[VS] Doflamingo vs Rayliegh

[Punk Hazard]

Luffy only needed that because he ran out of G4 while in G4 Luffy is comparable to DD.

Doesn't matter. Couldn't defeat him alone, therefore he is lower ranked. Don't care if it's because Doffy overpowered him, outsped him, outsmarted him, or outlasted him.

Oh, Jozu is iffy because DD caught him off guard I won't place him below DD because of that.

Even if he was caught off-guard, he still wasn't able to bust out of the strings and Doflamingo broke out of a stronger version of the ice attack that incapacitated Jozu.

Shading, the bruise disappears right after.

Oda has been inconsistent with drawing bruises before, so this doesn't really defeat the argument.

Luffy pushed him back when he was off guard, him blocking doesn't mean anything, or did you expect Fuji to let Luffy hit him?

No? Fujitora was fully on guard when Luffy was pushing him back in Gear 2, as by then they were in a full fight. Only time Fuji was off-guard was with the Elephant Gun. Considering the sheer range of Fujitora's Observation Haki and senses, him being able to sense lightning over Dressrosa in Green Bit when Doflamingo and Law could not, means he pretty much CAN'T be caught off guard cuz he could sense Luffy coming from literally miles away.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Middle? Hell no. Bottom? Debatable.

Def middle he could replicate any feat done by the whitebeard commanders and then some, that is including Marco who is the closest to the top ten alive ppl ( that being Kaido Akainu Shanks Big mam Dragonakoiji kizaru Ben Beckman in any order u put it. tho some of u don't agree with beckman ... Which I don't understand because of the majority of you who disagree are zoro fanboys. Y'all believe zoro will be in top 3 or 5 eos because he's luffy first mate and mirroring Rodger and reighlee beckman is portrayed to be first mate of shanks yet u don't think he's top ten material by hype )

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

He's not above Luffy by much at all and Luffy himself isn't in the middle of top tier. When you say can stall an Admiral I hope you're not referring to Sabo because DD isn't above him, as for Luffy he never bruised Fujitora and got immedtely sent flying on two of the only two times Fuji took the offensive. DD isn't pushing any big boys like Akainu or Kuzan past mid-dif, while the only 'top tiers' I could see him pushing are the likes of Vista.

What feat or even hype puts him over DD...

 

[ToshiZO]

Admirals and Yonkos are in the middle of top tier and Roger and Prime WB are in the top of top tier. The fact that an old Rayleigh who hasn't fought or trained for 22 years was able to put up a good fight against Kizaru shows that Roger is above Admirals and Yonkos.

You're highly misinformed. Don't know what manga you have been reading, to not even grasp the simple fact that the Admirals and Yonkou are at the pinnacle of One Piece.

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"middle" yea ok....lmfao.

 

[Anduril]

S1: Low diff
S2: Shit diff

 

[chopstickchakra]

Luffy only needed that because he ran out of G4 while in G4 Luffy is comparable to DD.




Oh, Jozu is iffy because DD caught him off guard I won't place him below DD because of that.




Shading, the bruise disappears right after.



Luffy pushed him back when he was off guard, him blocking doesn't mean anything, or did you expect Fuji to let Luffy hit him?

True while in G4 Luffy is comparable to DD and possibly slightly above the problem is on his own G4 wouldn't be able to finish within the time frame and we saw Doffy could get up before Luffy's reset period so even with G4 he's lower, only with unlimited or a much longer G4 is Luffy above Doffy.

 

[MadaraReturns]

Rayleigh

 

[-Akuma-]

Doesn't matter. Couldn't defeat him alone, therefore he is lower ranked. Don't care if it's because Doffy overpowered him, outsped him, outsmarted him, or outlasted him.

Doffy can only best him badly when he's not in G4. in the end, Doffy>=Luffy which is the only version of Luffy near the Top Tier.

Even if he was caught off-guard, he still wasn't able to bust out of the strings and Doflamingo broke out of a stronger version of the ice attack that incapacitated Jozu.

The only reason he caught was because he was off guard, you don't need to bust out to be superior, while the attack used against DD wasn't stronger and even if it was (which it isn't) Jozu himself was caught off guard, being on guard makes a huge difference.

Oda has been inconsistent with drawing bruises before, so this doesn't really defeat the argument.

That isn't a solid counter argument, it's not clear if it was either a shading or a bruise and it's gone the next time we see him.

