Don't underestimate The Uchiha Clan

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Again u are ignoring blaze's proof. He showed u what manga stream said and everyone will tell you that its one of the best sources for correct translations. So we have to go by what the best translation says so its uchiha=senju. there are plenty of bad translations on mangahere and mangapanda etc.

like this one

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they praise madara to be the strongest shinobi in the world in this scan from mangahere website

Stop calling people dickriders because they dont agree with you especially when *********** post from blaze shows that they are referring to hashirama not the senju clan. And its not at all wrong to say uchiha>senju as a matter of fact at this current moment. And also historically as we have seen there are more prominen and powerful shinobi from the uchiha clan than the senju. So i can easily make the arguement with you that in itachi and shisui's generation uchiha>senju and the current period uchihas>senju.

I believe both clans are equal but look at it from an historic aspect and its easy to see uchiha produced better shinobi sasuke, madara(ems), itachi, izuna, shisui. top tier senjus were tsunade, hashirama and tobirama. I am obviously not counting the senju powerups in the mix which is why obito is not really valid but just one of his eyes make kakashi a force to be reckoned with.

official viz translation didn't say that.

How would you even know that is the "best" translation

Also is that even ***********

 

[arv993]

official viz translation didn't say that.

How would you even know that is the "best" translation

Also is that even ***********

no the point of that scan was to show that mangahere/ mangapanda can be wrong a lot i said it below the scan. Many users on narutobase say that *********** is better so i trust it more and its obvious how sometimes mangapanda fails at its translations it doesnt flow as well as *********** mostly does.

you didnt even show the viz translation.

And stop being so outright biased u continually say senju are better overall than senju but can't refute my post historically and currently in the manga the uchihas produced better shinobi. if u want to look at it from the overall picture(from hashi's generation to the crrent one) one can easily argue uchiha is stronger than senju.

 

[YellowFlash1]

Tobi also helped

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

no the point of that scan was to show that mangahere/ mangapanda can be wrong a lot i said it below the scan. Many users on narutobase say that *********** is better so i trust it more and its obvious how sometimes mangapanda fails at its translations it doesnt flow as well as *********** mostly does.

you didnt even show the viz translation.

And stop being so outright biased u continually say senju are better overall than senju but can't refute my post historically and currently in the manga the uchihas produced better shinobi. if u want to look at it from the overall picture(from hashi's generation to the crrent one) one can easily argue uchiha is stronger than senju.

I showed the viz translation in a past post on this thread. Also I have never seen a scan saying uchiha are stronger in an historical flashback in naruto. Senju are always put first. "1st guy hires senju sencond guy hires uchiha." "Uchiha were the only one to match up to the senju's strength"

Everything in this manga has hinted they senju where stronger, I haven't seen one hint stating the uchiha were stronger.

So your telling me the uchiha produced better shinobi if I look from hashi's gen till now, yet most of the senju have died out -_- so who am I comparing it to tsunade.

In this manga the senju will always be above the uchiha in the end. just like we know soon sasuke will = naruto but in the end we know naruto > sasuke. Its just how this manga goes.

If senju and uchiha fought each other in a battle to the death around when konoha was formed. Senju would win at the end of the day.

Don't know where uchiha fans get uchiha > senju from.

 

[Edo Odin]

Tobi also helped

Did he ?

I thought he and Itachi agreed on Tobi staying out of the massacre.

Anyway, that just strengthens my point, the Uchiha clan fell to two super powerful Uchiha, while the clan was sleeping xd

I honestly don't get people who say the Uchiha are weak :shrug:

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Did he ?

I thought he and Itachi agreed on Tobi staying out of the massacre.

Anyway, that just strengthens my point, the Uchiha clan fell to two super powerful Uchiha, while the clan was sleeping xd

I honestly don't get people who say the Uchiha are weak :shrug:

They're 2nd in konoha I wouldn't actually say the senju or uchiha are weak. Weak compared to the strongest of their clans yes.

The senju and uchiha are 1st and 2nd clans in the entire naruto world as well as konoha.
(This is an actual reply to the op)

 

[arv993]

I showed the viz translation in a past post on this thread. Also I have never seen a scan saying uchiha are stronger in an historical flashback in naruto. Senju are always put first. "1st guy hires senju sencond guy hires uchiha." "Uchiha were the only one to match up to the senju's strength"

Everything in this manga has hinted they senju where stronger, I haven't seen one hint stating the uchiha were stronger.

