[Game] Drinks of Sophistication - Mafia Game #20

[Houtarou]

This is where his questions start going downhill. I think it's just this one and one more after. What purpose does this question serve for his deduction of my alignment? Absolutely zero. It's just some sort of teasing / banter that you'd do in the third grade when you had a crush or something. In this post, you can absolutely tell he was not in a mentality of trying to figure out my role, just in one that is looking to be active and joke with people.

No, it doesn't really serve for teasing banter.. more I wanted to know if you're gonna read Red based on her meta or her current gameplay whichever makes you feel better. Like for intense of she playing completely different than she usually does but doing a good job in-game solving, etc etc so what will you do? You gonna vote her for playing differently or gonna give her town cred... that was my question serving the purpose.

We reach a very different type of mentality in here. Although in the first few posts we saw some sort of inquisitive Houtarou, in this post we see a Houtarou that tries to shut down someone's read on someone, which is NOT townie. Try and put yourself into his position and explore this realm for yourself. "Why would anyone trust a gut feeling?" -> denying a read, putting someone's reads down.

"you made a hunch that ansa was mafia in last game but things don't work this way" -> again, denying a read. And the last phrase is just the exact same thing. The mentality that comes out of this specific post is that of an ongoing denial. Why would he question gut reads? That's a lot of times what town do. They vote weirdly and not at all times is there tangible evidence for a vote. I find it hard to believe that he would question Lukundo's gut read as a town here. Especially if Houtarou has played before, he KNOWS that as town reads like that happen at all times. If I were in his shoes and I didn't know anyone's alignment, that's not a statement I would make. I'd look to further explore that gut feeling and what caused it, because deep down, there IS a reason for suspecting someone, although vague, it can be found in a post, cuz that's what usually causes it. But this guy just straight up shut down his read without even giving any sort of read on Ansa. It looks like he knows both of their alignments and is shutting someone's reads down in order to look cool / appear like he's doing solid work. This post should rustle everyone's jimmies

I am asking, can you win a game based on completely gut feeling... Yeah, you could a voting player based on gut feeling and I am not against that because that's on them... I am against the idea of why would someone gonna follow there lead just because they said they have a gut feeling? That's why we provide a reason to make other players follow our lead. For intense he could be a mafia who acting as a town by making following that usual play of gut feeling and so on


And for another post... you're trying to read too much into it and one single post can be interpreted in many ways and what you did right now was complete assumption.

And I can't answer all of them.. I don't have much time

 

[Thestatusquo]

more I wanted to know if you're gonna read Red based on her meta or her current gameplay whichever makes you feel better

I didn't say I know her meta. This comes across as fake. All I asked was if that's how she usually plays. This is a leap of logic that screams scum agenda.

If I knew her meta then I wouldn't have asked if that's how she usually plays? Doesn't make sense.

And for another post... you're trying to read too much into it and one single post can be interpreted in many ways and what you did right now was complete assumption.

Again, trying to shut down my read, even though this game is founded on assumptions, assumption that x is town, assumption that y is mafia, but then again, you informed people don't really grasp that concept, you can only perceive the absolute truth.

I am asking, can you win a game based on completely gut feeling

Yes.

I am against the idea of why would someone gonna follow there lead just because they said they have a gut feeling?

That's basic logic, you didn't have to make a mountain out of a mole hill. If you actually wanted to follow him, you would've asked him questions on it, which you haven't, you just flat out shut him down.

That's why we provide a reason to make other players follow our lead.

Why do you feel like he didn't have justification for his reads? You just didn't explore it enough.

For intense he could be a mafia who acting as a town by making following that usual play of gut feeling and so on

Scum have to build massive cases and need to have lots of reasons, that's their modus operandi. You shading him for something that's inherently townie trait is bad.

 

[Houtarou]

I didn't say I know her meta. This comes across as fake. All I asked was if that's how she usually plays. This is a leap of logic that screams scum agenda.

If I knew her meta then I wouldn't have asked if that's how she usually plays? Doesn't make sense.

I am not saying you knew her meta, I am saying what if others told you that she playing differently

Again, trying to shut down my read, even though this game is founded on assumptions, assumption that x is town, assumption that y is mafia, but then again, you informed people don't really grasp that concept, you can only perceive the absolute truth.

I am not really shutting down... but you're reading in too deep... if you want me to give you reply on that then I can but an argument of these sorts can go on forever if you go on, so there's no end of different assumption, interpretation and so on.

Yes

I say otherwise, so why are you making reads? Why are you solving game man... go sit and do your gut feeling thing, cuz I ain't playing for that.

That's basic logic, you didn't have to make a mountain out of a mole hill. If you actually wanted to follow him, you would've asked him questions on it, which you haven't, you just flat out shut him down.

I only made one post regarding that, how can you even tell I shut him down, I simply told he need convince others if he wants us to follow his lead... if you think following someone who just had a gut feeling then you're just trying to prove your point with shit logic... I can't believe you think this even makes sense lol. It's laughable to think you wanna follow someone who doesn't provide anything on the table... are you perhaps trying to win the trust of that player

What are you doing right now is spamming the thread with the same shit and trying to look like you're solving the game but in reality what you're doing is trying to look consistent which mafia tend to do to look good.

