Edo Itachi vs SM Kabuto

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Its real Itachi who then activates crow genjustu.
so what you are saying is the real itachi got stabbed, then used genjutsu on kabuto to turn into crows, then regenerated from the sword wound? That doesn't make sense because alive Itachi's crow clone was pierced by Sasuke, then turned into a bunch of crows. you can't say itachi regenerated from the sword wound in that instance because he wasn't edo. Not to mention, none of Itachi's genjutsu bar izanami can work on a Kabuto that's visually blind so you saying it's crow genjutsu is wrong.
 

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And despite all of that, Nagato was still unable to walk.

Itachi does feel pain. He squinted, held his ears, and couldn't move, just like Sasuke. Sasuke not being able to maintain Susanoo only means Itachis focus and chakra control is better than his.

How exactly do you think Itachi wins this? I'm curious.
Because Nagato's body was structurally too weak to move. Even when he got his regular body back, muscle memory is the reason he couldn't move.

-Squinted? Because of the light. Not pain.
-Ears? Sound, not pain.
-Immobilized? Because of the vibrations in the air, not pain.

Chakra control has little to do with it. Itachi was able to use Susanoo because the effects of White Rage did not hurt him like they would an alive Human being.

Well, all of Kabuto's techs were countered in canon bar Genjutsu, which a clone can help him break out of instead of Sasuke. Either Itachi closes off Kabuto's points of escape by using Amaterasu spam, or he engages him in CQC and takes him down with multiple widespread slashes of Totsuka used in conjunction with Amaterasu.
 

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Itachi trolololos
 

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Lol not saying that the example is legit or not, but really now? You can't be serious? Crow Genjutsu? When they couldn't cast any type of ocular Genjutsu or Genjutsu that'd require Kabuto to visually perceive something? Smh. Who did he cast the Genjutsu on? Some unknown 4th person? Maybe he broke the fourth wall and cast it on us? :lol

But considering you think that everything that happened in Izanami is possible in the real world, and since beans has already proven that crow clone Itachi was using Susanoo, you've basically conceded to his argument.

Not sure why people are trying to argue against EDO Itachi being able to do so anyway when not a single sentence of evidence has been provided for that point. Only Alive Itachi and the points dropped for that are sub par at best.
so what you are saying is the real itachi got stabbed, then used genjutsu on kabuto to turn into crows, then regenerated from the sword wound? That doesn't make sense because alive Itachi's crow clone was pierced by Sasuke, then turned into a bunch of crows. you can't say itachi regenerated from the sword wound in that instance because he wasn't edo. Not to mention, none of Itachi's genjutsu bar izanami can work on a Kabuto that's visually blind so you saying it's crow genjutsu is wrong.

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Top right panel.

Also he states 'when he stabbed me' unless you think the clone started Inzanami or he would have stated he stabbed my clone.

So here is how it goes kids. Real Itachi is stabbed and real Itachi activates the genjustu . It was never clones who used susano, it was always real Itachi who then casts a crow genjustu, its part of the loop.

Eat shit lol JK but seriously dont act so tough especially when you might be wrong and then dont mock people.
 

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Top right panel.

Also he states 'when he stabbed me' unless you think the clone started Inzanami or he would have stated he stabbed my clone.

So here is how it goes kids. Real Itachi is stabbed and real Itachi activates the genjustu . It was never clones who used susano, it was always real Itachi who then casts a crow genjustu, its part of the loop.

Eat shit lol JK but seriously dont act so tough especially when you might be wrong and then dont mock people.
That's an outlier then, or just a figure of speech. Because if you're driving and another driver hits your car, you might say "that car just hit me!" instead of "that car just hit my car."

This doesn't change the fact that:

-Itachi would have a wound going through his chest. Don't say he survived because of edo regen, because the exact same thing as happened with alive itachi and he did not have any wounds.
-Visual genjutsu does not work on a blind Kabuto, so genjutsu is impossible.

Just accept that Itachi can make crow clones, and they are real, tangible, crows. Not genjutsu.
 

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That's an outlier then, or just a figure of speech. Because if you're driving and another driver hits your car, you might say "that car just hit me!" instead of "that car just hit my car."

This doesn't change the fact that:

-Itachi would have a wound going through his chest. Don't say he survived because of edo regen, because the exact same thing as happened with alive itachi and he did not have any wounds.
-Visual genjutsu does not work on a blind Kabuto, so genjutsu is impossible.

Just accept that Itachi can make crow clones, and they are real, tangible, crows. Not genjutsu.
Read the top right panel. I have nothing more to say. Accept your lose and move on.
 

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Top right panel.

Also he states 'when he stabbed me' unless you think the clone started Inzanami or he would have stated he stabbed my clone.

So here is how it goes kids. Real Itachi is stabbed and real Itachi activates the genjustu . It was never clones who used susano, it was always real Itachi who then casts a crow genjustu, its part of the loop.

Eat shit lol JK but seriously dont act so tough especially when you might be wrong and then dont mock people.
Itachi's clone is him. What's hilarious is that you are using wording that can be taken either way as an attempt to prove that this:

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wasn't a clone. Learn how Itachi's arsenal works and then get at me. Itachi feints w/ clones and then when they get hit, they burst into crows. If an Itachi gets stabbed and he bursts into crows, then it's a damn clone. Not disputable unless you got feats of the real Itachi changing his body into crows.

