[Discussion] Doflamingo vs Katakuri
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Rikudou Tobi
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No.
If you're talking about all the people he fought that turned against dofy to aid luffy not being a factor? Then of course no. He wouldn't of passed out like that. His fight would go exactly as it did with Cracker. When Luffy fought Crcaker his G4 ran out probably more than 3 times, he just resorted to guerrilla tactics the whole time.
Ace of the fire fist
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What u mean gurilla tactics are u retard? Luffy was near unconscious he had to be carry by gatz he could not even move.. how he can run and hide if he can't move? cracker fight is not same because he eat biscuits which replenish energy.
Ace of the fire fist
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doesn't change fact that doffy basically lose a 2v1 vs very strong character he whoop law and luffy was on death bed
Rikudou Tobi
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It was never a true 1v1 nor a 2v1... the amount of help Luffy had is either equal to, or less than the help Doflamingo had throughout that whole fiasco..
At the end Luffy > Doflamingo
Ace of the fire fist
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not really doffy help was not comparable to law who is very strong doffy had fodder around him law was effective luffy never receive kill shot like gamma knife doffys friends are weak asf
Ace of the fire fist
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yea and I'm saying he could only do such thing because he was eat all the biscuit which give him energy against doffy he was on death door idiot. ur comparing 2 different thing retard boy go read te manga
Rikudou Tobi
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Eating biscuits doesn't restore his haki you retard, read the manga. The only reason why he was at deaths door against Dofy was because he was already weakened before entering Gear 4 you idiot.
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HashiraMadara
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Doffy to Law, "you are no match for me at all". Doffy to Bound Man, "nice form and quite beastly, but how long can it last vs me."
Mingo lost on plot shield(Luffy failing to break Haki'd awakening strings with King Kong gun, about to faint then suddenly ex machinaed a "Gohan to Cell" out of nowhere energy to over power Mingo's strings!).
Secondly your shichibukai = 3rd yonko mate fanfic is nonsense, Shichibukai is not a level!
* Ace got curbed by a below Shichibukai BB
* Buggy is a Shichibukai
* Mingo fodderized Gekko Moriah
* Mingo made Jozu a footstool
* Mingo didn't give f#cks about a Rogue Kuzan(former Admiral)
* Mihawk, a shichibukai had death battles echoing the entire grand line vs a Yonko Shanks
* Mihawk made quick work of jinbe(former shichibukai) but that's anime
Mingo is the toughest opponent Luffy ever defeated since Rob Lucci and like on Lucci he wasn't defeated conventionally nor convincingly. The only thing Katakuri has over Luffy is being a main villain in an arc > Dressrosa if he will be one!
Thirdly this second or first or whatever Yonko mate is nonsense. You can't draw conclusion from simply Marco and Katakuri! Burgess is a Yonko's first mate/commander and he is shitte! Ace simply filled a void of a dead WB commander not going up the ranks or whatever. There is no thorough evidence of Yonko commander strengths increasing with relative to how close you are to the Yonko captain! FFS BB is an original WB pirate(one of the crew's first members that remained a Commander's subordinate, chose not to be promoted, the guy had no hakunomi but still left permanent scratch marks on Shanks that hurt to this day!
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Rikudou Tobi
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This stupidity already started when you're pathetic excuse was that Doflamingo lost due to "plot shield" despite Doflamingo sitting back watching luffy waste not only his stamina but received injuries from the fights he had since he arrived on his island.
Like shut the **** up with that fanfic plot shield crap already. I already debunked and dismantled the rest of the garbage you said in the other thread.
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Katakuri, easy.
Doflamingo could not withstand Luffy in G4, hence he ultimately fell after 5 hits. Being the top commander of a Yonko crew is not ordinary feat.
Katakuri defeats Doflamingo mid difficulty.
Doflamingo could not withstand Luffy in G4, hence he ultimately fell after 5 hits. Being the top commander of a Yonko crew is not ordinary feat.
Katakuri defeats Doflamingo mid difficulty.
chopstickchakra
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If Shichibukai isn't a level how was BB below Shichibukai when he fought Ace? Not to mention that's not accurate, when Teach fought Ace he had the YYnM and had already left a scar on a Yonkou, to say he was below sichibukai like Moriah, Croc, Hancock etc at that point holds no merit.
