[Discussion] Doffy-Croc MF clash

[Uzumaki Macho]

In the direct portrayal Luffy was not superior one bit. Luffy stopped Crocs attack, and? How does that place him superior? Going by this Croc had superior portrayal to Mihawk?

And actually that Jozu feat I forgot to mention is another great feat...he tanked an attack which made an Admiral bleed. Another thing alabasta Croc should not have been able to tank. Its quite simple as that.

I remember last time I asked you why Mihawk stopped chasing Luffy when Croc appeared and you replied with them having some sort of friendship or past history as Shichibukais, and that was simply a cringeworthy reason, laughable at best and a complete baseless assumption. You were trying your best to not make it about strength and something about history and all that other stuff when during war you only get recognized due to strength.

There is a clear bias when it comes to Croc with you its quite evident. "No, he'd forever be weaker than Alabasta Luffy".

Pre TS Luffy survived an attack from Kizaru and Sengoku, who are both stronger than Jozu. Croc surviving one hit from Jozu isn't impressive.

 

[ToshiZO]

Pre TS Luffy survived an attack from Kizaru and Sengoku, who are both stronger than Jozu. Croc surviving one hit from Jozu isn't impressive.

We can't scale that attack from Kizaru, Jozu used the exact same attack on an Admiral and made him bleed. Also surviving is not tanking, Croc literally landed on both feat he didn't even fall.

Luffy needed to be boosted by Ivankovs hormone injection to even stay on the battlefield IIRC. Croc didn't.

Also can you guys tell me how someone on Alabasta Crocs level can call the New World their second home? Clear damage control by Oda imo, one of the few things he messed up on.

 

[Bogard]

Well calling me bias means nothing to me. I already said everything i had to say. If it hurts you, i don't care. I'd continue to put him down however whenever i can and you can continue to live in that fanfiction if you want

Pre TS Luffy survived an attack from Kizaru and Sengoku, who are both stronger than Jozu. Croc surviving one hit from Jozu isn't impressive.

He obviously won't see this of course

 

[OG sama]

Lol then what about Croc stopping Mihawk, and Mihawk who was so adamant to chasing Luffy, where he shrugged off guys like Daz earlier decides to stop doing what he wanted to do? Is that superior portrayal as well?

Its funny you're telling me I'm seeing what I want to see when you are grasping at straws making up assumptions and fanfiction theories on why Mihawk stopped chasing Luffy. That is what you would call bias and desperation.

Like I already said.

Sengoku wants him on his side
Doflamingo wants him on his side
Mihawk stopped when he appeared
Tanked an attack which made an Admiral bleed

These are things alabasta Croc could only dream of doing. If you honestly believe Alabasta Croc who is a complete fodder among fodder could even manage to make top tiers think of his presence at the war you're delusional.

Its clear Oda did damage control during MF, he probably realized he had a Shichibukai defeated too early in the game so he tried to force the MF Croc down our throats.




But you have to realize they were treating Luffy like a bug while Crocodile was being respected. Thats the difference between the two during MF.

Croc never even had a legitimate fight with anyone during the war, he just barged in on fights that had nothing to do with him. He had clashes with people that resulted in nothing.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

We can't scale that attack from Kizaru, Jozu used the exact same attack on an Admiral and made him bleed. Also surviving is not tanking, Croc literally landed on both feat he didn't even fall.

Luffy needed to be boosted by Ivankovs hormone injection to even stay on the battlefield IIRC. Croc didn't.

Also can you guys tell me how someone on Alabasta Crocs level can call the New World their second home? Clear damage control by Oda imo, one of the few things he messed up on.

Crocodile did not tank that attack, he was clearly damaged. Besides, Luffy didn't take much damage from a punch from Buddha Sengoku. Also, can you please post a scan of Sengoku saying he wants Crocodile?

 

[ToshiZO]

Croc never even had a legitimate fight with anyone during the war, he just barged in on fights that had nothing to do with him. He had clashes with people that resulted in nothing.

You see him stopping Mihawks attack is not what is truly impressive. Whats truly impressive is that Mihawk felt Croc was a big enough force to stop chasing Luffy.

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is Daz Bones trying to save Luffy, Mihawk can give two shits about it, he slashes him and moves on. Now Croc shows up and Mihawk completely halts the hunt for his prey.

That is portrayal right there.

Not one person can argue this fact, only fanfiction starts appearing when this question is brought up why did Mihawk not just cut Crocodile and move on like he did with Daz? I know they start sweating when this question is brought up cause they can't answer it.

