[VS] Doflamingo vs Rayliegh

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Yes. One can easily argue that the reason Doflamingo wasn't frozen through and through was because he broke the ice before it got that far.
This argument could only be relevant if Doflamingo broke the ice mid action, something he didn't. Aokiji can only freely manipulate his ice temperature during the moment of the attack, not before, not after. The freezing effect of Aokiji's attack already finished for a while before Doflamingo broke through, which tells us that the freezing temperature of Aokiji's attack was already set and remained the same. So no, it's Aokiji who either decided not to freeze him through and through or couldn't due to the distance(away while hands in his pockets). Aokiji's most potent attacks is when he bodily freezes you(Luffy, Robin, Saul are examples of this)
 

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This argument could only be relevant if Doflamingo broke the ice mid action, something he didn't. Aokiji can only freely manipulate his ice temperature during the moment of the attack, not before, not after. The freezing effect of Aokiji's attack already finished for a while before Doflamingo broke through, which tells us that the freezing temperature of Aokiji's attack was already set and remained the same. So no, it's Aokiji who either decided not to freeze him through and through or couldn't due to the distance(away while hands in his pockets). Aokiji's most potent attacks is when he bodily freezes you(Luffy, Robin, Saul are examples of this)
This is under the assumption that when Aokiji freezes a target, their body can't gradually become more and more frozen. In other words, you're saying that if Aokiji covers someone in ice, that's the worst it'll get, and the rest of their flesh can't freeze from contact with the ice on their body. This is factually and canonically false, because A.) Frostbite and B.) Chopper and Aokiji noted you could defrost them, but you'd have to do so before frostbite sets in.
 

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Regardless of whether or not it's possible to freeze through and through after having something or someone partially frozen. Kuzan never had someone completely covered in ice, then gradually freeze the internal body parts. He either completely covers you with an envelop of ice or ice shell "identical to Whitebeard or Doflamingo" in an instant or gradually freezes you to bone like he did to Jozu or Saul. He never did both at the same time irrc. So, the best possible scenario would be that Doflamingo covered his entire body with COA prior to getting frozen.

What makes it impressive is that he was able to quickly anticipate the incoming attack and reacted accordingly. Though an attack from Aokiji was kind of predictable, considering he wouldn't stand there and do nothing if he proceeds to kill Smoker.





How can one survive being frozen to the bone :|. You have no proof that the attack on Jozu was > attack on Mingo. Making someone on a war bleed is less significant(lot of commotion) than a 1 on 1 in a far away place. I am sure jozu would never act tough and arrogant against Kuzan in a place out side war where it's just them like Mingo did.

Ask Oda, because he had multiple people survive after getting frozen to bone by Aokiji. I said it already,Jozu was frozen to the bone. Doflamingo,however, was simply enveloped with a layer of ice which is why he was able to break free as easily as he did in canon. Once you're frozen to bone by Kuzan. There are only two options of survival; One is to have the ability to increase your body temperature. And, the other is to have someone thew you akin to what SH's did when they were frozen in their fight with the marine admiral. Neither haki nor awakening allows one to nullify Kuzan's freezing ability. That said, it's quixotic for Doflamingo to escape after getting frozen to bone. As a matter of fact, Buffalo explicitly stated that Joker wasn't completely frozen.

Whether it was a war or not is completely irrelevant. The fact remains, he's one of few fighters in the entire series to make an admiral bleed. What more? The attack seemingly pissed a normally imperturbable Kuzan, which insinuates that the attack actually had a significant impact.

 
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Doflamingo wasn't frozen to the bone. That's almost a fact. But it can easily be said, that it had more to do with Doflamingo than it did Kuzan.

Which is why it was definitely positive portrayal on part of Doflamingo, being able to break out of the ice however he did it, (imbuing COA before being completely frozen, sounds pretty logical), and he did it while not even facing Kuzan, he got attacked from behind.

He was still panting which shows it probably required some effort and/or because he was cut off from oxygen (but WB was as well, and he wasn't panting). Oda probably did that scene very carefully considering Doflamingo's arc was coming up, he managed to hype Doffy while still giving Kuzan the portrayal edge. He managed to avoid either of them looking bad.
 

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You guys are such stupid nerds. This is now doffy vs kuzan and jozu vs kuzan thread. Go outside and get some fresh air instead of working those fat fingers on your gaming keyboards. Actually nevermind. Don't go out and get fresh air. Save that for people who earned it and need to reproduce. Kill yourselves.
 

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You guys are such stupid nerds. This is now doffy vs kuzan and jozu vs kuzan thread. Go outside and get some fresh air instead of working those fat fingers on your gaming keyboards. Actually nevermind. Don't go out and get fresh air. Save that for people who earned it and need to reproduce. Kill yourselves.
Discussions evolve, deal with it.
 

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I am more inclined to believe (that) Kuzan intentionally sparred his life. He seemed to hate the idea of anyone being informed of his arrival at PH. Kuzan is fully aware of how big of an issue it will become, had he killed Doflamingo. So, I highly doubt he'd willingly trigger such a big event without a serious reason. He doesn't have to go as far as killing Or mortally wounding him to save Smoker. Nonetheless, what Joker did was still impressive regardless of Kuzan's intentions. But, it in noway makes him look better than Jozu in slightest. Because, stalling a person for a reasonable amount of time in a fight is way more of a feat than just escaping an attack from the same person.
 

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This argument could only be relevant if Doflamingo broke the ice mid action, something he didn't. Aokiji can only freely manipulate his ice temperature during the moment of the attack, not before, not after. The freezing effect of Aokiji's attack already finished for a while before Doflamingo broke through, which tells us that the freezing temperature of Aokiji's attack was already set and remained the same. So no, it's Aokiji who either decided not to freeze him through and through or couldn't due to the distance(away while hands in his pockets). Aokiji's most potent attacks is when he bodily freezes you(Luffy, Robin, Saul are examples of this)
Bro doffy can make string out of anything with his awakening and has his insides full of string (how he yanked gamma knife ) similar to logia.... So why couldn't it be said that he broke it before he could freeze all the way
 

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Bro doffy can make string out of anything with his awakening and has his insides full of string (how he yanked gamma knife ) similar to logia.... So why couldn't it be said that he broke it before he could freeze all the way
There is a difference b/w producing strings out of anything and producing anything out of strings. Doflamingo isn't capable of the later. He couldn't replace his internals with strings, He simply stitched the damaged parts.
 
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