[Discussion] Doffy-Croc MF clash

[Vandenre1ch]

At most, current Croc should be on par with Smoker. Croc is in his prime(46) and has said that he has mastered his ability to perfection which most likely includes DF awakening. Croc knew about awakened DFs so most likely, his fruit has been awakened the whole time. The only improvements for Croc is CoA and CoO at the moment.

Croc's 2nd fight with Luffy(Water Luffy) went back n' forth. Luffy suddenly being able to touch Croc caught him off guard and he still dodged Luffy's attacks with his eyes closed(Luffy's other attacks still landed). The fight ended quickly cause Luffy messed up. Even after getting his moisture back and following Croc for their 3rd fight, Luffy collapsed and passed out from exhaustion.

Croc's 3rd fight with Luffy was without his sand powers and he got crushed. G2 Luffy would've crushed Croc and G3 attacks would at most 2 shot him. However, people need to realize that the 2nd and 3rd fights with Luffy happened in a very short time between each other and Crco took a lot of hits before being taken down for good.

Croc got hit by Jozu's brilliant punk and his forehead shed a lot of blood, he coughed up a lot of blood, was gagging, kneeling and a little disoriented. Jozu would've crushed Croc. The same attack was received by Aokiji and it only busted his lip. Croc parried a slash Mihawk BUT, it was a weak slash aimed at Luffy. Mihwak(and true swordsmen) only cuts what he wants to cut.....his slashes towards WB and Luffy was meant to cut flesh, which is why they were stopped by a man of diamond and steel(the man of steel was quickly one shotted by a weaker slash). The amount of strength Mihawk was using against Luffy was low enough for Croc to parry him. Against Doffy, Doffy easily blocked a hook swing by Croc(which was swung with all his strength) while smiling with both hands in his pockets.

Currently, I say CoA and CoO Croc>Base Luffy high diff. CoA and CoO Croc<G2 Luffy high diff. CoA and CoO Croc<G2+3 Luffy med diff.

 

[Bogard]

At most, current Croc should be on par with Smoker. Croc is in his prime(46) and has said that he has mastered his ability to perfection which most likely includes DF awakening. Croc knew about awakened DFs so most likely, his fruit has been awakened the whole time. The only improvements for Croc is CoA and CoO at the moment.

Croc's 2nd fight with Luffy(Water Luffy) went back n' forth. Luffy suddenly being able to touch Croc caught him off guard and he still dodged Luffy's attacks with his eyes closed(Luffy's other attacks still landed). The fight ended quickly cause Luffy messed up. Even after getting his moisture back and following Croc for their 3rd fight, Luffy collapsed and passed out from exhaustion.

Croc's 3rd fight with Luffy was without his sand powers and he got crushed. G2 Luffy would've crushed Croc and G3 attacks would at most 2 shot him. However, people need to realize that the 2nd and 3rd fights with Luffy happened in a very short time between each other and Crco took a lot of hits before being taken down for good.

Croc got hit by Jozu's brilliant punk and his forehead shed a lot of blood, he coughed up a lot of blood, was gagging, kneeling and a little disoriented. Jozu would've crushed Croc. The same attack was received by Aokiji and it only busted his lip. Croc parried a slash Mihawk BUT, it was a weak slash aimed at Luffy. Mihwak(and true swordsmen) only cuts what he wants to cut.....his slashes towards WB and Luffy was meant to cut flesh, which is why they were stopped by a man of diamond and steel(the man of steel was quickly one shotted by a weaker slash). The amount of strength Mihawk was using against Luffy was low enough for Croc to parry him. Against Doffy, Doffy easily blocked a hook swing by Croc(which was swung with all his strength) while smiling with both hands in his pockets.

Currently, I say CoA and CoO Croc>Base Luffy high diff. CoA and CoO Croc<G2 Luffy high diff. CoA and CoO Croc<G2+3 Luffy med diff.

I can agree with what you said, but you also need to remember that concerning the bolded, Luffy still overpowered his strongest sand attack with pure brute strength

 

[chopstickchakra]

Mihawk may have stopped but what happened afterwards, nothing. Croc never had a real fight with anyone during the war and Mihawk failed to kill Luffy throughout the entire war. Mihawk clearly didn't take anyone serious during the war, so even if he and Croc actually fought its clear Mihawk was holding back.

Well I dont really argue that Croc got stronger, its obvious he did.

You know the "He didn't have a real fight" argument could really work multiple ways. It could be used as you're doing saying he never showed anything impressive, or, you could say it like "He didn't have a real fight" because everyone he stepped to decided it wasn't worth the struggle on their end, or, you could say it as no one was bothered enough by him to attack but that would just be dumb seeing as everyone was being attacked.

 

[YellowFang]

I have Croc real high on my list, definitely not close to DD but him getting beat by Luffy was certainly plot...
Croc displayed convincingly in the war of the best... His guts to go against WB right off the bat was admirable...

IMO he's not good at close ranged combats, he can be deadly for long ranges...

