[Discussion] Doflamingo vs Katakuri

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Do you think smoothie is the second strongest or Cracker? Looking back at it now a Cracker vs Doflamingo fight could end up in a toss up because different styles makes match up. They're both generally at the same level.
Smoothie is likely is second strongest since her bounty is almost 100 million berries higher than Cracker's, and this chapter lends even more credibility to the idea that the bounties indicate the SC's strength. Smoothie and Cracker are approximately the same age, neither seems more bloodthirsty than the other, and Smoothie certainly isn't more active than Cracker based on her performance in this arc, so the only logical explanation for her higher bounty is that she is stronger.
 

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Given that Doffy's organs didn't fall apart when Luffy knocked him out and his strings disappeared, GK wasn't as effective as you think it is. But I know that you will call this a plothole since it contradicts your interpretation of Doffy's and Law's statements.

Also, Luffy was also weakened by the time that he and Doffy fought:

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Heck, if we go by this translation, Luffy was also half dead by the time their fight started, according to Doffy. I'm not sure if this is what the Viz translation says, but I know that it says something along the lines of Luffy being weakened. Oda isn't the type of mangaka that carelessly adds in lines of dialogue and doesn't think about their placement, so I don't think that it was a coincidence that Oda had Luffy and Doffy comment on each other being weakened in the span of 2 consecutive panels. I know that you're gonna say that there's no way that Bellamy punching Luffy would do as much damage as GK (even though that's not as much as you think), but keep in mind that Luffy was basically a punching bag for Bellamy for at least ten minutes. Even if a single punch from Bellamy is only a little damage to Luffy, all of those punches will add up over time (and we already saw at the beginning of Bellamy vs Luffy that a punch from Bellamy can actually do some damage to Luffy).

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Idk why you'd do this to yourself. I gotchu as soon as I get home bruv
 

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Smoothie is likely is second strongest since her bounty is almost 100 million berries higher than Cracker's, and this chapter lends even more credibility to the idea that the bounties indicate the SC's strength. Smoothie and Cracker are approximately the same age, neither seems more bloodthirsty than the other, and Smoothie certainly isn't more active than Cracker based on her performance in this arc, so the only logical explanation for her higher bounty is that she is stronger.
I thought bounties were creditable to a certain extent. Like Hancock has a bounty the same as Crocodile but both of these guys are as capable as Kuma, Doflamingo, Ace, Law and Jinbei. Right?
I mean they're more than 100 million bounties apart from each other too.

So I feel like Smoothie and Cracker are loser in strength with each other but by feats Smoothie looks like ass right now. Maybe she's got great devil fruit control to juice Cracker's biscuits and physical strength better than Cracker's main body. Besides that I can't see her speed o haki being better than Cracker's.
 

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I thought bounties were creditable to a certain extent. Like Hancock has a bounty the same as Crocodile but both of these guys are as capable as Kuma, Doflamingo, Ace, Law and Jinbei. Right?
I mean they're more than 100 million bounties apart from each other too.

So I feel like Smoothie and Cracker are loser in strength with each other but by feats Smoothie looks like ass right now. Maybe she's got great devil fruit control to juice Cracker's biscuits and physical strength better than Cracker's main body. Besides that I can't see her speed o haki being better than Cracker's.
The Shichibukais are an exception since their bounties are frozen. Also, Crocodile is nothing compared to the likes of Kuma, Doflamingo, Ace, Law, and Jinbe.
 

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Aight, let's get cracking.

Given that Doffy's organs didn't fall apart when Luffy knocked him out and his strings disappeared, GK wasn't as effective as you think it is. But I know that you will call this a plothole since it contradicts your interpretation of Doffy's and Law's statements.
Wrong immediately off the bat. I'm surprised I gotta post these scans again, considering how many times I've done em in threads you were in before. But for now, let's put into perspective what Doflamingo pre-Gamma Knife and post-Gamma Knife were like in comparison to each other.

1. After Doflamingo got struck by Gamma Knife, Law hit him with Counter Shock, causing Doflamingo's body to spasm in pain as he cried out and blood came out of his mouth[ ]. By comparison, when Vergo is struck by Counter Shock, his body has barely any physical reaction and only slightly coughs when caught by Counter Shock[ ]. Vergo, someone Law one-shot, was less hurt by Counter Shock than Doflamingo.

But if that's not enough perspective, let's look at speed and reaction time as well. Prior to Gamma Knife, Doflamingo was able to react to a Jet Gatling as Luffy was performing it, defending against it with Haki[ ], and his clone was able to swat away a Jet Pistol[ ].

