[Discussion] Doffy-Croc MF clash

[chopstickchakra]

Opinions.

Does this clash imply them being equal or close to equal? It seems odd Croc could stop Doffy's attack yet get beat by Luffy way back when.

 

[sagemode07]

No. Doffy didn't try to kill croc

 

[Passerby]

God no
DD ****ing shit rape stomps Crocodile by feats.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

You've got it mixed up. Crocodile attacked Doflamingo with his hook and Doflamingo casually blocked Croc's attack with his foot.

 

[Black Mamba]

Doffy was no where near trying nor trying to kill him. If he wanted to kill him he would have did when he cut Croc's head off by using haki.

 

[chopstickchakra]

You've got it mixed up. Crocodile attacked Doflamingo with his hook and Doflamingo casually blocked Croc's attack with his foot.

Do I? I thought Doffy approached Croc with a kick then asked Croc to join him. I may have mixed it idk.

 

[MickNerks]

I think now that Crocodile has escaped Impel Down and been training in the new world getting stronger, with his already awakened devil fruit, that next time we see him he will be shown to either be equal or stronger than Doffy.

I don't think Oda would waste his time re-introducing Crocodile in the new world if he isnt stronger than people from the desrossa arc. Also, I think Oda was trying to display crocodiles strength when he showed him at Marineford standing his own against Mihawk, Doflomingo, and coming for whitebeards life (with no fear).

So I do think when we next see Crocodile, he will be shown as stronger than Doflomingo. Pre-Skip Doflomingo was obviously stronger

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I think now that Crocodile has escaped Impel Down and been training in the new world getting stronger, with his already awakened devil fruit, that next time we see him he will be shown to either be equal or stronger than Doffy.

I don't think Oda would waste his time re-introducing Crocodile in the new world if he isnt stronger than people from the desrossa arc. Also, I think Oda was trying to display crocodiles strength when he showed him at Marineford standing his own against Mihawk, Doflomingo, and coming for whitebeards life (with no fear).

So I do think when we next see Crocodile, he will be shown as stronger than Doflomingo. Pre-Skip Doflomingo was obviously stronger

So do you think Crocodile will also be stronger than Sabo?

 

[Bogard]

No, he'd forever be weaker than Alabasta Luffy

So I do think when we next see Crocodile, he will be shown as stronger than Doflomingo

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[Ridoku X]

Crocodile is stronger than Doffy's highest executives, but below him IMO v_v

 

[ToshiZO]

Oda simply doesnt know what to do with Croc. At MF he had him pull off feats that Id be proud of current Luffy pulling.

 

[MickNerks]

So do you think Crocodile will also be stronger than Sabo?

I personally do not
But IMO Sabo is stronger than Doffy, so it would only make since that crocodile isnt stronger then SIC of Revs.

No, he'd forever be weaker than Alabasta Luffy

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Why would Oda even write him back in the story if he remained weaker than no gears luffy. His performance in Marineford should have been more then enought to convince anyone that oda has plans to make him stronger.

Oda simply doesnt know what to do with Croc. At MF he had him pull off feats that Id be proud of current Luffy pulling.

^^ This Exactly

 

[Bogard]

Why would Oda even write him back in the story if he remained weaker than no gears luffy. His performance in Marineford should have been more then enought to convince anyone that oda has plans to make him stronger.

He accomplished nothing in Marineford. Luffy put him in his place once again start of the war when he kicked him aside like a fodder when he was foolish to try to attack WB. Arrogance never had anything to do with strength. The simple fact that Oda still portrayed Luffy as his superior during that war should have been enough to convince people that nothing changed with Crocodile. Moria is also written back to the story and has a past with a yonko.

I don't see people thinking he'd be stronger than Doflamingo. It only happens with Crocodile. You don't need to be strong to still influence the plot. Crocodile is looking for ancient weapons. He could still be able to remain a threat this way instead of living in the fanfiction where he'd be immensely stronger to the point of surpassing supernovas growth rate despite being already a veteran already especially when there is absolute no reason to make him stronger at this point where we're already attacking with yonko sagas, but sure you can remain with that stupid and nonsensical illusion of yours if it makes you sleep at night

 

[OG sama]

How is Crocodile going to come back stronger than Doflamingo when Luffy even after 2 years of training hasn't exactly surpassed him? Croc will be below the M3 where he belongs, there's no reason for him to be as strong as Doflamingo unless he's becoming MV again. Which would just be redundant, because he's just going to get his ass whooped again.