At the least you know he can't be on Alabasta Crocs level. The fact that he's even comparable to MF Luffy should be asinine since he was in a jail cell rotting. You can atleast agree to that much that he was close to MF Luffy. I don't know about you but it was clear damage control by Oda.

I mean it doesn't even make sense Crocodile has to be the biggest troll character in this series Luffy beat him in alabasta and kept getting stronger beating stronger enemies 300 chapters later after all his fights and new moves we find out he hadn't even properly surpassed Crocodile one of the first main villains he had defeated? Dafuq type of progression is that?

Crocodile did not tank that attack, he was clearly damaged. Besides, Luffy didn't take much damage from a punch from Buddha Sengoku. Also, can you please post a scan of Sengoku saying he wants Crocodile?

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. Sengoku is pissed Crocodile is on their side meaning he believes he is a big factor in the war. Now if he were alabasta Level why would Sengoku even give a rats ass what Crocodile does since he is irrelevant strength wise?

 

[OG sama]

You see him stopping Mihawks attack is not what is truly impressive. Whats truly impressive is that Mihawk felt Croc was a big enough force to stop chasing Luffy.

Here is Daz Bones trying to save Luffy, Mihawk can give two shits about it, he slashes him and moves on. Now Croc shows up and Mihawk completely halts the hunt for his prey.

That is portrayal right there.

Not one person can argue this fact, only fanfiction starts appearing when this question is brought up why did Mihawk not just cut Crocodile and move on like he did with Daz? I know they start sweating when this question is brought up cause they can't answer it.

At the least you know he can't be on Alabasta Crocs level. The fact that he's even comparable to MF Luffy should be asinine since he was in a jail cell rotting. You can atleast agree to that much that he was close to MF Luffy. I don't know about you but it was clear damage control by Oda.

I mean it doesn't even make sense Crocodile has to be the biggest troll character in this series Luffy beat him in alabasta and kept getting stronger beating stronger enemies 300 chapters later after all his fights and new moves we find out he hadn't even properly surpassed Crocodile one of the first main villains he had defeated? Dafuq type of progression is that?

Mihawk may have stopped but what happened afterwards, nothing. Croc never had a real fight with anyone during the war and Mihawk failed to kill Luffy throughout the entire war. Mihawk clearly didn't take anyone serious during the war, so even if he and Croc actually fought its clear Mihawk was holding back.

Well I dont really argue that Croc got stronger, its obvious he did.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Croc may never have become PK, but he is the pirate that is king of being overrated.

 

[Bogard]

Anyone with common sense would know that Mihawk can one shot Crocodile if he really wants. Anyone even serious about using a Crocodile-Mihawk interaction as a way to think otherwise just prove their lack common sense and how unworthy they are to argue against

Croc may never have become PK, but he is the pirate that is king of being overrated.

Haha nicely said lol

 

[ToshiZO]

Mihawk may have stopped but what happened afterwards, nothing. Croc never had a real fight with anyone during the war and Mihawk failed to kill Luffy throughout the entire war. Mihawk clearly didn't take anyone serious during the war, so even if he and Croc actually fought its clear Mihawk was holding back.

Well I dont really argue that Croc got stronger, its obvious he did.

Ofocurse Mihawk would beat him, thats not the point. Its the fact that Crocodile was getting respect from Mihawk.

And @ Bold, and That is why it doesn't make sense and its damage control by Oda. That's what some people refuse to believe even though its clear as day he was stronger than in Alabasta. Lets try to use logic here, Alabasta Crocodile is weaker than Doflamingo's underlings underling, why would he even waste his breath for a guy of that level?

 

[OG sama]

Ofocurse Mihawk would beat him, thats not the point. Its the fact that Crocodile was getting respect from Mihawk.

And @ Bold, and That is why it doesn't make sense and its damage control by Oda. That's what some people refuse to believe even though its clear as day he was stronger than in Alabasta. Lets try to use logic here, Alabasta Crocodile is weaker than Doflamingo's underlings underling, why would he even waste his breath for a guy of that level?

Except DD would waste his time doing that, the guy recruited a baby Dellinger and a young Baby 5.

 

[ToshiZO]

Except DD would waste his time doing that, the guy recruited a baby Dellinger and a young Baby 5.

DD was not in the middle of a war with a lot of other candidates when he recruited them did he? I'm sure there were plenty of alabasta strength or higher level fodder at the war to recruit lol.