After Gamma Knife, Doflamingo fails to notice an Eagle Bazooka until it's at his chest[ ], showing the massive drop in speed and reaction time that would remain in flux after GK hit.

Now, you might be tempted to say that what the clone swat away was a normal punch, and not a Jet Pistol, for whatever reason, despite the smoke around Luffy's arm. In which case, there's still a display of a drop in speed considering that after Gamma Knife, Doffy is momentarily outpaced by base Luffy[ ][ ].


Also, Luffy was also weakened by the time that he and Doffy fought:

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Heck, if we go by this translation, Luffy was also half dead by the time their fight started, according to Doffy. I'm not sure if this is what the Viz translation says, but I know that it says something along the lines of Luffy being weakened. Oda isn't the type of mangaka that carelessly adds in lines of dialogue and doesn't think about their placement, so I don't think that it was a coincidence that Oda had Luffy and Doffy comment on each other being weakened in the span of 2 consecutive panels. I know that you're gonna say that there's no way that Bellamy punching Luffy would do as much damage as GK (even though that's not as much as you think), but keep in mind that Luffy was basically a punching bag for Bellamy for at least ten minutes. Even if a single punch from Bellamy is only a little damage to Luffy, all of those punches will add up over time (and we already saw at the beginning of Bellamy vs Luffy that a punch from Bellamy can actually do some damage to Luffy).
It is true that Luffy was weakened, like Doflamingo, but there's absolutely no way that Luffy was damaged as much as Doflamingo was. It's not just "It feels wrong," it is wrong. Gamma Knife was Law's strongest attack, there's no way that Bellamy is matching Law's power when he's that much inferior to him. You say that "little damage adds up" from Bellamy, seemingly forgetting that Doflamingo also took "little damage" from Law and Luffy as well with attacks like Red Hawk and Injection Shot, and even both of those are likely well above Bellamy.

Bellamy was defeated by a single punch from Luffy using partial Gear 2 without stretching his arm. That is indicative about how far below Bellamy is to Luffy. Saying that he could produce the same amount of damage on Luffy as Law did to Doflamingo is absurd, considering that Bellamy has NEVER displayed being anywhere close to Law's level.

There's also the fact that Luffy wasn't dealing with just Bellamy, but also a Shadow Joker as well. As shown above, the Shadow Joker can swat away a Jet Pistol and Luffy wasn't fighting it using anything above Gear 2 and 3(the latter never shown to be used on the clone anyways). So Luffy was also taking damage from that clone, and even that clone is stronger than Bellamy. Any damage Luffy received from the clone counts as damage done by Doflamingo's arsenal, not an outside party, and there's no way to distinguish how much damage Luffy took from the clone and how much was taken from Bellamy. Given that the latter has been shown to be inferior to both of them, it's only logical that the clone dealt more damage in the long haul than Bellamy did.

Now then, let's assume for the sake of argument that Bellamy and Law did indeed do the same amount of damage to Luffy and Doflamingo respectively. That still puts Luffy on a lower level than Doflamingo.

By the time Gear Fourth ran out, Doflamingo was the man standing while Luffy was on the ground unable to move and on the verge of unconsciousness. Had it not been for the tournament fighters helping Luffy, he would have lost right then and there. That means that Doflamingo was the superior combatant then in the superior condition. Now, if Luffy and Doflamingo took equal damage from Bellamy and Law, and Doflamingo ended as the superior fighter/in the superior condition, that means that Doflamingo is superior to Luffy when they're both at 100%.

To illustrate, and remember these numbers are just for illustration, if Bellamy and Law both did 50 damage to Luffy and Law, and that placed them at 40 and 50 respectively(Doffy's is higher since he was the man standing while Luffy was falling asleep), then that just means that Luffy at max is 80 and Doffy is 90. And you're absolutely bugging if you think Bellamy did more damage than Law did, causing Luffy to drop from higher than Doffy to lower than Doffy.

So either way it's hashed out, Doflamingo is stronger than Luffy just like Cracker was. Comparing them as "Luffy had a harder time with Cracker" is a terrible argument because Doflamingo was heavily damaged by the time he and Luffy squared off one on one.

Was Luffy heavily damaged too? Yes, but both people being heavily damaged doesn't mean that they took the same amount of damage. Back to using numbers for illustration of my point: Say Doflamingo is 110 in power, and he takes 60 damage. Luffy is 70 in power, and he takes 40 damage. Both of these are examples where it's accurate to say that both people took heavy damage, but that's relative to their power. What can constitute as heavy damage to Luffy isn't going to be heavy damage to someone stronger than him. Something that can knock Luffy down to half his power might not even put a scratch on Kaido, for example.

