Does Sasuke still have 6 paths power.

[chaos control]

No. Sasuke should not be producing Rikudo chakra. It makes 0 sense if he had simply gotten a transfer of chakra and a tat. I don't find it complex, just insane. But you are right that nerfing them doesn't harm the story much. It's not like any smart villain would try to take Boruto's head while he's in the village anways.

I have to disagree that it makes no sense for Sasuke to produce rikudou chakara. If anything, it makes no sense for the power to be temporary. It has been shown multiple times that some chakara transfers can be permanent (especially from Hagoromo). Think about it:

1. Asura got the same kind of power up from Hagoromo that Naruto and Sasuke got. Hagoromo gave Asura this power so that Asura could use it to lead ninshuu. Now, you would think that Asura would be leading ninshuu for the rest of his life (or at least until he retires and picks his own successor) right? Well if Asura were to lead ninshuu for life, then what sense would it make for Hagoromo to give Asura power that would only last a day or so? That makes no sense! Asura was clearly one example of a permanent chakara transfer from Hagoromo.

2. Ninshuu and the spreading of chakara itself is another example. Hagoromo purposely spread chakara around the world so that people would connect with each other via chakara, and create peace. If chakara transfers can't be permanent, then I guess Hagoromo only wanted world peace for a few days, since by your logic, all of the people he spread chakara to should have lost that chakara.

3. Hagoromo expected Naruto to be the meeting place for the bijuus since Naruto had obtained all of their chakaras (via chakara transfer mind you). Now, I don't know about you, but I thought that Hagoromo expected​ Naruto to be the meeting place for life. I guess in your eyes though, Hagoromo only wanted Naruto to be the meeting place for a few minutes since he got those chakaras through chakara transfer.

Do you see what I mean? There seems to be different ways of transferring chakara in the NV and some of those ways do in fact allow for permanent power ups. Not all of them are permanent (such as Obito giving Kakashi DMS), but some of them are (such as Hagoromo's chakara transfers).

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

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I have to disagree that it makes no sense for Sasuke to produce rikudou chakara. If anything, it makes no sense for the power to be temporary. It has been shown multiple times that some chakara transfers can be permanent (especially from Hagoromo). Think about it:

1. Asura got the same kind of power up from Hagoromo that Naruto and Sasuke got. Hagoromo gave Asura this power so that Asura could use it to lead ninshuu. Now, you would think that Asura would be leading ninshuu for the rest of his life (or at least until he retires and picks his own successor) right? Well if Asura were to lead ninshuu for life, then what sense would it make for Hagoromo to give Asura power that would only last a day or so? That makes no sense! Asura was clearly one example of a permanent chakara transfer from Hagoromo.

2. Ninshuu and the spreading of chakara itself is another example. Hagoromo purposely spread chakara around the world so that people would connect with each other via chakara, and create peace. If chakara transfers can't be permanent, then I guess Hagoromo only wanted world peace for a few days, since by your logic, all of the people he spread chakara to should have lost that chakara.

3. Hagoromo expected Naruto to be the meeting place for the bijuus since Naruto had obtained all of their chakaras (via chakara transfer mind you). Now, I don't know about you, but I thought that Hagoromo expected​ Naruto to be the meeting place for life. I guess in your eyes though, Hagoromo only wanted Naruto to be the meeting place for a few minutes since he got those chakaras through chakara transfer.

Do you see what I mean? There seems to be different ways of transferring chakara in the NV and some of those ways do in fact allow for permanent power ups. Not all of them are permanent (such as Obito giving Kakashi DMS), but some of them are (such as Hagoromo's chakara transfers).

Leave it to you to have what's probably the most thorough rebuttals on comments alone.

 

[Nerosmoke]

I don't understand. Naruto has 6paths sage mode.

what does Sasuke have?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

lolwut? So Sasuke cannot use Bansho Ten'in or Madara cannot use Preta to absorb jutsus, like they did.

No because they never did.

 

[Uverdore9]

Six paths power is symbolized by the blackness in the chidori. If his chidori do not become black, he do not have it. Simple as that. And no, Madara had so many turns to use Bansho tenin yet he did not.