No? Fujitora was fully on guard when Luffy was pushing him back in Gear 2, as by then they were in a full fight. Only time Fuji was off-guard was with the Elephant Gun. Considering the sheer range of Fujitora's Observation Haki and senses, him being able to sense lightning over Dressrosa in Green Bit when Doflamingo and Law could not, means he pretty much CAN'T be caught off guard cuz he could sense Luffy coming from literally miles away.

Only time Luffy physically pushed back Fujitora was in the first initial blow when he wasn't on guard hence the exclamation point. Don't use COO is an excuse when it has been wildly inconsistent, the use of the exclamation point makes it obvious that Fujitora himself was caught off guard by it.

What feat or even hype puts him over DD...

Who??

Def middle he could replicate any feat done by the whitebeard commanders and then some, that is including Marco who is the closest to the top ten alive ppl ( that being Kaido Akainu Shanks Big mam Dragonakoiji kizaru Ben Beckman in any order u put it. tho some of u don't agree with beckman ... Which I don't understand because of the majority of you who disagree are zoro fanboys. Y'all believe zoro will be in top 3 or 5 eos because he's luffy first mate and mirroring Rodger and reighlee beckman is portrayed to be first mate of shanks yet u don't think he's top ten material by hype )

He's not stalemating Kuzan or Mihawk off screen like Jozu and Vsita nor is he clashing with Kziaru in the same manner Marco did ot stop Akainu's advance like Marco did either.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Doffy can only best him badly when he's not in G4. in the end, Doffy>=Luffy which is the only version of Luffy near the Top Tier.
The only reason he caught was because he was off guard, you don't need to bust out to be superior, while the attack used against DD wasn't stronger and even if it was (which it isn't) Jozu himself was caught off guard, being on guard makes a huge difference.

That isn't a solid counter argument, it's not clear if it was either a shading or a bruise and it's gone the next time we see him.




Only time Luffy physically pushed back Fujitora was in the first initial blow when he wasn't on guard hence the exclamation point. Don't use COO is an excuse when it has been wildly inconsistent, the use of the exclamation point makes it obvious that Fujitora himself was caught off guard by it.



Who??



He's not stalemating Kuzan or Mihawk off screen like Jozu and Vsita nor is he clashing with Kziaru in the same manner Marco did ot stop Akainu's advance like Marco did either.

Why can he not give me legit reason ? He has the feats hype durability speed haki strength to replicate what these guys did and then some he's the only one of 2 to break out of kuzan ice the other being white beard with no visible damage
His hype with him being captured being escorted to the prison by a former fleet admiral a new admiral and a vice admiral who is respected on garps level also shows how strong he is

Person to show that luffy needs help in new world and luffy did not legit defeat him on his own etc.. Your saying he doesn't have the strength to be a first mate of yonko or even commander and fight on thier level that's bull there is zero evidence to even suggest that he cant

 

[ToshiZO]

He's not stalemating Kuzan or Mihawk off screen like Jozu and Vsita nor is he clashing with Kziaru in the same manner Marco did ot stop Akainu's advance like Marco did either.

I hope to God you aren't implying Vista > Doflamingo?

 

[chopstickchakra]

I hope to God you aren't implying Vista > Doflamingo?

It ould be hard to imagine given what we've seen of Doffy but it's not impossible we barely saw anything from Vista. I'd put it on the unlikely side but we've seen so much of Doffy it's easy to skewer things in his favor.

 

[A v i]

I hope to God you aren't implying Vista > Doflamingo?

It's not like his superiority is set on stone or anything. Vista stalling Mihawk for as long as he did and receiving no lasting wounds in return is no less of a feat than momentarily immobilizing Jozu or escaping after getting frozen by an attack which apparently wasn't aimed to kill him.

 

[Bogard]

Lmao i knew the moment i saw the title that the Doflamingo wankers would be running this thread with their shitty scalings
Doflamingo is barely stronger than Luffy, yet people compare him to his master lol

 

[ToshiZO]

It ould be hard to imagine given what we've seen of Doffy but it's not impossible we barely saw anything from Vista. I'd put it on the unlikely side but we've seen so much of Doffy it's easy to skewer things in his favor.

It's not like his superiority is set on stone or anything. Vista stalling Mihawk for as long as he did and receiving no lasting wounds in return is no less of a feat than momentarily immobilizing Jozu or escaping after getting frozen by an attack which apparently wasn't aimed to kill him.

