Edo Kimimaro Vs Tsunade

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If he gets into CQC with her she can very much punch him and scramble his nervous system
Bone shield nullifies the electric pulse from circumventing through his nervous system so thats a no.

I've already posted all the scans in other threads of him effortlessly evading Lee, who is loads ahead of Tsunade in taijutsu
 

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If Kimimaro physically couldn't move and literally only moved himself from sheer willpower alone to take on 3 very powerful opponents.. Like he literally had no control over his body and he had to force it to work for him, would he be able to fight against the body scramble like Kabuto did?
Wut? Part1 Base Naruto and Lee were pretty weak because they didn't even used their full power ( gates + Gamabunta ).
Gaara also didn't used his full power ( Ichibi )

The Body Pathway Derangement ****s up the nervous system.
For example, if Kimimaro would try to move his head, his left hand would move instead, etc. Kabuto countered it because he was a skilled medical ninja.
 
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Bone shield nullifies the electric pulse from circumventing through his nervous system so thats a no.

I've already posted all the scans in other threads of him effortlessly evading Lee, who is loads ahead of Tsunade in taijutsu
There are nerves in bones. He wouldn't be protected by them. He couldn't probably even grow them anymore the way he would like to.
 

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Bone shield nullifies the electric pulse from circumventing through his nervous system so thats a no.

I've already posted all the scans in other threads of him effortlessly evading Lee, who is loads ahead of Tsunade in taijutsu
So you think Kmimimaro moves his bones without nerves? LOL.
 

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Bone Shield=quick enough to react to Gaara's sand pressure >>>>>Tsunade's slow ass punches
That wasn't the point, dude. Don't change the subject. But reacting to it isn't a feat since Gaara's sand attack wasn't even instant ( unlike the Ranshinso or a punch from Tsunade )

From where you pulled this bullshit? Anyways, I should ignore you when you are debating about Tsunade or Kakuzu.
 

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Once he gets into CQC with her then he very much gets hit and there is no knowledge in the scenario (unless OP states it) so he gets hit and scrambles his body.
No, he doesn't get hit if he has knowledge. He is an entire speed tier above her, and has excellent reflexes as seen when he was dodging and killing KN0 clones with unmatched finesse.

I can agree that he might get hit if this is a no knowledge scenario. Regardless, Tsunade isn't going to opt for nerve scrambling from the get-go with no knowledge either. She only resorted to nerve scrambling when her muscles were disabled. That technique was never shown again, so it would be massively out of character for her to open with that technique.

The scramble technique will affect him because it effects his nervous system how the brain sends messages to the body. Orochimaru has noted saying it has nothing to do with a persons muscles.

The spine isn't a muscle, mate - its a bone. Not just a regular bone - a bone with a bunch of nerves attached to it. The spine is a crucial part of the standard human's central nervous system (it directly links to the brain, thus why spine damage can paralyze you). Kimimaro can casually pull out his spine and continue to fight like nothing happened, thus he does not have a nervous system comparable to any normal human.

Well first of all, that scene was not shown. Jiraya,Shizune, and naruto were investigating the damage she caused. Theoretically she would've done so, but who knows if the rocks were there in the first place. she can punch the ground and only cause cracks no huge boulders flying everywhere. And even if she does so happen to create big boulders the location is an open field just back away from it.
What are you talking about?

When she after he emerged from the ground, she sent a bunch of . Those rocks blinded her, allowing Kabuto to flank and tag her several times in the rear.

Yes, but you and alot of other people are forgetting a crucial fact. Tsunade was rusty, she hasn't fought for a few years what would you expect?
The third databook, which was released in the Pain Arc (she was no longer rusty), still gave her a 3.5 in speed, which is on par with Part I Kabuto.

Also she was hemophobic (Afraid of blood) so Kabuto had the advantage.
Blood did not factor into the equation until later on in the battle. When Kabuto flanked her and tagged her with chakra scalpels, no blood had been spilled yet.

so if it was Kimmi who got behind her she would simply react to it.
Kimimaro is much faster than Kabuto was in Part I. Kabuto not only is an entire speed tier beneath Kimimaro, but Kabuto even outright stated he was , which is further backed by the 3.5 he has in the stat. Kimimaro has a 4.5 in speed and a perfect Taijutsu score, not to mention a nigh unpredictable fighting style.