 

[JStar King]

The databook said that he was the only one who can use it, then he went on to name it after himself. I have no idea how he came up with that concept but for the most part they are a copy of the Gedo arts. Like Outer path and Naraka Path are the same thing.
Over all it points out that he invented them.

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That's strange. He's not even the original wielder and is the only one who can use it. That doesn't make sense really.

 

[super michael]

No because they never did.

Madara showed he can use Preta Path, Outer Path and Chibaku Tensei in the manga. Sasuke showed he can use Chibaku Tensei, Preta Path, Outer Path and flying/levitating.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

That's strange. He's not even the original wielder and is the only one who can use it. That doesn't make sense really.

I think he combined some Uzamaki like type abilities to the powers he created. I've notice that his pain powers consume more life force out of you when you use them.
I also notice that Jigokudō summons kings of hell which Gedo/Outer also summons kings of hell to restore souls. So Jigokudō restores the Pains while Gedo/Outer restores everybody with King of Hell powers.
Animal realm can also summon King of Hell along with animals that Pain captured to cultivate as Pain. Ningendo is able to absorbs souls just like Hell King and Gedo Mazo too.

A lot of these moves are repeats but used in a different way, but Nagato had the rinnegan all his life giving him time to create his own set of powers.

The real Rinnegan powers of Madara's eyes is what he used during the war which is Limo Hengoku(invisible realm), Tengai Shinsei, Chakra absorption, and Chibaku tensei (all rinnegan users can this).
I think he said something to Obito about summoning the moon to since his rinnegan has the power to undo the seal idk.
All meteor base/planetiod powers which is interesting.

Madara showed he can use Preta Path, Outer Path and Chibaku Tensei in the manga. Sasuke showed he can use Chibaku Tensei, Preta Path, Outer Path and flying/levitating.

He didn't use preta path at all and Sasuke never used preta path or Outer path either. I don't know where you're getting this levitating thing either and it's not a power that Pain can do.
Stop confusing people's individual powers.

And the thing you need to learn about the Outer path is that in the manga it is the power to control life and death, you can use it to restore bodies souls that have been killed. Sasuke didn't use any of those powers unless you have a scan proving otherwise.

 

[chaos control]

I think he combined some Uzamaki like type abilities to the powers he created. I've notice that his pain powers consume more life force out of you when you use them.
I also notice that Jigokudō summons kings of hell which Gedo/Outer also summons kings of hell to restore souls. So Jigokudō restores the Pains while Gedo/Outer restores everybody with King of Hell powers.
Animal realm can also summon King of Hell along with animals that Pain captured to cultivate as Pain. Ningendo is able to absorbs souls just like Hell King and Gedo Mazo too.

A lot of these moves are repeats but used in a different way, but Nagato had the rinnegan all his life giving him time to create his own set of powers.

The real Rinnegan powers of Madara's eyes is what he used during the war which is Limo Hengoku(invisible realm), Tengai Shinsei, Chakra absorption, and Chibaku tensei (all rinnegan users can this).
I think he said something to Obito about summoning the moon to since his rinnegan has the power to undo the seal idk.
All meteor base/planetiod powers which is interesting.

He didn't use preta path at all and Sasuke never used preta path or Outer path either. I don't know where you're getting this levitating thing either and it's not a power that Pain can do.
Stop confusing people's individual powers.

And the thing you need to learn about the Outer path is that in the manga it is the power to control life and death, you can use it to restore bodies souls that have been killed. Sasuke didn't use any of those powers unless you have a scan proving otherwise.

You seem to have ignored my post, shown below. Also, Madara and Sasuke both used Deva Path (via bringing down meteors and chibaku tensei, and preta path). Madara and Obito also used rinne tensei which is a jutsu of the outer path. Obito was said to be able to use the paths abilities multiple times when he had the rinnegan eye (He once said to Kabuto that he could pull out a guy's soul, and later it was said that he didn't use the paths abilities during the fight with Naruto/Bee/Kakashi/Guy because using those techniques while controlling the bijuus would cost too much chakara, not because he couldn't use them).