Why in the hell are you going on about "Crow Genjutsu" when Itachi can't cast Genjutsu on Kabuto due to Kabuto blocking his cornea? Smh. And you wonder why I'm mocking you. Cause you sound foolish.
 

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Itachi's clone is him. What's hilarious is that you are using wording that can be taken either way as an attempt to prove that this:

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wasn't a clone. Learn how Itachi's arsenal works and then get at me. Itachi feints w/ clones and then when they get hit, they burst into crows. If an Itachi gets stabbed and he bursts into crows, then it's a damn clone. Not disputable unless you got feats of the real Itachi changing his body into crows.

Why in the hell are you going on about "Crow Genjutsu" when Itachi can't cast Genjutsu on Kabuto due to Kabuto blocking his cornea? Smh. And you wonder why I'm mocking you. Cause you sound foolish.
'When you drag him into a loop its easier.....affecting his vision' (Top right panel)

Its all part of a loop. Itachi is stabbed and activates with his sharingan.
 

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So when you're faced with overwhelming evidence that you're wrong, you instead rely on an obvious outlier without countering the other proof that I gave. Nice.
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"How? I have no sight, I should be invulnerbale to genjustu"

"But this is clearly"

And please lord dont question what he meant with clearly.
 

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If you look at Itachi's eyes you will realise that Izanami had not been activated yet since the eye didn't lose its light yet.
 

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'When you drag him into a loop its easier.....affecting his vision' (Top right panel)

Its all part of a loop. Itachi is stabbed and activates with his sharingan.
:lol Are you trolling? Are you just going to take everything someone says and twist it around while ignoring clues that clearly point in the other direction? The proper direction?

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Itachi said that it's easy to cast Visual Genjutsu on Kabuto if he's stuck in a loop. If he's stuck in a loop then he can't stop Itachi from walking up to him and forcing his eyes open, which is what he did in canon. Then there's the fact that you are clearly misinterpreting how Izanami is used.

Step 1: User makes a movement. (Izanami is cast)

Step 2: User lets the course of the confrontation continue.

Step 3: User replicates the first movement, and that begins the loop. (User is dragged into the loop, and Izanami is completed)



Izanami activated the moment Itachi replicated his first movement. When his eye went white. Quit twisting what the man is saying when his explanation is irrefutable.
 

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No. He started it .
Learn how Izanami works. That was point A, which is the end of the recording and the initiation of Izanami. Clearly indicated by his eye, meaning the first case was not Genjutsu since Izanami was not active at the time.
 

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"How? I have no sight, I should be invulnerbale to genjustu"

"But this is clearly"

And please lord dont question what he meant with clearly.
Dude. Learn how to read and use some deductive reasoning while you are at it.

1. Kabuto stated that he is invulnerable to Genjutsu (Visual Genjutsu as that is the only Genjutsu he thought the Uchiha bros could cast)

2. But is surprised because he realizes he is in some Genjutsu.

What he doesn't know is that Itachi caught him in a Genjutsu that is irrelevant to eyesight. Kabuto's statement was only made because he thought Itachi could only use Visual Genjutsu. If this isn't a troll, then I'm honestly and sincerely flabbergasted. How could one misinterpret the most obvious of things?
 

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"How? I have no sight, I should be invulnerbale to genjustu"

"But this is clearly"

And please lord dont question what he meant with clearly.
What are you trying to prove here? That visual genjutsu will work on someone without vision?
 

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:lol Are you trolling? Are you just going to take everything someone says and twist it around while ignoring clues that clearly point in the other direction? The proper direction?

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Itachi said that it's easy to cast Visual Genjutsu on Kabuto if he's stuck in a loop. If he's stuck in a loop then he can't stop Itachi from walking up to him and forcing his eyes open, which is what he did in canon. Then there's the fact that you are clearly misinterpreting how Izanami is used.

Step 1: User makes a movement. (Izanami is cast)

Step 2: User lets the course of the confrontation continue.

Step 3: User replicates the first movement, and that begins the loop. (User is dragged into the loop, and Izanami is completed)



Izanami activated the moment Itachi replicated his first movement. When his eye went white. Quit twisting what the man is saying when his explanation is irrefutable.
Learn how Izanami works. That was point A, which is the end of the recording and the initiation of Izanami. Clearly indicated by his eye, meaning the first case was not Genjutsu since Izanami was not active at the time.
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"When did you cast it"

"That first time Kabuto stabbed me"

Kabuto was Inzanami at that point.

Itachi states Inzanami is an ocular justu which affects all the senses.
 

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I Made a thread about when Izanami started it had to have started in the beginning

People say it's right here but if you look closely you'll see that Itachi eye is already gone from the effects of izanami if it did start there then why isn't the snake Shirohebi on that exact same spot?There no trace of the snake skin Shirohebi around at all so it could have started there.

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Lets go back We see Sasuke pics up his sword, So if Izanami was started were people were claiming why isn't the snake skin there also on that exact same spot? If it had happened after It would have still been there if it was done before Sasuke would have still had his sword would he not but we see it into the ground?




I believe Itachi began Izanami right here.

The line up of events doesn't match up with the scenery Sasuke sword is out of place , The shedded snake skins missing , the kunai with the tag kabuto had the whole time vanished.
 
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