combination of both eye powers giving the user permanent ms

Sasuke power + itachi eyes = sasuke ms + eternal light + maybe a little itachi power

So 98% ems is sasuke power(why give a crap to 1-2%)

 

[blackstar9]

You don't seem to understand how it works its just a Transplant, you can't combine eyes Sasuke's power along with Itachi's eyes form EMS.

Two ms are needed for ems . If sasuke only had 3tomae it wouldn't work . Ems is a combination of 2 ms

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

It's a burrowed power in a technical sense because in order to get EMS you must take the eyes of a sibling who had MS unlocked.However it does'nt really matter now since everyone has borrowed power.

 

[Xāvî1]

So , a stolen power then ?

rather a power taken by force