Also for what it's worth, the anime and the video games disagree with you, as in the anime Sasuke straight out used bansho tenin in the fight with Naruto, and in the ninja storm games, both Madara and Sasuke can use shinra tensei and bansho tenin.

You should really stop using an outdated databook to support the ridiculous notion that Nagato has his own unique jutsus with someone else's eyes (that the original owner can't use). The facts of the matter are this:

Madara (the real one) hadn't made his debut at the time of that data book, so of course it would not mention him as a user of these techniques. Plus, we didn't even know that Madara had the rinnegan at that time. All we knew at that time, was that Madara had EMS (which was told to us via Itachi's explanation to Sasuke just before their final battle).

Needless to say, Sasuke didn't have the rinnegan at the time, so of course he wouldn't be mentioned in that data book in regards to this information.

Hagoromo hadn't really been introduced. Jiraiya had only briefly spoken about him as a legend. Why would a data book go into detail about the powers of a character that literally wouldn't even debut in the story for years to come?

Don't even get me started on Momoshiki.

By the way, when Obito had Madara's rinnegan, it was stated that Obito could use the six paths techniques, but it would cost too much chakara to use those in addition to controlling the bijuus.


Just to drive my point home, let me remind you of something:

An early data book once said that kamui was unique to Kakashi. If I'm using your logic, then it shouldn't make sense that Obito could use it since Obito wasn't listed in that old data book. If you are being sensible however, then you would realize that obviously the data book wouldn't spoil the identity of "Tobi" years before he even came into prominence.

Another example: That same data book also said that those who master tsukuyomi and amaterasu awaken susanoo, and that susanoo comes equipped with totsuka and yata. Well, I guess by your logic, either Sasuke has tsukuyomi/totsuka/yata and he has just never used them before, or it doesn't make sense that he has susanoo.

Or... you could think logically and realize that Itachi was the only Uchiha with mangekyou sharingan that had been introduced at that time, and as such, the data book would only speak specifically about Itachi (and not future MS users like Sasuke, or ones from the past that had not been formally introduced like Madara).


Do you see the point that I am trying to drive home here? You really seem to be under the fallacious impression that the data books would actually spoil information about characters/powers that wouldn't even debut for years to come. Sorry to break this to you, but that is just not the case!

In short, the reason why Nagato is listed as "the only user of these techniques" in that data book, is not because he actually is the only user. No... It is simply because he was the only known rinnegan user in the manga at the time! Period!

Conclusion: You should stop saying that only Nagato could use the six paths techniques, while using that old data book as a source of validation. The books don't spoil events years into the future, and they aren't even comprehensive either. Remember that.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

You seem to have ignored my post, shown below. Also, Madara and Sasuke both used Deva Path (via bringing down meteors and chibaku tensei, and preta path).

Well this is wrong. Because Madara/Sasuke moving chibaku tensei is literally the power of chibaku tensei, you don't use Tendo for that and even Pain held up chibaku tensei in the air without using shinra tensei or Bansho tenin. After Naruto escaped it he dissembled the jutsu

Madara and Obito also used rinne tensei which is a jutsu of the outer path. Obito was said to be able to use the paths abilities multiple times when he had the rinnegan eye (He once said to Kabuto that he could pull out a guy's soul, and later it was said that he didn't use the paths abilities during the fight with Naruto/Bee/Kakashi/Guy because using those techniques while controlling the bijuus would cost too much chakara, not because he couldn't use them).

Gedo art: Rinne tensei. It's not a path power, Nagato just associated it with his pain powers. As I said before you're confusing the powers. When Madara and Tobi were in the cave, Madara said he will teach him the Justus of Six paths not the jutsus of six pains. Obviously they were talking about an entirely different jutsu considering the fact that both of them did not have the rinnegan. For madara to show tobi the jutsus and for tobi to preform them they'll need the rinnegan first to use the jutsus of Pain.
The manga never said that Tobi can use them either, they just speculated he can't and Tobi said that they were wrong by forcing the bijus to transfrom.

Also for what it's worth, the anime and the video games disagree with you, as in the anime Sasuke straight out used bansho tenin in the fight with Naruto, and in the ninja storm games, both Madara and Sasuke can use shinra tensei and bansho tenin.