Why do you feel like he didn't have justification for his reads? You just didn't explore it enough.

Or maybe he didn't say anything... all he said gut feeling and if you can explore in that then I wonder how the mafia works for you... and did I killed him, did I lynched him, did I silenced him? How can you tell I didn't give him time for his justification? I didn't see anything like that happened

 

[Houtarou]

Also Adios... I can't reply anymore cuz I need to go... I didn't have the time to even make my replies and all so I wasn't able to partake in-game but I hope my subs able to lol

 

[Michelle]

Luke why is that Omgus ?
Explain me why and how I am scum for you. I want the reasons. You claim to be a villager who ignores the gamestate?

Let's say you are villager. I will need your brain and before I have a little explanation of why (the parenthesis in the text are not for you ofc)
I don't need your claim if it isn't mechanically useful. I need a claim of a cop if they catched scum, or a vig if there is any, or the odd night watcher IF he has infos.
This is all i want mechanically speaking. Because mechanics can break the game. But we don't know how to claim because we are not used with it, I found that in the hydra game (a game where the players are 2 ppl playing in the same account) when I was almost mislynched and El (my partener) saved us by claiming. The idea of claiming that we were town PR didn't pass through my mind 15 mins before Eod with us top wagon. Our wagon dissipated in seconds after the claim...

My claim is also not very useful but my interpretation is included in my reads. If needed I will claim because I want for everyone to think at the implications more.

The main question for you is:
Exercise of imagination: who would roleblock TSQ?

@TheLukundo

 

[Michelle]

Also Adios... I can't reply anymore cuz I need to go... I didn't have the time to even make my replies and all so I wasn't able to partake in-game but I hope my subs able to lol

Be safe Oreki! See you when the problems at you are gone

 

[Michelle]

Because I am convinced I will vote, who knows what may happen irl and again in the evening, maybe I'll be busy, i hoped to see more playing tbh

Welcome @Sagebee, give us your first ideas even if you didn't read much.
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[Michelle]

Vote lynch: @Ansatsuken

For the reasons already stated.

 

[Michelle]

I meant TSQ still gave Luku green read eventhough Luku looking more like an opportunist than innocent town

Luke is a good player no matter alignament . He can fake the towny self.
I am not accusing TSQ for town reading Luke. Not before Luke flipping red anyway.

I'm aware that Luku looked more like an opportunist in this game than previous game. Remind me back to that old time classic game when Luku was scum with Alice.

Yes this is true but you also are looking opportunistic. Even the idea of casing Luke it's opportunistic.

Like FinalBeta said "we go one by one as we cant lynch two people in one day"

This is scum FB isn't it? You followed that idea yourself.

 

[Sagebee]

Hello just subbing in need to catch up while I do if you want to share who you find most suss that would be helpful.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Luke is a good player no matter alignament . He can fake the towny self.
I am not accusing TSQ for town reading Luke. Not before Luke flipping red anyway.

So Luk is green for you now?

Yes this is true but you also are looking opportunistic. Even the idea of casing Luke it's opportunistic.

How is the idea of casing Luku looked opportunistic? And in what why I'm opportunistic? So anything I do know is label as opportunistic action. Are you even real?

When you said this it seems like you're just faking having a scum lean on Luku. Tbh it just a tool you used as your trap's bait. Making me look guilty without any good reason but enough it can catch me off guard. Good game Michelle.

You are looking more opportunistic than me tbh. Even your 1DP vote on me looked opportunistic.

I'm just waiting for All_Red to vote me to complete all the team members of Mafia.

Not much different to my Mafia team from the last game.

This is scum FB isn't it? You followed that idea yourself.

No, that coming from Town FinalBeta in LOL1 game.

 

[Ansatsuken]

When you refused to acknowledge that All_Red is Mafia is the time I know you're Mafia. Even Kyte in his last comment(Rej has deleted it) said he believe that Michelle is faking. I should saved that comment tbh.

 

[Ansatsuken]

I don't care if I die. Town won't get anything from my lynch. They still need to work hard.

 

[Ansatsuken]

But I can only smell mislynch upon mislynch in the future.

 

[Ansatsuken]

You all want to know how many suspect inside Michelle's read? It's only 2

 

[Ansatsuken]

VoteLynch: All_Red

So be it../

 

[Ansatsuken]

Don't ask me any question. I had enough with all these fake play.

 

[Michelle]

So Luk is green for you now?

no I never said that. I said IF.

 

[Michelle]

When you refused to acknowledge that All_Red is Mafia is the time I know you're Mafia. Even Kyte in his last comment(Rej has deleted it) said he believe that Michelle is faking. I should saved that comment tbh.

No I said I have a town lean for her.
Why should I sheep your read if I don't feel it?

 

[Michelle]

You all want to know how many suspect inside Michelle's read? It's only 2

Yes, you and Luke. And the last is very well hidden imo.
So I have a null pool. And even if I am wrong about you, that will not make me wolf from villager. That would be your fail to project town if I am wrong. But I don't think I am wrong from the oddness of your play now.
You are too offended by that tbh.