I could give you guys a long answer but I'll give you a short one:

Doflamingo has direct feats and portrayal that make it arguable if Jozu is even as strong as him, let alone Vista.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Lmao i knew the moment i saw the title that the Doflamingo wankers would be running this thread with their shitty scalings
Doflamingo is barely stronger than Luffy, yet people compare him to his master lol

He was clearly shown to be above Luffy. Let's compare damage since you all like to bring that up, Luffy took say at most 10 minutes of punches from Bellamy while Doffy was hit by one of Law's biggest moves. Law > Bellamy by miles, so you're comparing the damage delivered by Law to damage delivered by Bellamy(a guy who couldn't even really hurt Luffy pre skip) Doffy took more damage prior to his 1v1 with Luffy. Doffy spent most of his time against Law on offense(using stamina) while Luffy only sttod there taking hits, so a weakened more tired Doffy fought a less weakened and less tired Luffy with G4 and still would have got up to kill Luffy if not for Law and the towns folk. There's no way you can chop that fight up and say Luffy=Doffy. The only way Luffy can beat Doffy is longer/unlimited G4 which he doesn't have so for now(until the next showing of G4) Doffy>Luffy 1v1.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I could give you guys a long answer but I'll give you a short one:

Doflamingo has direct feats and portrayal that make it arguable if Jozu is even as strong as him, let alone Vista.

I was agreeing with you, it is arguable Doffy > Jozu or Vista but it's hard to say 100% right now without really knowing what Jozu or Vista can do and who they can push. One showing in the middle of a war isn't a great stat. We should wait until Weeble catches the WB remnants then see.

 

[Bogard]

He was clearly shown to be above Luffy. Let's compare damage since you all like to bring that up, Luffy took say at most 10 minutes of punches from Bellamy while Doffy was hit by one of Law's biggest moves. Law > Bellamy by miles, so you're comparing the damage delivered by Law to damage delivered by Bellamy(a guy who couldn't even really hurt Luffy pre skip) Doffy took more damage prior to his 1v1 with Luffy. Doffy spent most of his time against Law on offense(using stamina) while Luffy only sttod there taking hits, so a weakened more tired Doffy fought a less weakened and less tired Luffy with G4 and still would have got up to kill Luffy if not for Law and the towns folk. There's no way you can chop that fight up and say Luffy=Doffy. The only way Luffy can beat Doffy is longer/unlimited G4 which he doesn't have so for now(until the next showing of G4) Doffy>Luffy 1v1.

I never disputed he was stronger. I'm saying he isn't that much stronger. He'd win after an extremely hard fight and in g4, Luffy is outright stronger than him, so comparing him to his master is ridiculous

And that's without even taking into consideration the fact that WCI Luffy may have already passed him by this point

 

[ToshiZO]

I was agreeing with you, it is arguable Doffy > Jozu or Vista but it's hard to say 100% right now without really knowing what Jozu or Vista can do and who they can push. One showing in the middle of a war isn't a great stat. We should wait until Weeble catches the WB remnants then see.

I don't need to see anything from Vista to confirm he is below Doflamingo. Jozu and Doflamingo should be on the same level.

 

[MickNerks]

Rayleigh Easily.

Rayleigh's mastery of Haki would make Doffy's strings (awakening or not) absolutely useless. Rayleigh and Shanks both are portrayed as having God-Like Haki, and Rayleigh was able to stand his ground with an Admiral and hold him back seemingly with ease. Doffy would get squished quickly in both scenario's with Mid Diff being the highest difficulty.

 

[A v i]

I could give you guys a long answer but I'll give you a short one:

Doflamingo has direct feats and portrayal that make it arguable if Jozu is even as strong as him, let alone Vista.

Please, Stalling people like Mihawk and Kuzan "who are at the very top of the OP world" for a reasonable amount of time trumps all over anything Doflamingo had accomplished so far in the series. You can keep trying for all entity, but I assure you that you can never justify the level of confidence you've been exhibiting towards Doflamingo's superiority. I can agree that Doflamingo would most likely be superior to likes of Vista, But you talk as if it's authentically set on stone or something. Your conclusion might be closer to being true; But that doesn't mean you're 100% accurate.

I don't need to see anything from Vista to confirm he is below Doflamingo. Jozu and Doflamingo should be on the same level.

It's not like Vista is leaps below Jozu, he's right next to Jozu in regards to strength.