Anime and videa game is fake filler. Why you gonna tell me that Tobirama can use bringer of darkness too? Or that the Hoshikage is a canon thing?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

You should really stop using an outdated databook to support the ridiculous notion that Nagato has his own unique jutsus with someone else's eyes (that the original owner can't use). The facts of the matter are this:

So you question the third databooks validity by saying its outdated when the recent 4th DB also said that Nagato is the sole user of his Pain jutsus as well?
And it's not like you have a manga page of anybody but Nagato using those pain jutsu meaning no fake filler or non canon videogames.

Madara (the real one) hadn't made his debut at the time of that data book, so of course it would not mention him as a user of these techniques. Plus, we didn't even know that Madara had the rinnegan at that time. All we knew at that time, was that Madara had EMS (which was told to us via Itachi's explanation to Sasuke just before their final battle).

So?

Needless to say, Sasuke didn't have the rinnegan at the time, so of course he wouldn't be mentioned in that data book in regards to this information.

Didn't mention it in the fourth DB either so what's your point? He was listed as the sole user for the rinnegan technique amenotejakra but his name was nowhere to be seen with the six pain jutsus.

Hagoromo hadn't really been introduced. Jiraiya had only briefly spoken about him as a legend. Why would a data book go into detail about the powers of a character that literally wouldn't even debut in the story for years to come?

Even some of those legends were inaccurate.

Don't even get me started on Momoshiki.

By all means do because his rinnegan jutsus were completetly different.

By the way, when Obito had Madara's rinnegan, it was stated that Obito could use the six paths techniques, but it would cost too much chakara to use those in addition to controlling the bijuus.

I wouldn't doubt that because the jutsus of six paths are technique written down in the stone tablet that requires Uchiha and Senju powers to preform. Six path of pain jutsus however require the rinnegan to learn and use in this case Nagato remains the sole user.
Those jutsus of six paths that madara are talking about is IT, six path coffin seal, gedo art etc.
People didn't assume that nagato's six path of pain jutsus were called six path jutsus until old madara and ms 13 year old obito were in the cave talking about it. But people never went back to the manga or 3rd/4th Databook to see that it was still called the six pain jutsus the whole entire time and it was never changed.

Just to drive my point home, let me remind you of something:

An early data book once said that kamui was unique to Kakashi. If I'm using your logic, then it shouldn't make sense that Obito could use it since Obito wasn't listed in that old data book. If you are being sensible however, then you would realize that obviously the data book wouldn't spoil the identity of "Tobi" years before he even came into prominence.

Well yes that version of Kamui belonged to Kakashi. Unless you want to tell me that Tobi can use long distance left eye kamui?
As for Tobi they listed him as a mangekyo sharingan user and they specified his kamui abilities too, but they didn't reveal that his MS abilities was another form of kamui as well.

Another example: That same data book also said that those who master tsukuyomi and amaterasu awaken susanoo, and that susanoo comes equipped with totsuka and yata. Well, I guess by your logic, either Sasuke has tsukuyomi/totsuka/yata and he has just never used them before, or it doesn't make sense that he has susanoo.

Or... you could think logically and realize that Itachi was the only Uchiha with mangekyou sharingan that had been introduced at that time, and as such, the data book would only speak specifically about Itachi (and not future MS users like Sasuke, or ones from the past that had not been formally introduced like Madara).

They also said that too much raw natural energy also turns you to stone too, and everybody misconceived that this natural energy was only implied to Frog senjutsu user and not everybody else.
So what you said proved my point exactly that not only is it wrong that you need Tsukyomi and Amatersu to awaken Susano'o but it is also wrong to believe that every rinnegan user has the power to use the six pain is the same.
Every Susano'o powers is different as well as every rinnegan powers is different. Surprised that you're not seeing that.

Do you see the point that I am trying to drive home here? You really seem to be under the fallacious impression that the data books would actually spoil information about characters/powers that wouldn't even debut for years to come. Sorry to break this to you, but that is just not the case!