If you want to say Bellamy did heavy damage to Luffy, sure, go ahead, but that doesn't automatically mean that Bellamy did the same amount of damage that Law did to Doffy just because "heavy damage" can be used to describe the injuries both of them took. A term like that is highly relative. Luffy took heavy damage vs Rob Lucci. Akainu took heavy damage vs WB. Does that mean the amount of damage WB dealt to Akainu is the same as the amount of damage Lucci dealt to Luffy just because the same phrasing is used to describe them? Of course not.

No matter how you slice it, there's no way Doflamingo and Luffy took the same amount of damage as you're trying to make it seem.
 

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Aight, let's get cracking.



Wrong immediately off the bat. I'm surprised I gotta post these scans again, considering how many times I've done em in threads you were in before. But for now, let's put into perspective what Doflamingo pre-Gamma Knife and post-Gamma Knife were like in comparison to each other.

1. After Doflamingo got struck by Gamma Knife, Law hit him with Counter Shock, causing Doflamingo's body to spasm in pain as he cried out and blood came out of his mouth[ ]. By comparison, when Vergo is struck by Counter Shock, his body has barely any physical reaction and only slightly coughs when caught by Counter Shock[ ]. Vergo, someone Law one-shot, was less hurt by Counter Shock than Doflamingo.

But if that's not enough perspective, let's look at speed and reaction time as well. Prior to Gamma Knife, Doflamingo was able to react to a Jet Gatling as Luffy was performing it, defending against it with Haki[ ], and his clone was able to swat away a Jet Pistol[ ].

After Gamma Knife, Doflamingo fails to notice an Eagle Bazooka until it's at his chest[ ], showing the massive drop in speed and reaction time that would remain in flux after GK hit.

Now, you might be tempted to say that what the clone swat away was a normal punch, and not a Jet Pistol, for whatever reason, despite the smoke around Luffy's arm. In which case, there's still a display of a drop in speed considering that after Gamma Knife, Doffy is momentarily outpaced by base Luffy[ ][ ].




It is true that Luffy was weakened, like Doflamingo, but there's absolutely no way that Luffy was damaged as much as Doflamingo was. It's not just "It feels wrong," it is wrong. Gamma Knife was Law's strongest attack, there's no way that Bellamy is matching Law's power when he's that much inferior to him. You say that "little damage adds up" from Bellamy, seemingly forgetting that Doflamingo also took "little damage" from Law and Luffy as well with attacks like Red Hawk and Injection Shot, and even both of those are likely well above Bellamy.

Bellamy was defeated by a single punch from Luffy using partial Gear 2 without stretching his arm. That is indicative about how far below Bellamy is to Luffy. Saying that he could produce the same amount of damage on Luffy as Law did to Doflamingo is absurd, considering that Bellamy has NEVER displayed being anywhere close to Law's level.

There's also the fact that Luffy wasn't dealing with just Bellamy, but also a Shadow Joker as well. As shown above, the Shadow Joker can swat away a Jet Pistol and Luffy wasn't fighting it using anything above Gear 2 and 3(the latter never shown to be used on the clone anyways). So Luffy was also taking damage from that clone, and even that clone is stronger than Bellamy. Any damage Luffy received from the clone counts as damage done by Doflamingo's arsenal, not an outside party, and there's no way to distinguish how much damage Luffy took from the clone and how much was taken from Bellamy. Given that the latter has been shown to be inferior to both of them, it's only logical that the clone dealt more damage in the long haul than Bellamy did.

Now then, let's assume for the sake of argument that Bellamy and Law did indeed do the same amount of damage to Luffy and Doflamingo respectively. That still puts Luffy on a lower level than Doflamingo.

By the time Gear Fourth ran out, Doflamingo was the man standing while Luffy was on the ground unable to move and on the verge of unconsciousness. Had it not been for the tournament fighters helping Luffy, he would have lost right then and there. That means that Doflamingo was the superior combatant then in the superior condition. Now, if Luffy and Doflamingo took equal damage from Bellamy and Law, and Doflamingo ended as the superior fighter/in the superior condition, that means that Doflamingo is superior to Luffy when they're both at 100%.