I agree with you though that Luffy's help was greater than Doffy's help. Law>Trebol and towns people running Luffy away>Bellamy's damage. Without the damage done by Bellamy the fight would have went a little quicker but without the towns people moving Luffy when he was immobile outright Luffy dies. Luffy undeniably received more significant help than Doffy during Dressrosa.
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chopstickchakra
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It kind of does, Luffy said G4 uses too many calories and eating replenishes those calories to sustain G4.
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So the more he eats the more G4 he can use.
Dęvîa Puęrî
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Lol i cant. Was it not stated that he fought against g4 for at least 20 min? in what way does that equate to 5 hits?
Why do people shit this much on doffy.. I don't get it he was such a popular char now people treat him as if he's the bottom of the barrel gutter trash in terms of power
Sabo gets introduced: well even though he doesn't really have that many feats hes the #2 in the revs and that alone puts him > doffy. He did not need the fruit to be > doffy that just makes him even more stronger then him
The dukes get introduced: "oh they were after dofflamingo so they must be stronger"
Jack is introduced: well even though he seems to fight in a very 1 dimensional way and not having that many feats, hes a commander with higer bounty so hes above dofflamingo (despite doffy bounty being frozen for like at least a decade and that the WG didn't know that he was joker.. But that doesn't matter)
Cracker gets introduced: well despite that it takes a weaker hit to defeat him and that luffy had a way weaker (and only 1) partner (as compared to law viola and 100's of fodder to protect him). His fight took 11 hours (just going to ignore that luffy ate constantly and it was stated in part 1 when luffy eats he replenished stamina.). hes has stronger ardament haki and that is the only factor in a battle. So hes stronger then sorry.
Snack is mentioned (and not introduced): despite being taken out by a supernova he is a commander so hes above doffy.
Urouge: he defeated a commander so he def has a chance against doffy
Smoothie: despite doing absolutely nothing in this arc she's a commander with a bigger bounty so she's def stronger then doffy (again despite doffy bounty being frozen for a decade plus but that doesn't matter.)
luffy: well he beat a person with stronger haki so he def has fully surpassed doffy' s level
Hell ive even seen people talk about how doffy was lucky that zoro was not there to fight him directly and that he would easily be able to cut his strings (again this is despite law who in my opinion has greater to or equal cutting power as zoro due to his devil fruit being able to bypass majority of the OPverse defenses was unable to cut his strings. same goes to Fuji with birdcage. Even if fuji can it wasnt shown. What was shown was an admiral who wanted to save as many lives as he could was forced into a situation where he had to work side by side with the people hes suppose to capture i.e. pirates ).
All of these statements over the course of months since doffy' s defeat I've heard close to if not the exact wording (aside from parenthesis those are mine lol).
I have two questions lol
1.Like seriously when did doffy become such a weak char in the fanbase eyes
2. Who gets the weakling piece of s*** rep worse doffy (the weakling/weakest pirate of the new world) or Sanji (who has for the most part been trolled by his own creator lol)
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Punk Hazard
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Thing is, Doflamingo's Haki was never actually implied to be weaker than Cracker's. Both of them shrugged off Gatlings without a dent.
Luffy wasn't handicapped when the got to the castle and planted the Red Hawk on Doflamingo. All of his exhaustion came from being damaged by Doflamingo and Bellamy(remove Bellamy, and Doflamingo can do that damage himself anyways) after that point, nothing from before.
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Rikudou Tobi
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You're right that it burns through calories and uses up more stamina, but those things don't rejuvenate his Haki.
So how much calories and stamina luffy expended during the whole arc? If you remove that whole part that he went through, he could either...
1. Hold G4 longer for him to take out dofy with one hit.
2. Evasiness at base for 10 minutes before Haki restoration.
His main problem was his stamina, when dofy was mocking him for being weakened, he was out of breathe that whole time.
Dofy was out of stamina too but his awakening didn't require him to move a muscle, so he was stuck to one form of string abilities which luffy took direct hits from at base before going Gear 4 a second time.
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Haki is correlated to stamina. Building up stamina builds back up Haki and vice versa. Luffy builds up stamina when he eats, as shown in canon at Enies Lobby. Wonder if you'll address this, or ignore it cause you don't wanna look wrong again.