If all you can do is regurgitate "he is low Jonin" with nothing to back your statement, your argument is nonexistent. I have provided solid facts to back my statements, while all you have done is spew unsupported nonsense. I guess you believe Tsunade is stronger than current Sasuke and Naruto too because "lolgenin" right?
Kimimaro beat the sound four single-handedly, who in turn beat two low Jonin, so as I said earlier, he is by definition above low Jonin level.
And Tsunade lost to Kabuto, who in turn admitted inferiority to Kimimaro, thus Kimimaro is stronger than Tsunade using your outstanding primitive logic.
He was more than just sick - he was moments away from death, and was not supposed to be able to move, let alone fight. Stop trying to undervalue the fact that he was hooked up to a complex life support system.
You are misinformed or being willfully ignorant if you believe Gaara was Genin level during Sasuke Retrieval Arc.
In the first freakin' chapter of this series, Naruto stomped a Chunin (Mizuki). Several chapters later, Sasuke did the same to not one, but two Chunin (Demon Brothers) and this was without the Sharingan. Rock Lee then proceeded to man-handle that very same Sasuke with Sharingan unlocked without using gates or removing his leg weights. That same Rock Lee, using gates, lost to Chunin Exam Gaara. SRA Gaara is stronger than Chunin exam Gaara.
KN0 Naruto and Rock Lee were easily low Jonin level, while SRA Gaara was on the higher end of the Jonin spectrum, if not low Kage level. He became the Kazekage over the timeskip, and it is not a stretch to say he was promoted shortly after the Sasuke Retreival Arc. We saw how fast Konoha rushed to promote Kakashi / Danzo as Tsunade replacements due to how important it is to have a Kage in place, and I'm sure the other villages have similar policies. We cannot assume the sand went Kage-less for an extended period of time.
Kimimaro lost after demolishing KN0 Naruto's KB army, Rock Lee (albeit ungated), and SRA Gaara. And he never lost in the traditional sense - his sickness overwhelmed him, not the strength of his enemies.
I dont care about your opinion. I KNOW a HOKAGE ( even Hiruzen ) shits on Kimimaro ( low jounin ), if you disagree that's your problem. Everyone can have an opinion.
Its funny that you say "opinion." My entire post is citing indisputable facts. You, on the other hand, called me delusional yet failed to prove why. All you have done is regurgitate the same "he is low Jonin level" line like a broken record player.
It is a fact that Kabuto admitted he was inferior to Kimimaro. It is a fact that Kimimaro was hooked to life support minutes before he headed out to battle. It is a fact that Gaara admitted Kimimaro would have killed them if his illness hadn't overwhelmed him.
It is a fact that Naruto was above Chunin level from chapter 1 given how he had easily defeated one. It is a fact that Sasuke beat two Chunin within the first dozen chapters. It is a fact that an unserious Rock Lee manhandled a stronger version of that very same Sasuke that fodderized two Chunin. It is a fact that Gaara beat a serious Rock Lee. And it is a fact that SRA Gaara with mineral enhanced sand is stronger than Chunin Exam Gaara.
Please elaborate how you reached the ridiculous conclusion that SRA Gaara is Genin level and Kimimaro is low Jonin level when he is capable of fodderizing two low Jonin to begin with.
Kakashi also became a potential Hokage candidate when Tsunade felt in coma and I think he would have become even without a power like Kamui. Kakashi truly had the potential to become a Hokage in terms of experience, cogitation and his character. One must be a good leader and not just powerful. The fourth Kazekage, despite being the leader of Sunagakure got fodderized by Orochimaru, just like the third Kazekage, being called the strongest Kazekage in history of Sunagaakure was fodderized by Sasori. The rank can't be the argument as the fight itself is depended by other factors, thus being possible that a Jounin can become a bad match up for a Kage. Kakashi is also Jounin but would one shot Tsunade with Kamui.
Kakashi also became a potential Hokage candidate when Tsunade felt in coma and I think he would have become even without a power like Kamui. Kakashi truly had the potential to become a Hokage in terms of experience, cogitation and his character. One must be a good leader and not just powerful. The fourth Kazekage, despite being the leader of Sunagakure got fodderized by Orochimaru, just like the third Kazekage, being called the strongest Kazekage in history of Sunagaakure was fodderized by Sasori. The rank can't be the argument as the fight itself is depended by other factors, thus being possible that a Jounin can become a bad match up for a Kage. Kakashi is also Jounin but would one shot Tsunade with Kamui.
If you can disagree with BlackWolf's arguments but don't have any arguments to post yourself.. You're clearly just wrong. People should try not to be so close-minded and actually be willing to change their opinions.
If you can disagree with BlackWolf's arguments but don't have any arguments to post yourself.. You're clearly just wrong. People should try not to be so close-minded and actually be willing to change their opinions.
Please quote normally, its annoying to reply when you put in the text within the quote because I then have to manually find and highlight each one of your replies.
Ok, not feeling pain wont stop her from short circuiting his body and continue to smash him
Kimimaro's significant speed advantage and Taijutsu style are enough to ensure he won't get hit by her. The only way she will be able to touch him is in a no knowledge scenario, given he will try to tank her attack only to be taken by surprise either by her above average physical power or by her scramble technique.
Furthermore, its highly questionable how effective the nerve scramble technique will do to a guy who can casually pull out his spine and other vital bones. If he were normal, pulling out his spine would either kill him or paralyze him at least. He can casually impale his own vital organs as well so I'm not convinced the scramble technique will affect him anywhere near how it affected Kabuto.