 

[ToshiZO]

He accomplished nothing in Marineford. Luffy put him in his place once again start of the war when he kicked him aside like a fodder when he was foolish to try to attack WB. Arrogance never had anything to do with strength. The simple fact that Oda still portrayed Luffy as his superior during that war should have been enough to convince people that nothing changed with Crocodile. Moria is also written back to the story and has a past with a yonko.

I don't see people thinking he'd be stronger than Doflamingo. It only happens with Crocodile. You don't need to be strong to still influence the plot. Crocodile is looking for ancient weapons. He could still be able to remain a threat this way instead of living in the fanfiction where he'd be immensely stronger to the point of surpassing supernovas growth rate despite being already a veteran already especially when there is absolute no reason to make him stronger at this point where we're already attacking with yonko sagas, but sure you can remain with that stupid and nonsensical illusion of yours if it makes you sleep at night

Except that Sengoku wanted Croc on his side
Doflamingo wanted Croc on his side
Mihawk stopped chasing Luffy when Croc stopped him
etc.

while Moriah gets brushed aside by Jimbei
and Doflamingo laughs at how weak he is.


We can't start making assumptions all we know is that strong NW fighters and top tiers felt Croc was a big enough force to affect the battlefield. Oda clearly separated Crocodile and Luffy when Mihawk didn't chase Luffy because of Crocodile. Mihawk was having fun toying with Luffy and he attacked anyone who came in his way but suddenly Croc he decides to halt the chase? Na Portrayal wise Croc was simply on another level during the war.

 

[Bogard]

Except that Sengoku wanted Croc on his side
Doflamingo wanted Croc on his side
Mihawk stopped chasing Luffy when Croc stopped him
etc.

while Moriah gets brushed aside by Jimbei
and Doflamingo laughs at how weak he is.


We can't start making assumptions all we know is that strong NW fighters and top tiers felt Croc was a big enough force to affect the battlefield. Oda clearly separated Crocodile and Luffy when Mihawk didn't chase Luffy because of Crocodile. Mihawk was having fun toying with Luffy and he attacked anyone who came in his way but suddenly Croc he decides to halt the chase? Na Portrayal wise Croc was simply on another level during the war.

How about we talk about the direct portrayal between Crocodile and Luffy where Luffy was placed as his superior? How about we talk about him totally outclassed by Jozu, only ending up getting saved by that same Doflamingo you think was portrayed as his equal?

It's pretty clear people only see what they want to see. We already went through this anyway and you know my opinion concerning his supposedly godly portrayal in Marineford. To me, it meant nothing at all, getting saved by plot never meant anything

 

[ToshiZO]

How about we talk about the direct portrayal between Crocodile and Luffy where Luffy was placed as his superior? How about we talk about him totally outclassed by Jozu, only ending up getting saved by that same Doflamingo you think was portrayed as his equal?

It's pretty clear people only see what they want to see. We already went through this anyway and you know my opinion concerning his supposedly godly portrayal in Marineford. To me, it meant nothing at all, getting saved by plot never meant anything

In the direct portrayal Luffy was not superior one bit. Luffy stopped Crocs attack, and? How does that place him superior? Going by this Croc had superior portrayal to Mihawk?

And actually that Jozu feat I forgot to mention is another great feat...he tanked an attack which made an Admiral bleed. Another thing alabasta Croc should not have been able to tank. Its quite simple as that.

I remember last time I asked you why Mihawk stopped chasing Luffy when Croc appeared and you replied with them having some sort of friendship or past history as Shichibukais, and that was simply a cringeworthy reason, laughable at best and a complete baseless assumption. You were trying your best to not make it about strength and something about history and all that other stuff when during war you only get recognized due to strength.

There is a clear bias when it comes to Croc with you its quite evident. "No, he'd forever be weaker than Alabasta Luffy".

 

[Bogard]

In the direct portrayal Luffy was not superior one bit. Luffy stopped Crocs attack, and? How does that place him superior? Going by this Croc had superior portrayal to Mihawk?

And actually that Jozu feat I forgot to mention is another great feat...he tanked an attack which made an Admiral bleed. Another thing alabasta Croc should not have been able to tank. Its quite simple as that.

I remember last time I asked you why Mihawk stopped chasing Luffy when Croc appeared and you replied with them having some sort of friendship or past history as Shichibukais, and that was simply a cringeworthy reason, laughable at best and a complete baseless assumption. You were trying your best to not make it about strength and something about history and all that other stuff when during war you only get recognized due to strength.

There is a clear bias when it comes to Croc with you its quite evident. "No, he'd forever be weaker than Alabasta Luffy".