 

[OG sama]

You know the "He didn't have a real fight" argument could really work multiple ways. It could be used as you're doing saying he never showed anything impressive, or, you could say it like "He didn't have a real fight" because everyone he stepped to decided it wasn't worth the struggle on their end, or, you could say it as no one was bothered enough by him to attack but that would just be dumb seeing as everyone was being attacked.

Its not dumb, no one even bothered with him. The answer is simple you either:

Believe Mihawk thought Croc was a huge threat.

Or you believe Mihawk just didn't care or want to be bothered which is the best answer because Croc was stopped dead in his tracks by Luffy. Indicating that he wasn't even stronger than MF Luffy.

The second option is obviously the right one.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Its not dumb, no one even bothered with him. The answer is simple you either:

Believe Mihawk thought Croc was a huge threat.

Or you believe Mihawk just didn't care or want to be bothered which is the best answer because Croc was stopped dead in his tracks by Luffy. Indicating that he wasn't even stronger than MF Luffy.

The second option is obviously the right one.

Mihawk stopped Daz so by your own statement you're placing Croc underling above him. Yeah that's not dumb at all.

 

[ToshiZO]

Mihawk stopped Daz so by your own statement you're placing Croc underling above him. Yeah that's not dumb at all.

Someone gets it.

 

[OG sama]

Mihawk stopped Daz so by your own statement you're placing Croc underling above him. Yeah that's not dumb at all.

So you think Croc had a legit fight with Mihawk, is that what your saying?

 

[chopstickchakra]

So you think Croc had a legit fight with Mihawk, is that what your saying?

When did I say that? How about you actually stick to what's said rather than creating your own points to argue. We've already established in earlier posts he didn't have real confrontations. My point is you said it's because he wasn't even on Mihawk's radar enough to be bothered yet Mihawk struck down his subordiante just before. So by your logic Daz Bones was more of a threat to Mihawk than Croc because he didn't try to fight Croc. No name pirates were being attacked left and right, every one was a target yet fights never escalated with Croc.

By your logic presented Doffy not fighting him was because he was too weak to bother fighting yet he asked him to join him, where's the logic in that. "You're too weak for me to even acknowledge as an opponent, wanna join me." You understand how that sounds right?

 

[OG sama]

When did I say that? How about you actually stick to what's said rather than creating your own points to argue. We've already established in earlier posts he didn't have real confrontations. My point is you said it's because he wasn't even on Mihawk's radar enough to be bothered yet Mihawk struck down his subordiante just before. So by your logic Daz Bones was more of a threat to Mihawk than Croc because he didn't try to fight Croc. No name pirates were being attacked left and right, every one was a target yet fights never escalated with Croc.

By your logic presented Doffy not fighting him was because he was too weak to bother fighting yet he asked him to join him, where's the logic in that. "You're too weak for me to even acknowledge as an opponent, wanna join me." You understand how that sounds right?

I asked you a simple question dude, I never assumed you said anything. You know what a question is don't you? My question was reasonable to ask because if your to assume Croc never got the Daz treatment then what the hell happened then? They walked away from each other? If Mihawk was actually bothered with him then why was there no confrontation? You get it?

And no Im not implying at all that Daz is > Croc just because Croc didn't get slashed. In fact, that slash was meant for Luffy, the only reason Daz got slashed was because he was literally in the way of Mihawk killing Luffy, he stood right in front of him and attacked and Mihawk cut him down. Croc and Mihawk clashed, but Luffy was his target and had run away, he didn't need to bother with Croc because killing Luffy was his priority.

Anyways sure, Croc got Mihawks attention. But you seem to be missing the whole point, none of this stuff puts Croc on some whole new level, which was my argument in the first place.

He's stronger than his Alabasta counterpart but still not stronger than MF Luffy. This was my argument.

 

[ToshiZO]

I asked you a simple question dude, I never assumed you said anything. You know what a question is don't you? My question was reasonable to ask because if your to assume Croc never got the Daz treatment then what the hell happened then? They walked away from each other? If Mihawk was actually bothered with him then why was there no confrontation? You get it?

And no Im not implying at all that Daz is > Croc just because Croc didn't get slashed. In fact, that slash was meant for Luffy, the only reason Daz got slashed was because he was literally in the way of Mihawk killing Luffy, he stood right in front of him and attacked and Mihawk cut him down. Croc and Mihawk clashed, but Luffy was his target and had run away, he didn't need to bother with Croc because killing Luffy was his priority.

Anyways sure, Croc got Mihawks attention. But you seem to be missing the whole point, none of this stuff puts Croc on some whole new level, which was my argument in the first place.

He's stronger than his Alabasta counterpart but still not stronger than MF Luffy. This was my argument.

this makes zero sense. Luffy had run away BECAUSE Crocodile was infront of Mihawk. It was the exact same scenario with Daz but Mihawk cut Daz down, with Croc he simply stared right at him and let Luffy get away from him.