She wont send debris I meant as to get him to jump away and stop carving her, the main point is to just create a crater ( Which doesn't block line of vision )
Tsunade punching the ground will undoubtedly send a bunch of broken rock fragments and debris into the air. She punched the ground against Kabuto, and that is precisely what happened.
Kabuto could have easily killed her then because we know his chakra scalpels can be used in a Chidori-like fashion, as seen in the flashback against Orochimaru. Instead, he chose to simply cut nerves because they needed her alive to heal Orochimaru rather than shove it in her brain. If it was Kimimaro who got behind her and flanking her, she would be decapitated or have her skull stabbed.
It may not be "Full speed" but this was pretty fast. Probably his fastest feat in Part 1
Again, Orochimaru was handicapped with an illness eating away at his body, and his target was an unconscious kid, not Tsunade. Its questionable how impressive the speed he was using there was to begin with.
How will she get skewered if she's continually moving ( Ninja's cant stand on tips? )
The Uchiha brothers, who are both significantly faster and more reflexive than Tsunade is, resorted to Susano'o as a defence to Kimimaro's bone forest. Telling me "continually moving" is a counter to that technique is not realistic, especially when Rock Lee (who even in DB2 had a higher speed stat than Tsunade) had to be saved by Gaara's sand levitation to survive, and still would have died if Kimimaro's illness didn't kick in the moment it did.
Kimimaro's significant speed advantage and Taijutsu style are enough to ensure he won't get hit by her. The only way she will be able to touch him is in a no knowledge scenario, given he will try to tank her attack only to be taken by surprise either by her above average physical power or by her scramble technique.
Once he gets into CQC with her then he very much gets hit, and there is no knowledge in the scenario (unless OP states it) so he gets hit and scrambles his body.
Furthermore, its highly questionable how effective the nerve scramble technique will do to a guy who can casually pull out his spine and other vital bones. If he were normal, pulling out his spine would either kill him or paralyze him at least. He can casually impale his own vital organs as well so I'm not convinced the scramble technique will affect him anywhere near how it affected Kabuto.
The scramble technique will affect him because it effects his nervous system how the brain sends messages to the body. Orochimaru has noted saying it has nothing to do with a persons muscles.
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Tsunade punching the ground will undoubtedly send a bunch of broken rock fragments and debris into the air. She punched the ground against Kabuto, and that is precisely what happened.
Well first of all, that scene was not shown. Jiraya,Shizune, and naruto were investigating the damage she caused. Theoretically she would've done so, but who knows if the rocks were there in the first place. she can punch the ground and only cause cracks no huge boulders flying everywhere. And even if she does so happen to create big boulders the location is an open field just back away from it.
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Kabuto could have easily killed her then because we know his chakra scalpels can be used in a Chidori-like fashion, as seen in the flashback against Orochimaru. Instead, he chose to simply cut nerves because they needed her alive to heal Orochimaru rather than shove it in her brain. If it was Kimimaro who got behind her and flanking her, she would be decapitated or have her skull stabbed.
Yes, but you and alot of other people are forgetting a crucial fact. Tsunade was rusty, she hasn't fought for a few years what would you expect?
Also she was hemophobic (Afraid of blood) so Kabuto had the advantage. so if it was Kimmi who got behind her she would simply react to it.
Again, Orochimaru was handicapped with an illness eating away at his body, and his target was an unconscious kid, not Tsunade. Its questionable how impressive the speed he was using there was to begin with.
Show me another scan of him going that faster than that in Part 1.
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The Uchiha brothers, who are both significantly faster and more reflexive than Tsunade is, resorted to Susano'o as a defence to Kimimaro's bone forest. Telling me "continually moving" is a counter to that technique is not realistic, especially when Rock Lee (who even in DB2 had a higher speed stat than Tsunade) had to be saved by Gaara's sand levitation to survive, and still would have died if Kimimaro's illness didn't kick in the moment it did.
By the time the first bone came up Lee reacted to it (but couldnt dodge), and when I mean continually moving I mean when shes bouncing off of the spikes, and please don't bring up hyperbole filled bs like the data books, If you want to use that be my guest. Bone forest's height doesnt really compare to Katsuyu so Tsunade stands on her.
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- Katsuyu's height
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- Bone forest's height
[NINJUTSU; Katsuyu Daibunretsu (Katsuyu's Grand Division of the Slugs*)
User: Katsuyu
Supplementary; Rank: none
Main text
Capturing her is impossible already! Because she is a boneless mollusk, she has a fantastical ability to transform at will, that of deciding to divide her whole body or to reunite it. All physical attacks are nullified before this technique. No matter how violent the strike, it won't amount to more than a fruitless attempt. The enemy will just exhaust themselves accordingly and eventually fall to the ground.
Caption
-Her mollusk's body, which has no part that can be grasped, brings forth a full-body division!
Picture comment
-She avoids the attacks by dividing her whole body. And she did so with ease, even against Manda, Orochimaru's summoned Great Snake's firm and tight grip.
*"Katsuyu" is just a custom reading for "namekuji", which translates as "slug".
Katsuyu's Databook entry
so she can survive being split apart and ripped to shreds
If Kimimaro physically couldn't move and literally only moved himself from sheer willpower alone to take on 3 very powerful opponents.. Like he literally had no control over his body and he had to force it to work for him, would he be able to fight against the body scramble like Kabuto did?
If Kimimaro physically couldn't move and literally only moved himself from sheer willpower alone to take on 3 very powerful opponents.. Like he literally had no control over his body and he had to force it to work for him, would he be able to fight against the body scramble like Kabuto did?