Kabuto's CQC prowess does not even begin to compare with Kimimaro's. Kimimaro has superior stats, feats, and hype. Hell, Kabuto admitted inferiority to him by stating Kimimaro was the strongest under Orochimaru's command.

Show me another scan of him going that faster than that in Part 1.
I don't have to because I never said Orochimaru moved any faster than that in Part I. All I said was that it was unlikely that was his top speed, especially given his handicaps. And as I said earlier, we have no idea what Orochimaru's speed stat in Part I would be. For all we know, it could be a 3.5, with his physical handicaps bringing it down even further. Orochimaru was never given any stats until the third databook.

The only fight Orochimaru had in Part I while healthy was against Hiruzen, and he simply stood there allowing the Edo zombies to do the fighting - he wasn't exactly mobile in that battle.

and please don't bring up hyperbole filled bs like the data books, If you want to use that be my guest.
You don't understand what hyperbole is. Hyperbole is an obvious exaggeration - something like the descriptions you see for multiple jutsus in the databook that serve no purpose except to hype the technique.

I'm not referencing hyperbolic statements. I am referencing a databook stat - an objective number. Rock Lee has a 4 in speed (in the second databook), which is higher than Tsunade's current 3.5.

Bone forest's height doesnt really compare to Katsuyu so Tsunade stands on her.
Tsunade cannot summon Katsuyu before she gets mutilated by those bones, and even if she does, Katsuyu will get gutted if she is summoned on top of the bone forest. Tsunade may manage to survive that attack once at the cost of incapacitating her summon, but once Katsuyu goes "poof," she will be back where she started if Kimimaro decides to use that attack again. Furthermore, Kimimaro has long range finger bullets so he is not restricted to CQC.

It's also funny that Tsunade will be summoning Katsuyu against Kimimaro when she did not choose to do so against the likes of Madara. Its pretty obvious that Katsuyu is not a combat oriented summon. The one time she was summoned for combat, she was casually manhandled by Manda.

so she can survive being split apart and ripped to shreds
Tsunade went through the technique and emerged with only a few surface level lacerations, so the technique clearly does not "rip you to shreds." It was an exaggeration by Mabui, who, as far as we know, had never even bothered using the technique on anyone barring the third Raikage.

It's also funny that you tell me not to use hyperbole (when I wasn't) yet proceed to give me an excellent example of hyperbole by citing a jutsu entry calling Katsuyu invincible.
 
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That wasn't the point, dude. Don't change the subject. But reacting to it isn't a feat since Gaara's sand attack wasn't even instant ( unlike the Ranshinso or a punch from Tsunade )

From where you pulled this bullshit? Anyways, I should ignore you when you are debating about Tsunade or Kakuzu.
Not Kakuzu.
 

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You kind of implied he wasn't a good debator or something or that he was biased.
Just because he knows everything about Kakuzu doesn't mean he isn't biased. I'm not saying he isn't a good debater, because he is, especially with Kakuzu. But like I said before, in most of the cases Zex overrates Kakuzu and his domu.
 

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Used to be. I can't speak on what he used to be, but I know that he's one of the most informed people on Kakuzu on here.
Thanks Br0 :blush:

I know, but when is debating about Kakuzu, he used to be very biased.
No not biased i just don't underrate him like the rest of the base does, however i will admit i can not stand Tsunade, doesn't change the fact that she sucks ass when it comes to speed
 

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The third databook gives her a 3.5. That may not be slow in general, but its slow if you want to compare her to other Kage level fighters. Literally every single Kage level fighter has at least a 4 in speed, if not higher.

Sasuke? 4.5 Kakuzu? 4 Kisame? 4 Orochimaru? 4.5 Kakashi? 4.5 Gai? 5 Kimimaro? 4.5 Itachi? 5

Hell, most notable Jonin level fighters also have at least a 4 as well.

Zabuza? 4 Asuma? 4.5 Part II Neji? 4.5 Part II Lee? 4.5 Haku? 4 Part II Kiba? 4.5 Shizune? 4

So yeah, relatively speaking, she is slow. She is slower than anybody you will be matching her up against in this forum, unless you plan on pitting her against old Hiruzen, Hidan, Part I Kabuto, who are the only other semi-notable fighters with below a 4 in speed.
 
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