 

[OG sama]

DD was not in the middle of a war with a lot of other candidates when he recruited them did he? I'm sure there were plenty of alabasta strength or higher level fodder at the war to recruit lol.

My point still stands though, if he will recruit kids then him recruiting Alabasta Croc isn't surprising or impressive.

But I know what your saying and I know Croc got stronger, I'm just trying to say his portrayal wasn't above any ones except his much weaker alabasta counterpart.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

You see him stopping Mihawks attack is not what is truly impressive. Whats truly impressive is that Mihawk felt Croc was a big enough force to stop chasing Luffy.

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is Daz Bones trying to save Luffy, Mihawk can give two shits about it, he slashes him and moves on. Now Croc shows up and Mihawk completely halts the hunt for his prey.

That is portrayal right there.

Not one person can argue this fact, only fanfiction starts appearing when this question is brought up why did Mihawk not just cut Crocodile and move on like he did with Daz? I know they start sweating when this question is brought up cause they can't answer it.

At the least you know he can't be on Alabasta Crocs level. The fact that he's even comparable to MF Luffy should be asinine since he was in a jail cell rotting. You can atleast agree to that much that he was close to MF Luffy. I don't know about you but it was clear damage control by Oda.

I mean it doesn't even make sense Crocodile has to be the biggest troll character in this series Luffy beat him in alabasta and kept getting stronger beating stronger enemies 300 chapters later after all his fights and new moves we find out he hadn't even properly surpassed Crocodile one of the first main villains he had defeated? Dafuq type of progression is that?

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. Sengoku is pissed Crocodile is on their side meaning he believes he is a big factor in the war. Now if he were alabasta Level why would Sengoku even give a rats ass what Crocodile does since he is irrelevant strength wise?

You didn't address the main part of my post. Sengoku was mad because he thought Croc was against WB and didn't expect him to save Ace. Doesn't mean Sengoku sees him as very valuable.

 

[ToshiZO]

You didn't address the main part of my post. Sengoku was mad because he thought Croc was against WB and didn't expect him to save Ace. Doesn't mean Sengoku sees him as very valuable.

Already addressed it. Those other attacks aren't quantifiable. If Croc simply tanked an attack from Jozu I wouldn't have brought it up. Its the fact that the very same attack injured an Admiral. Also Croc didn't even fall from the attack.

And I'm not about to go back and forth with you on that.

 

[OG sama]

You didn't address the main part of my post. Sengoku was mad because he thought Croc was against WB and didn't expect him to save Ace. Doesn't mean Sengoku sees him as very valuable.

I think Sengoku just wanted to increase the chances of winning the war by having as many people against WB as he can. I don't think he meant it as Croc being some game changer.

 

[ToshiZO]

I think Sengoku just wanted to increase the chances of winning the war by having as many people against WB as he can. I don't think he meant it as Croc being some game changer.

If he wasn't a game changer than its irrelevant who's side he was on. And clearly he was a game changer since he saved Ace, Luffy, and Jimbei at one or more instances during the war.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Already addressed it. Those other attacks aren't quantifiable. If Croc simply tanked an attack from Jozu I wouldn't have brought it up. Its the fact that the very same attack injured an Admiral. Also Croc didn't even fall from the attack.

And I'm not about to go back and forth with you on that.

I don't remember Jozu using Brilliant Punk on Aokiji, besides all Aokiji has was a small amount of blood coming out of his mouth. Crocodile got sent flying by Brilliant Punk.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

If he wasn't a game changer than its irrelevant who's side he was on. And clearly he was a game changer since he saved Ace, Luffy, and Jimbei at one or more instances during the war.

Him saving Ace had nothing to do with strength though. Sengoku and the Marines thought Croc was on their side, so they were only paying attention to WB, his crew, and his allies when they were about to execute Ace. So Croc had an opening to save Ace since the Marines weren't paying attention to him.

 

[OG sama]

If he wasn't a game changer than its irrelevant who's side he was on. And clearly he was a game changer since he saved Ace, Luffy, and Jimbei at one or more instances during the war.

He just asked Croc why and that was it. He didn't pitch a fit because Croc wasn't on there side so its obvious he wasn't that big of a contributor.

Yes he saved those guys but he did by laying low and doing almost nothing during the war, he was off panel for a good amount of time up until that moment.

Croc would have never been able to kill WB, the only people who had a chance were the admirals. How exactly would Croc be a game changer for the marines? There were already the other Shichibukai who did little in stopping WB.