To illustrate, and remember these numbers are just for illustration, if Bellamy and Law both did 50 damage to Luffy and Law, and that placed them at 40 and 50 respectively(Doffy's is higher since he was the man standing while Luffy was falling asleep), then that just means that Luffy at max is 80 and Doffy is 90. And you're absolutely bugging if you think Bellamy did more damage than Law did, causing Luffy to drop from higher than Doffy to lower than Doffy.

So either way it's hashed out, Doflamingo is stronger than Luffy just like Cracker was. Comparing them as "Luffy had a harder time with Cracker" is a terrible argument because Doflamingo was heavily damaged by the time he and Luffy squared off one on one.

Was Luffy heavily damaged too? Yes, but both people being heavily damaged doesn't mean that they took the same amount of damage. Back to using numbers for illustration of my point: Say Doflamingo is 110 in power, and he takes 60 damage. Luffy is 70 in power, and he takes 40 damage. Both of these are examples where it's accurate to say that both people took heavy damage, but that's relative to their power. What can constitute as heavy damage to Luffy isn't going to be heavy damage to someone stronger than him. Something that can knock Luffy down to half his power might not even put a scratch on Kaido, for example.

If you want to say Bellamy did heavy damage to Luffy, sure, go ahead, but that doesn't automatically mean that Bellamy did the same amount of damage that Law did to Doffy just because "heavy damage" can be used to describe the injuries both of them took. A term like that is highly relative. Luffy took heavy damage vs Rob Lucci. Akainu took heavy damage vs WB. Does that mean the amount of damage WB dealt to Akainu is the same as the amount of damage Lucci dealt to Luffy just because the same phrasing is used to describe them? Of course not.

No matter how you slice it, there's no way Doflamingo and Luffy took the same amount of damage as you're trying to make it seem.
Yes Doffy did take more damage than Luffy, but I don't think that it was a significant difference. I'd say that Doffy had about 70% health left and Luffy had about 80% left.

Law's Counter Shock did that much damage to Doffy because Doffy had just taken GK a few seconds earlier, and attacks are much more effective when they're performed within a quick succession of each other. If Law did that Counter Shock a few minutes later, it wouldn't have done that much damage, unless you think that Counter Shock is as strong as G4 attacks.

Doffy being a little more weakened than Luffy does contribute to Luffy being able to land more hits on him, but it can also be attributed to Luffy just getting more serious later on in the fight, like he does in every arc. That attack having some smoke around it doesn't necessarily mean that it was a G2 punch. Ever since the beginning of the series, it has been pretty common for clouds of smoke to appear around Luffy's arms when he's attacking. In the anime, that attack is shown to be a normal punch, and Oda likely would have corrected them if that really was supposed to be a G2 attack.

Yes Bellamy did get one shot by G2 Luffy, but Bellamy was already heavily damaged at that point in time. Besides, how having a low durability doesn't mean that you have a bad offense, as shown by Cracker, and we already saw at the beginning of Luffy vs Bellamy that Bellamy's attacks can hurt Luffy (Luffy was spitting out blood and had black lines around his face) even when Luffy is using hardening (and if he didn't use hardening against Bellamy he would have had more time in G4). The only attacks that landed on Doffy prior to GK were Red Hawk and Injection Shot, both of which had did little damage to him, and after Law got his arm cut of, Law vs Doffy and Trebol was portrayed as a one sided massacre, so it is safe to assume that Law didn't land any attacks on Doffy, much less any effective ones.

I don't see why you think that we can assume that Shadow Joker did anywhere near as much damage as Bellamy did to Luffy while Luffy was willingly being his punching bag from the end of Machvise vs Harjudin to the end of Pica vs Zoro. Shadow Joker is nothing to Luffy since it got one shotted by Jet Gatling, and unlike Bellamy, Shadow Joker had no emotional connection to Luffy that made Luffy hold back against him.

Yes weakened Doffy was slightly stronger than weakened Luffy, but you could argue that Luffy only lost because he wasted time talking to citizens right after he used Leo Bazooka instead of immediately going in for another attack. We don't know if the attack that Luffy was gonna use would have KOed Doffy, but it is possible that this attack could have KOed him if it was landed right after Doffy took Leo Bazooka.
 

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Yes Doffy did take more damage than Luffy, but I don't think that it was a significant difference. I'd say that Doffy had about 70% health left and Luffy had about 80% left.
Well, there's no real way to argue this because this is just arbituary numbers. How do you defend that 10% isn't a major difference, and how do I defend that it is, when these numbers don't refer to anything concrete? At the end of the day though, I'm just highlighting that the amount of damage Luffy took didn't affect him as much as the damage Doffy did, which is demonstratable by the fact that Doflamingo was getting planted by things he shrugged off earlier, while Luffy displayed no such decrease.