So your telling me the uchiha produced better shinobi if I look from hashi's gen till now, yet most of the senju have died out -_- so who am I comparing it to tsunade.

In this manga the senju will always be above the uchiha in the end. just like we know soon sasuke will = naruto but in the end we know naruto > sasuke. Its just how this manga goes.

If senju and uchiha fought each other in a battle to the death around when konoha was formed. Senju would win at the end of the day.

Don't know where uchiha fans get uchiha > senju from.

i guess i didnt see it. i will go later and check it out.

Can't come with a proper rebuttal because if u look at them overall even though manga hints they are both equal more than anything. they simply show senjus as the good guys and uchihas are the bad guys and show senju atleast hashirama being more compassionate and not just power hungry.

Look at the prominent shinobi from both clans

Uchiha have itachi, madara, izuna, shisui, sasuke all of whom are extremely powerful shinobi.
senju have Hashirama and tobirama and tsunade is not even that strong but her in there for arguments sake.

Just by that we can see overall which clan produced better shinobi, and yet u say overall senju>uchiha stop being a fanboy. even at the height of the clan's power they were always seen as equals with the uchiha.

naruto is not a senju but an uzumaki not the same thing similar but not same, so much for someone who keeps saying he reads the manga and insults others based on it.

you are making such a bad argument u completely disregard the future members of the clan. Itachi, sasuke and shisui easily trump tsunade. Stop making poor arguments and accept the facts so far from the manga shows that senjus have produced less powerful ninja than uchihas. Fodders of senju generally are about as strong as fodders from uchiha so the basis of arguments can be made from only strong members of each clan since they make the difference

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

i guess i didnt see it. i will go later and check it out.

Can't come with a proper rebuttal because if u look at them overall even though manga hints they are both equal more than anything. they simply show senjus as the good guys and uchihas are the bad guys and show senju atleast hashirama being more compassionate and not just power hungry.

Look at the prominent shinobi from both clans

Uchiha have itachi, madara, izuna, shisui, sasuke all of whom are extremely powerful shinobi.
senju have Hashirama and tobirama and tsunade is not even that strong but her in there for arguments sake.

Just by that we can see overall which clan produced better shinobi, and yet u say overall senju>uchiha stop being a fanboy. even at the height of the clan's power they were always seen as equals with the uchiha.

naruto is not a senju but an uzumaki not the same thing similar but not same, so much for someone who keeps saying he reads the manga and insults others based on it.

you are making such a bad argument u completely disregard the future members of the clan. Itachi, sasuke and shisui easily trump tsunade. Stop making poor arguments and accept the facts so far from the manga shows that senjus have produced less powerful ninja than uchihas. Fodders of senju generally are about as strong as fodders from uchiha so the basis of arguments can be made from only strong members of each clan since they make the difference

How can you regard the future generations lol now your trolling. There are no more senju apart from tsunade and maybe some hidden ones. But either way most of them have died out.

The main argument in this thread was is senju and uchiha around the time they were all alive, so when they founded konoha.

Your argument is invalid.

Forget who we have seen so far and after konoha was founded.

When the manga talks about the past it is always implied senju were above the uchiha.

If it was implied the uchiha was above and the senju matched up to them, I would argue the same for the uchiha.

I am no fanboy of senju. Tbh I prefer the uchiha more. Mainly because we have barely seen any senju.

 

[lmao234]

I don't underestimate them. I just hate 'em (apart from Itachi).
What I'm trying to say is, some of us just don't like the Uchihas.

 

[Edo Odin]

They're 2nd in konoha I wouldn't actually say the senju or uchiha are weak. Weak compared to the strongest of their clans yes.

The senju and uchiha are 1st and 2nd clans in the entire naruto world as well as konoha.
(This is an actual reply to the op)

Well, most clans are weak compared to their strongest. Kimimaro is an example, he was stronger than all his clan members when he was a kid.

But yes, they are the two strongest clans, however, I've gotta disagree when you when you say that the Senju are stronger. They are equals, otherwise, the Senju would have just taken them down instead of forming an alliance

 

[Edo Odin]

I don't underestimate them. I just hate 'em (apart from Itachi).
What I'm trying to say is, some of us just don't like the Uchihas.