In short, the reason why Nagato is listed as "the only user of these techniques" in that data book, is not because he actually is the only user. No... It is simply because he was the only known rinnegan user in the manga at the time! Period!

Conclusion: You should stop saying that only Nagato could use the six paths techniques, while using that old data book as a source of validation. The books don't spoil events years into the future, and they aren't even comprehensive either. Remember that.

Wrong! New source of material and the old sourced proved this wrong as well as the point that six path of pain IS NOT the six path jutsus. Pain still remains the sole user till today. Look at the 4th DB

 

[Uverdore9]

People should stop saying Sasuke and Madara can use Preta Path and shit. That is NOT how it works, clearly. You cannot have Preta path when you cannot absorb limitlessly. Madara already conceded he can only absorb a set amount of chakra and Ninjutsu. Madara, despite Rinnegan being his own eyes do not have the power to use all the six paths simultaneously. Nor did Sasuke. Preta path is omnidirectional. Madara has to lift his hand to absorb the technique. Madara/Sasuke used Hell Realm, Human Realm, Gravity Realm, Demonic Realm, Beast Realm, no, nothing. He used Planetary Devastation which is the Outer Paths technique not Gravity Realm's, as visualized by Gravity Realm needing to get closer to Nagato to use it and Nagato himself uses the seals to initiate the technique. Any Rinnegan user is the Outer Path and can control the Heretic Realm which is the Heretic Statue or Gedo Mazo. Rinnegan also has the benefit of absorbing Ninjutsu because it is the wellspring of Ninjutsu according to The Databook of Kishimoto. Whatever comes from something can be, taken back into that "something".

 

[Styles]

You should really stop using an outdated databook to support the ridiculous notion that Nagato has his own unique jutsus with someone else's eyes (that the original owner can't use). The facts of the matter are this:

Madara (the real one) hadn't made his debut at the time of that data book, so of course it would not mention him as a user of these techniques. Plus, we didn't even know that Madara had the rinnegan at that time. All we knew at that time, was that Madara had EMS (which was told to us via Itachi's explanation to Sasuke just before their final battle).

Needless to say, Sasuke didn't have the rinnegan at the time, so of course he wouldn't be mentioned in that data book in regards to this information.

Hagoromo hadn't really been introduced. Jiraiya had only briefly spoken about him as a legend. Why would a data book go into detail about the powers of a character that literally wouldn't even debut in the story for years to come?

Don't even get me started on Momoshiki.

By the way, when Obito had Madara's rinnegan, it was stated that Obito could use the six paths techniques, but it would cost too much chakara to use those in addition to controlling the bijuus.


Just to drive my point home, let me remind you of something:

An early data book once said that kamui was unique to Kakashi. If I'm using your logic, then it shouldn't make sense that Obito could use it since Obito wasn't listed in that old data book. If you are being sensible however, then you would realize that obviously the data book wouldn't spoil the identity of "Tobi" years before he even came into prominence.

Another example: That same data book also said that those who master tsukuyomi and amaterasu awaken susanoo, and that susanoo comes equipped with totsuka and yata. Well, I guess by your logic, either Sasuke has tsukuyomi/totsuka/yata and he has just never used them before, or it doesn't make sense that he has susanoo.

Or... you could think logically and realize that Itachi was the only Uchiha with mangekyou sharingan that had been introduced at that time, and as such, the data book would only speak specifically about Itachi (and not future MS users like Sasuke, or ones from the past that had not been formally introduced like Madara).


Do you see the point that I am trying to drive home here? You really seem to be under the fallacious impression that the data books would actually spoil information about characters/powers that wouldn't even debut for years to come. Sorry to break this to you, but that is just not the case!

In short, the reason why Nagato is listed as "the only user of these techniques" in that data book, is not because he actually is the only user. No... It is simply because he was the only known rinnegan user in the manga at the time! Period!

Conclusion: You should stop saying that only Nagato could use the six paths techniques, while using that old data book as a source of validation. The books don't spoil events years into the future, and they aren't even comprehensive either. Remember that.

My Gawd.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Unless explicitly mentioned that they don't have it, they have it.

 

[Styles]

:lol @ the people saying Sasuke and Madara don't have six paths abilities.