 

[OG sama]

this makes zero sense. Luffy had run away BECAUSE Crocodile was infront of Mihawk. It was the exact same scenario with Daz but Mihawk cut Daz down, with Croc he simply stared right at him and let Luffy get away from him.

Mihawk asked Daz a question and then Daz attacked him, that's why he got cut down.

 

[ToshiZO]

Mihawk asked Daz a question and then Daz attacked him, that's why he got cut down.

lol I'll add that to the list of comedy replies to this question.

Mihawk asking him his name is irrelevant lol.

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And he didn't even ask he was sorta just talking to himself.

Daz was in his way. Daz got cut. Simple as that.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Croc isn't stronger than Vergo.​

 

[WhistleBlower]

They have mutual respect and acknowledgement of each others strength. Although, i believe Doflamingo is the stronger from the two.

This said, luffy defeated crocodile only due to plot. You could say but he didn't even use any gears, haki, etc but none of that was introduced at the moment. So ultimately it comes down to perspective.

 

[OG sama]

lol I'll add that to the list of comedy replies to this question.

Mihawk asking him his name is irrelevant lol.

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And he didn't even ask he was sorta just talking to himself.

Daz was in his way. Daz got cut. Simple as that.

Well your right about this one. But now that I think about it, its not impossible to believe Mihawk may have had more of an interest in Daz than in Croc. We all know Mihawk likes fighting swordsman and Daz is a man made out of steel, I know it sounds silly because Mihawk should be able to cut steel in his sleep. But perhaps Mihawk was expecting him to have some CoA, if Mihawk is confident that there will be a swordsman out there who will surpass him, I dont see why Mihawk would act like a man made out of the same material as swords would not have a chance either.

 

[MickNerks]

Everyone one should just wait until Crocodile is re-introduced in the new world, because its the same people who are currently stating that crocodile is no stronger now then he was during his first fight with luffy (3-5 years ago) that will feel stupid when Oda has him showing new OP feats with his devil fruit and Armandment haki (ect. Black Sand).

IMO this debate with crocodile is no different from the way people viewed Hashirama and Tobirama by the end of Part 1 (naruto), everyone thought they were weaker than most current shinobi because they got beat by old hiruzen and didnt show any feats note worthy of part 2. Then when Kishimoto finally re-introduced them in part 2, the same people who called them trash in part 1 were trying to jump on the part 2 bandwagon. I see the exact thing happening with crocodile in this post timeskip era. The sad thing is nobody notices this pattern in manga, cause it happens all the time.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Everyone one should just wait until Crocodile is re-introduced in the new world, because its the same people who are currently stating that crocodile is no stronger now then he was during his first fight with luffy (3-5 years ago) that will feel stupid when Oda has him showing new OP feats with his devil fruit and Armandment haki (ect. Black Sand).

IMO this debate with crocodile is no different from the way people viewed Hashirama and Tobirama by the end of Part 1 (naruto), everyone thought they were weaker than most current shinobi because they got beat by old hiruzen and didnt show any feats note worthy of part 2. Then when Kishimoto finally re-introduced them in part 2, the same people who called them trash in part 1 were trying to jump on the part 2 bandwagon. I see the exact thing happening with crocodile in this post timeskip era. The sad thing is nobody notices this pattern in manga, cause it happens all the time.

The part 1 curse is real.

 

[OG sama]

Everyone one should just wait until Crocodile is re-introduced in the new world, because its the same people who are currently stating that crocodile is no stronger now then he was during his first fight with luffy (3-5 years ago) that will feel stupid when Oda has him showing new OP feats with his devil fruit and Armandment haki (ect. Black Sand).

IMO this debate with crocodile is no different from the way people viewed Hashirama and Tobirama by the end of Part 1 (naruto), everyone thought they were weaker than most current shinobi because they got beat by old hiruzen and didnt show any feats note worthy of part 2. Then when Kishimoto finally re-introduced them in part 2, the same people who called them trash in part 1 were trying to jump on the part 2 bandwagon. I see the exact thing happening with crocodile in this post timeskip era. The sad thing is nobody notices this pattern in manga, cause it happens all the time.

Know one is saying he's not going to be stronger after the TS except Bogard and even he knows that's not true. But him being Doflamingo level the next time we see him isn't happening, and he doesn't need to be that strong anyway.

 

[MickNerks]

Know one is saying he's not going to be stronger after the TS except Bogard and even he knows that's not true. But him being Doflamingo level the next time we see him isn't happening, and he doesn't need to be that strong anyway.

You say that now, until he is revealed later having gained

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OR Oda decides that he would like to use Crocodile in the fight against the Yonko's and Crocodile is shown holding his own against one. My point is that none of us are Oda or have ANY IDEA what he may have planned in the future, so counting Crocodile out right now and saying that there is no way he could be stronger than doflamingo isnt the safest position to have.

Honestly all I know is that, if the next time we see crocodile and he caught the STRONG NECK SYNDROME lmao then more then likely he is about to pull out new feats. By STRONG NECK SYNDROME I mean the people who came back after the timeskip looking like this:

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