Meh, I guess you're right about that one.

Still, the Uchiha are personally my favorite clan Mainly because of the Sharingan

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Well, most clans are weak compared to their strongest. Kimimaro is an example, he was stronger than all his clan members when he was a kid.

But yes, they are the two strongest clans, however, I've gotta disagree when you when you say that the Senju are stronger. They are equals, otherwise, the Senju would have just taken them down instead of forming an alliance

There equals yes but at the end of the day. The senju will always be on top in this manga.

It will never go

1) Uchiha
2) Senju

It's just how this manga goes

Top 3 in konoha

1) Senju
2) Uchiha
3) Hyuga

Bost respected

1) senju
2) uchiha

Always senju first.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

Their members are capable of dropping Meteors.....I don't see hoe I csn underestimate them.....they are capable of producing OP black flames that instantly kill people....how do I underestimate them

 

[Bogard]

Good thread, but i must add that Itachi didn't attack the clan alone i believe. Obito participated and probably even Danzo and his root as well(since he got Sharingans after that and Obito said they met at that moment)

 

[ixc]

Uchiha clan > Senju clan. If Itachi, Shisui, Sasuke and Obito would have lived in that time they would have ass****ed the Senju. Do not forget that there were only a few of the Uchiha if not NONE of them besides Madara Uchiha didn't had the Mangekyou Sharingan.

The Uchiha clan surpassed the Senju clan with Itachi, Sasuke and Obito.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Uchiha clan > Senju clan. If Itachi, Shisui, Sasuke and Obito would have lived in that time they would have ass****ed the Senju. Do not forget that there were only a few of the Uchiha if not NONE of them besides Madara Uchiha didn't had the Mangekyou Sharingan.

The Uchiha clan surpassed the Senju clan with Itachi, Sasuke and Obito.

The senju clan is dead :/ of course the uchiha is stronger all the senju have is tsunade

But in the times konoha was founded the senju clan was overall stronger then the uchiha.

 

[Edo Odin]

There equals yes but at the end of the day. The senju will always be on top in this manga.

It will never go

1) Uchiha
2) Senju

It's just how this manga goes

Top 3 in konoha

1) Senju
2) Uchiha
3) Hyuga

Bost respected

1) senju
2) uchiha

Always senju first.

Agree with you on that one. It's sad how it's almost always the good guy who wins. Reminds me of when the dragon of the main villain in pokmon lost to a bird and a rat and a few others

Their members are capable of dropping Meteors.....I don't see hoe I csn underestimate them.....they are capable of producing OP black flames that instantly kill people....how do I underestimate them

Agreed. I've heard people say things like "Uchiha suck cause they got killed by a kid" and more things like that.

Good thread, but i must add that Itachi didn't attack the clan alone i believe. Obito participated and probably even Danzo and his root as well(since he got Sharingans after that and Obito said they met at that moment)

Thank you

And yeah, made a mistake about that one. I always thought Itachi had made a deal with Obito to not approach the clan, and let Itachi take care of things

Uchiha clan > Senju clan. If Itachi, Shisui, Sasuke and Obito would have lived in that time they would have ass****ed the Senju. Do not forget that there were only a few of the Uchiha if not NONE of them besides Madara Uchiha didn't had the Mangekyou Sharingan.

The Uchiha clan surpassed the Senju clan with Itachi, Sasuke and Obito.

Well, the Senju also had some powerful members, like Hashi, Tobirama and Tsunade. We just haven't seen lot of them yet. After all, the Senju and Uchiha were supposed to be equal.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Agree with you on that one. It's sad how it's almost always the good guy who wins. Reminds me of when the dragon of the main villain in pokmon lost to a bird and a rat and a few others

Yh it's just dumb logical in series, how things have to go because good guys always win

Like goku > vegeta at the end of the day. whether you want to call them rivals or equal. Anyway that series is done now so that is known

 

[Edo Odin]

Yh it's just dumb logical in series, how things have to go because good guys always win

Like goku > vegeta at the end of the day. whether you want to call them rivals or equal. Anyway that series is done now so that is known

Lol, kinda wish there'd actually be an anime/manga where the bad guy wins for once xd

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Lol, kinda wish there'd actually be an anime/manga where the bad guy wins for once xd

I would love if obito's and madara's moons eye plan was accomplished xd it would be so awesome