 

[MightGai]

No because they never did.

Of course they didn't, and kishimoto implicitly saying here that they are a rinnegan technique instead of Nagato's own jutsu is just nonsense as well:

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[chaos control]

So you question the third databooks validity by saying its outdated when the recent 4th DB also said that Nagato is the sole user of his Pain jutsus as well?
And it's not like you have a manga page of anybody but Nagato using those pain jutsu meaning no fake filler or non canon videogames.


So?


Didn't mention it in the fourth DB either so what's your point? He was listed as the sole user for the rinnegan technique amenotejakra but his name was nowhere to be seen with the six pain jutsus.


Even some of those legends were inaccurate.


By all means do because his rinnegan jutsus were completetly different.

I wouldn't doubt that because the jutsus of six paths are technique written down in the stone tablet that requires Uchiha and Senju powers to preform. Six path of pain jutsus however require the rinnegan to learn and use in this case Nagato remains the sole user.
Those jutsus of six paths that madara are talking about is IT, six path coffin seal, gedo art etc.
People didn't assume that nagato's six path of pain jutsus were called six path jutsus until old madara and ms 13 year old obito were in the cave talking about it. But people never went back to the manga or 3rd/4th Databook to see that it was still called the six pain jutsus the whole entire time and it was never changed.


Well yes that version of Kamui belonged to Kakashi. Unless you want to tell me that Tobi can use long distance left eye kamui?
As for Tobi they listed him as a mangekyo sharingan user and they specified his kamui abilities too, but they didn't reveal that his MS abilities was another form of kamui as well.

They also said that too much raw natural energy also turns you to stone too, and everybody misconceived that this natural energy was only implied to Frog senjutsu user and not everybody else.
So what you said proved my point exactly that not only is it wrong that you need Tsukyomi and Amatersu to awaken Susano'o but it is also wrong to believe that every rinnegan user has the power to use the six pain is the same.
Every Susano'o powers is different as well as every rinnegan powers is different. Surprised that you're not seeing that.

Wrong! New source of material and the old sourced proved this wrong as well as the point that six path of pain IS NOT the six path jutsus. Pain still remains the sole user till today. Look at the 4th DB

Please show me the 4th data book if possible. You say that Nagato is listed as the sole user, but that is because he is the only one who actually used those techniques as apart of his main arsenal (not because he is the only one capable).

Also, I keep telling you: The data books are not comprehensive. They don't list everything that a character can do. They just list prominent parts of the character's main arsenal (the parts that the character predominately uses in the manga). Sometimes the data book just flat out omits things. Does that data book list Madara and Sasuke as users of shadow clone jutsu? Well, we've seen them using it. Heck, the data book doesn't even list truth seeking balls as senjutsu or list the bijuu chakaras as being apart of six paths sage mode. The data books aren't the be all end all "if it's not there, you can't do it" source.

Also, the time with the bijuu/jinchuurikis isn't the only time when it was implied that Obito could use the six paths techniques. Go back to when Obito was talking to Kabuto. It was just before Kabuto gave Obito a demonstration of edo tensei. Obito outright said, "I could pull out his soul, but that would kill him". That is ningendou.


There is a larger issue about your stance that I really want to ask you about though. Just to be clear:

When you say that you believe that Madara/Sasuke can't use the six paths techniques... Do you believe that they are capable of learning the techniques, but simply don't know them (where as Nagato had the rinnegan since a young age and would have had time to train with the rinnegan), or are you suggesting that it actually wouldn't be possible for Madara to even learn them because it is a KKG specific to Nagato?

Either way, I disagree with you (and so does the manga), but I could support the first premise more than the second.


Nagato having his own original techniques with someone else's eyes (that the original owner could not learn) is utter trash and absolute BS!

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Of course they didn't, and kishimoto implicitly saying here that they are a rinnegan technique instead of Nagato's own jutsu is just nonsense as well:

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What's nonsense is that you didn't read the very same post you just posted.
Here they are literally saying it's nagato's jutsus. Nagato's name is Pain just so you know:

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So you just supported exactly what I was saying thank you very much.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Please show me the 4th data book if possible. You say that Nagato is listed as the sole user, but that is because he is the only one who actually used those techniques as apart of his main arsenal (not because he is the only one capable).