Law's Counter Shock did that much damage to Doffy because Doffy had just taken GK a few seconds earlier, and attacks are much more effective when they're performed within a quick succession of each other. If Law did that Counter Shock a few minutes later, it wouldn't have done that much damage, unless you think that Counter Shock is as strong as G4 attacks.
This isn't really a solid argument, considering that G4 affected Doflamingo far more than the Counter Shock did anyways, so I don't get what you're getting at saying that I'm trying to say they're on par with each other.

Saying that Doflamingo was just "that weak" at that moment doesn't make sense either, considering that Doffy himself says that he didn't recover or heal any of what was done to him, he just held his organs together.

Doffy being a little more weakened than Luffy does contribute to Luffy being able to land more hits on him, but it can also be attributed to Luffy just getting more serious later on in the fight, like he does in every arc.
This isn't true either. When Crocodile yells at Luffy for joking in their fight, Luffy states that he's always serious. When Nami tells Luffy he can't afford to fight Cracker seriously, he reaffirms this saying he doesn't know any other way to fight.

That attack having some smoke around it doesn't necessarily mean that it was a G2 punch. Ever since the beginning of the series, it has been pretty common for clouds of smoke to appear around Luffy's arms when he's attacking. In the anime, that attack is shown to be a normal punch, and Oda likely would have corrected them if that really was supposed to be a G2 attack.
I addressed this already in the original post.

Yes Bellamy did get one shot by G2 Luffy, but Bellamy was already heavily damaged at that point in time. Besides, how having a low durability doesn't mean that you have a bad offense, as shown by Cracker,
This is a side-note since it doesn't really impact this discussion that much, but Cracker never showed himself to have low durability. People say Cracker got one-shot or whatever, but those people are forgetting that Luffy NEVER landed a direct blow on Cracker, and Cracker was only injured because he slammed into MULTIPLE of his OWN super-hard biscuits infused with his OWN Haki.

and we already saw at the beginning of Luffy vs Bellamy that Bellamy's attacks can hurt Luffy (Luffy was spitting out blood and had black lines around his face) even when Luffy is using hardening (and if he didn't use hardening against Bellamy he would have had more time in G4). The only attacks that landed on Doffy prior to GK were Red Hawk and Injection Shot, both of which had did little damage to him, and after Law got his arm cut of, Law vs Doffy and Trebol was portrayed as a one sided massacre, so it is safe to assume that Law didn't land any attacks on Doffy, much less any effective ones.
This is also pretty much addressed in my post as well.

I don't see why you think that we can assume that Shadow Joker did anywhere near as much damage as Bellamy did to Luffy
Because the clone is vastly stronger, and there's no way that the clone just sat around watching Luffy get beat up by Bellamy, especially when we've seen the clone attack Luffy and they were engaged with each other.

Shadow Joker is nothing to Luffy since it got one shotted by Jet Gatling
You have absolutely no proof that the clone was one-shotted by the Gatling, considering that fight was off-screen. Luffy also appears more injured by the time that happens than when they started fighting, and as mentioned before, we see the clone engaging Luffy.

Yes weakened Doffy was slightly stronger than weakened Luffy, but you could argue that Luffy only lost because he wasted time talking to citizens right after he used Leo Bazooka instead of immediately going in for another attack.
Luffy's Gear Fourth timed out before he got within range of Doflamingo. That "he wasted seconds talking" argument is such a reach, since that time wouldn't have made any real difference. Especially when it took a KKG to finally put down Doffy, and Luffy wasn't about to hit him with a KKG at that moment.
 

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The Shichibukais are an exception since their bounties are frozen. Also, Crocodile is nothing compared to the likes of Kuma, Doflamingo, Ace, Law, and Jinbe.
Did it say that their bounties froze because of that? I'm not doubting you or anything I really don't know but it makes sense.


Crocodile is clearly comparable to the likes of Kuma, Doflamingo, Ace, Law, and Jinbei. I know you're hate for Crocodile can get stupidly out of hand but he would not have obtained that status of Warlord if it wasn't. Granted that post timeskip Buggy was given the status thanks to the sovereignty and falsified feats, Crocodile actually stood notorious like all his other colleagues. The things he did leading up to the war and during was just outstanding.
One shotting awakened zoans in the impel down (took luffy gear 3), Tossing doffy/jozu, Tossing jinbei, and landing a blow on Akainu is just proof of how strong he is. Hewas also put in the same level as jinbei and ace in the impel down, which is gauged by threat level.
 

