The case on Houtarou
First question seems reasonable enough. He's trying to probe into Ansa's head and figure why he'd make that comment. From the way he was asking it, turns out he might've disagreed with it, therefore, I would've expected that he's on to something.
I will add a quick note here. As much as mafia is a game about what people do, it is also a game about what they
don't do. I want you to notice how he just flies over this question and doesn't follow through with it.
@TheLukundo what's your initial impression on Ansa vs. Michelle's argument?
Now, he's got into assessing a whole another person and not giving a damn about whatever Ansa replied with. He didn't form a read off of Ansa. Now he moved on to Lukundo. This also seems like a reasonable question to ask, but why single Lukundo out for it and why doesn't he try to make something of it on his own? I want you to ask yourselves, when have you ever asked someone about their opinion on an interaction and you ever followed whatever answer as provided without analysing it yourselves in the first place?
Assuming I said All_Red doesn't play like that, what will you do?
This is where his questions start going downhill. I think it's just this one and one more after. What purpose does this question serve for his deduction of my alignment? Absolutely zero. It's just some sort of teasing / banter that you'd do in the third grade when you had a crush or something. In this post, you can absolutely tell he was not in a mentality of trying to figure out my role, just in one that is looking to be active and joke with people.
I don't understand.... why would anyone gonna trust gut feeling? you made a hunch or had the feeling that Ansa was mafia in the last game but things don't work this way. You gotta provide a reason and if you think anyone gonna trust on a hunch or gut feeling then you're in a wrong place
We reach a very different type of mentality in here. Although in the first few posts we saw some sort of inquisitive Houtarou, in this post we see a Houtarou that tries to shut down someone's read on someone, which is NOT townie. Try and put yourself into his position and explore this realm for yourself. "Why would anyone trust a gut feeling?" -> denying a read, putting someone's reads down.
"you made a hunch that ansa was mafia in last game but things don't work this way" -> again, denying a read. And the last phrase is just the exact same thing. The mentality that comes out of this specific post is that of an ongoing denial. Why would he question gut reads? That's a lot of times what town do. They vote weirdly and not at all times is there tangible evidence for a vote. I find it hard to believe that he would question Lukundo's gut read as a town here. Especially if Houtarou has played before, he KNOWS that as town reads like that happen at all times. If I were in his shoes and I didn't know anyone's alignment, that's not a statement I would make. I'd look to further explore that gut feeling and what caused it, because deep down, there IS a reason for suspecting someone, although vague, it can be found in a post, cuz that's what usually causes it. But this guy just straight up shut down his read without even giving any sort of read on Ansa. It looks like he knows both of their alignments and is shutting someone's reads down in order to look cool / appear like he's doing solid work. This post should rustle everyone's jimmies
Give town reads like gold, not candy.... you can't read players town this early in the phase... outside of All_Red you don't seems to have your stand on anyone, is she's your focus for today?
And then this is the peak of my points that I made in the last few questions. "Give town reads like gold, not candy" -> wolf mentality. Trying to shut down my town reads. I didn't even give my reasoning for my town reads and he's just instantly shutting it down. I don't think that's a genuine thought that he'd have. I don't think he has ever played a town game and NEVER found a town on day one. Mind you, this comment was made on a read of mine that consisted of 3 people. 3. Not 6, not 7. 3.
This post is just all wrong in all sorts of ways. He just instantly shuts down my town reads and wants me to move with my scum reads. That's not town mentality. He already knows my role most likely, he already knows I'm on a right track and is trying to deflect. He didn't even try exploring why I have those reads. No attempt of sorting me, just denial of my reads. Same thing with Luk (denial of a gut read) and same thing with Ansa. Asked him a question that he never followed up on.
Try to ask yourselves whether you'd actually ever make that comment if you were in his shoes and you were town, part of the UNINFORMED minority. If you wanted to figure someone out, you'd ask why someone has those reads, you wouldn't shut them down. When was ever a town's agenda to shut someone's town reads down?