Yes he was. He had a head start from kilometers away, yet suddenly Luffy blitzed him and the moment he was infront, Crocodile never attacked him again. Hell the next time we see Croc he is kilometers away from WB's ship when Luffy is calmly discussing with WB on other matter. That's superior portrayal

I made that assumption since both were Shichibukais and it's not like it was impossible. Mihawk knew Doflamingo and was flaming him during the summit, so there is nothing contradictory into thinking he would be familiar to another Shichibukai. You only find it cringe worthy either because you lack common sense or simply because of your desire to rate Crocodile higher than he should be, pushing you to interprete manga cannon as a way to boost him higher than he should be while actually ignoring other instances more reflecting his actual level, hence why talking about seeing only what you want to see

Hence why you view him tanking Jozu's attack as a feat while ignoring the portrayal of clear inferiority that you so love, him barely clinging to life after one hit, almost getting killed by a second before getting saved by Dofla

Putting someone in his place has nothing to do with bias. Because you people can't handle it because of the love of the character, is not my fault

 

[MickNerks]

He accomplished nothing in Marineford. Luffy put him in his place once again start of the war when he kicked him aside like a fodder when he was foolish to try to attack WB. Arrogance never had anything to do with strength. The simple fact that Oda still portrayed Luffy as his superior during that war should have been enough to convince people that nothing changed with Crocodile. Moria is also written back to the story and has a past with a yonko.

I don't see people thinking he'd be stronger than Doflamingo. It only happens with Crocodile. You don't need to be strong to still influence the plot. Crocodile is looking for ancient weapons. He could still be able to remain a threat this way instead of living in the fanfiction where he'd be immensely stronger to the point of surpassing supernovas growth rate despite being already a veteran already especially when there is absolute no reason to make him stronger at this point where we're already attacking with yonko sagas, but sure you can remain with that stupid and nonsensical illusion of yours if it makes you sleep at night

Wow Bogard, we have both been apart of this base for a long time and the fact that you are still unable to have a mature conversation with someone without attacking them (@Bold) is a problem. I didn't call you out or insult you, all I did was state an opinion. After reading your post I was even ready to admit you made a great point and how I forgot about crocodiles quest to gain the weapons, but the name insult left a really bad taste in my mouth. Especially from a Senior Member.

On Topic: I do think Crocodile will be stronger after being in the New World for 2 years, but I may have been to overzealous by stating he had achieve strength superior to Doflamingo. Perhaps I will wait and find out once he is revealed again. You made such a great point with his character relevance and the ancient weapons. Such a shame you became so quickly offended by my simple opinion.

 

[ToshiZO]

Yes he was. He had a head start from kilometers away, yet suddenly Luffy blitzed him and the moment he was infront, Crocodile never attacked him again. Hell the next time we see Croc he is kilometers away from WB's ship when Luffy is calmly discussing with WB on other matter. That's superior portrayal

I made that assumption since both were Shichibukais and it's not like it was impossible. Mihawk knew Doflamingo and was flaming him during the summit, so there is nothing contradictory into thinking he would be familiar to another Shichibukai. You only find it cringe worthy either because you lack common sense or simply because of your desire to rate Crocodile higher than he should be, pushing you to interprete manga cannon as a way to boost him higher than he should be while actually ignoring other instances more reflecting his actual level, hence why talking about seeing only what you want to see

Putting someone in his place has nothing to do with bias. Because you people can't handle it because of the love of the character, is not my fault

Lol then what about Croc stopping Mihawk, and Mihawk who was so adamant to chasing Luffy, where he shrugged off guys like Daz earlier decides to stop doing what he wanted to do? Is that superior portrayal as well?

Its funny you're telling me I'm seeing what I want to see when you are grasping at straws making up assumptions and fanfiction theories on why Mihawk stopped chasing Luffy. That is what you would call bias and desperation.

Like I already said.

Sengoku wants him on his side
Doflamingo wants him on his side
Mihawk stopped when he appeared
Tanked an attack which made an Admiral bleed

These are things alabasta Croc could only dream of doing. If you honestly believe Alabasta Croc who is a complete fodder among fodder could even manage to make top tiers think of his presence at the war you're delusional.

Its clear Oda did damage control during MF, he probably realized he had a Shichibukai defeated too early in the game so he tried to force the MF Croc down our throats.

Crocs overrated as all hell that's all I know. He did nothing of significance during the war, nothing that puts him on some whole other level compared to even MF Luffy. He had one clash with Mihawk who wasn't even aiming at him an it went nowhere, he had a clash with Doflamingo and it went nowhere.

People want to acknowledge Crocs faulty feats during MF, but don't even want to acknowledge Luffy taking multiple kicks from Kizaru during the war and from Sengoku?


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But you have to realize they were treating Luffy like a bug while Crocodile was being respected. Thats the difference between the two during MF.