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Yeah, getting thrown around the same way a Half-Dead Doffy was and having harder Haki is being stronger.
Lmao did you even read the chapter? And it's nice to see that you're still overrating the damage Doffy took and acting like Luffy wasn't weakened too.

Katakuri didn't even look phased after he took 3 G4 hits, which he only took because he lost his composure. He then regained his composure, phased through one of the stronger G4 attacks, and then easily sent Luffy flying (meanwhile Doffy's Athlete Kick did nothing to G4). Doffy couldn't even do anything against G4 besides run away.
 

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Lmao did you even read the chapter? And it's nice to see that you're still overrating the damage Doffy took and acting like Luffy wasn't weakened too.
And it's disappointing to see anyone acting like Bellamy, who at top strength is far weaker than Law, managed to damage Luffy as much as Law did Doflamingo while Bellamy was within an inch of his life.

Katakuri didn't even look phased after he took 3 G4 hits, which he only took because he lost his composure.
Still thrown the same way Doffy was.

He then regained his composure, phased through one of the stronger G4 attacks, and then easily sent Luffy flying (meanwhile Doffy's Athlete Kick did nothing to G4). Doffy couldn't even do anything against G4 besides run away.
Ignoring that 20 mins of Doffy vs Luffy was Luffy running from Awakened threads, but okay.
 

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Lmao did you even read the chapter? And it's nice to see that you're still overrating the damage Doffy took and acting like Luffy wasn't weakened too.

Katakuri didn't even look phased after he took 3 G4 hits, which he only took because he lost his composure. He then regained his composure, phased through one of the stronger G4 attacks, and then easily sent Luffy flying (meanwhile Doffy's Athlete Kick did nothing to G4). Doffy couldn't even do anything against G4 besides run away.
LMAO!! bro what?! blood was coming out of him every punch..

actually this proves that doffy > dogtooth
doffy half dead with organs damaged tanked a kong punch...

Dogtooth relies too much on seeing the future.. fight him in the dark or with a wide range of attacks and hes done.. he wouldn't even be able to dodge parasite.. lol
 

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LMAO!! bro what?! blood was coming out of him every punch..

actually this proves that doffy > dogtooth
doffy half dead with organs damaged tanked a kong punch...

Dogtooth relies too much on seeing the future.. fight him in the dark or with a wide range of attacks and hes done.. he wouldn't even be able to dodge parasite.. lol
I woundn't say Doffy > Katakuri but deffo he's not a mid diff property to katakuri as lads above were implying!
 

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In terms of strength, Katakuri proved today that he is superior to Doflamingo.

I'm not sure by how much, but we have never seen anyone cause G4 Luffy as much trouble and pain as what Katakuri did w/ his awakened doughnut attack.

Katakuri seems to be superior to Doffy in:

- Armament Haki
- Observation Haki
- Strength & Power
- Reaction Speed
- Awakening
 

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This chapter made it even more obvious that Katakuri is stronger.
I still feel dog tooth may be stronger but not by much at all. i really do not understand you guys logic.. seriously

cracker, for example, yes hes stronger than doffy in one or two stat (haki endurance) but what about the rest of them

like intelligence durability speed etc.

same with jack he has 1 feat which is his endurance other than that he seems one demensional in terms of fighting. But I wont jump to conclusions just yet need more feats

smoothie.. honestly this meme shows how I feel about her
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Dog tooth hasnt gone all out yet and hes tanked 3 attacks but not 20 minutes of said attacks and then another onslaught to boot (prob will not need to as I see this fight getting interupted)

doffy is not getting low or mid diff by any of these commanders in fact I find it hard for any commander to do so because he is in the same league as them.

Fact of the matter is doffy has been loffy's hardest fight to date.
1. He has tanked the most attacks from gear 4th...
2. He has fought gear 4th directly the longest (cracker has the longest time but luffy was running away)
3. Luffy's strongest attack has been done to doffy and doffy only (until proven otherwise)
4. For the most part luffy has needed help in all major fights (minus the clown and the fish) his strongest ally to help him in a main fight was against doffy.
5. Everytime someone new is introduced they are always compared to dofflamingo. Not once have I seen the SC's compared against one another. Or dog tooth being compared to Jack or dukes etc. Everyone is always compared to him. Yet they call him weak and how he gets mid diffed etc. if that is the case why keep comparing him to them?
 
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