Oh so now you're giving excuses? Because you literally just said that nagato wasn't listed the sole user but now you're saying it's because he's the only one that showed it. Just stop, you were wrong before and you're wrong again.

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The fan translated version for each of these techniques all said that it's the power of Rikudou Pain. Go google search all of the pain jutsus and you'll see that I'm right again.

Also, I keep telling you: The data books are not comprehensive. They don't list everything that a character can do. They just list prominent parts of the character's main arsenal (the parts that the character predominately uses in the manga). Sometimes the data book just flat out omits things. Does that data book list Madara and Sasuke as users of shadow clone jutsu? Well, we've seen them using it. Heck, the data book doesn't even list truth seeking balls as senjutsu or list the bijuu chakaras as being apart of six paths sage mode. The data books aren't the be all end all "if it's not there, you can't do it" source

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No you didn't tell me and the bottom part is wrong. bijus chakra individually is not Six path sage mode and the

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among other things I could correct in this statement is wrong but you get my point.
If you want to talk manga, then they're all called six path of pain jutsus and no one has shown any feats of using them besides Nagato.
So you're just digging a bigger hole for yourself here

Also, the time with the bijuu/jinchuurikis isn't the only time when it was implied that Obito could use the six paths techniques. Go back to when Obito was talking to Kabuto. It was just before Kabuto gave Obito a demonstration of edo tensei. Obito outright said, "I could pull out his soul, but that would kill him". That is ningendou.

1. It's not a six path technique it's a six path of pain technique
2. No he can't otherwise why else did he say he couldn't use the rinnegan?

There is a larger issue about your stance that I really want to ask you about though. Just to be clear:

When you say that you believe that Madara/Sasuke can't use the six paths techniques... Do you believe that they are capable of learning the techniques, but simply don't know them (where as Nagato had the rinnegan since a young age and would have had time to train with the rinnegan), or are you suggesting that it actually wouldn't be possible for Madara to even learn them because it is a KKG specific to Nagato?

Six path of pain jutsus not six path techniques. The six path techniques Madara taught Obito in the cave did not stem from the rinnegan because clearly neither of them posses it. People assume that madara was talking about pain's jutsus.

Either way, I disagree with you (and so does the manga), but I could support the first premise more than the second.

Unfortunately for you everything I said and underlined to @MightGai came from the manga so the only one opposing the manga here is you and two other people. As far as manga and the databook goes, you're wrong. I didn't just make these words up, I underlined them specifically from the VIZ manga. You however have not shown a single manga page to support your speculation. You even went as far as to say that the DB didn't have any validity but somehow your headcanon does, that's just sad. I choose the words from the DB and manga over yours anytime, I really don't care about what you feel is and is not suppose to happen.
The Rinnegan is the ocular power to create your own jutsus, and we've seen nagato do that numerous times. His pain powers, rainmaker jutsu, genjutsu barrier etc came from nagato creating jutsus with the rinnegan. Sasuke even created Indra's arrow with the rinnegan.
So this pre set notion of yours on how the rinnegan powers get is farce.

Nagato having his own original techniques with someone else's eyes (that the original owner could not learn) is utter trash and absolute BS!

Rinnegan users having the same jutsus is absolute bullshit. Momoshiki was different, Nagato was different, and so was everybody else. There is nothing in the manga were it is stated that all original owners of the rinnegan can use nagato's jutsus. Just know that.
Even animal paths summoning contract has konan in it. You telling me sasuke can summon konan with animal path? Or Madara?
So just drop this garbage theory!

 

[MightGai]

What's nonsense is that you didn't read the very same post you just posted.
Here they are literally saying it's nagato's jutsus. Nagato's name is Pain just so you know:

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So you just supported exactly what I was saying thank you very much.

Kishimoto: Why aren't they using Pain Jutsu? Maybe they , or he can't. So he's not foolish enough to divvy up his chakra to make them perform Pain's jutsu that are already known and able to be countered

so yeah, the author says they can do it. Concession accepted :lol