Kishimoto: Why aren't they using Pain Jutsu? Maybe they , or he can't. So he's not foolish enough to divvy up his chakra to make them perform Pain's jutsu that are already known and able to be countered
so yeah, the author says they can do it. Concession accepted :lol
That was a speculation not a confirmation
Because Obito shortly after expended more of the devved up chakra by forcing transformation. :lol
Edit: Now you’re saying it’s pain’s Justus but before you said that it was a “rinnegan technique INSTEAD OF NAGATO’S OWN JUTSUS is nonsense.”
So why are you now changing your mind? You just argued with me a few minutes ago that it wasn’t Pain’s Justus. See, you have no idea on what you’re talking about.
Rinnegan users having the same jutsus is absolute bullshit. Momoshiki was different, Nagato was different, and so was everybody else. There is nothing in the manga were it is stated that all original owners of the rinnegan can use nagato's jutsus. Just know that.
Even animal paths summoning contract has konan in it. You telling me sasuke can summon konan with animal path? Or Madara?
So just drop this garbage theory!
This is what I really want to focus on right here:
The problem with the bolded statement is that Nagato wasn't a natural rinnegan user. His rinnegan was actually Madara's, so yeah Madara should be able to use the techniques of his own freaking eye! Nagato shouldn't have his own techniques with Madara's eyes. That is what makes it so BS!
I could accept your premise more if you just said that Sasuke/Hagoromo/Momoshiki couldn't use them since those are actually entirely separate pairs of rinnegan eyes. However, your belief that Madara can't use them is where the BS comes in.
Think about it this way:
When Kakashi had Obito's left eye, he could use long range kamui.
When Obito later gained his left eye back, he could use long range kamui.
Makes sense right?
Your premise about Madara not being able to use the rinnegan techniques in question, is basically akin to saying:
Kakashi had Obito's left eye, so he could use long range kamui.
Obito gets his own freaking left eye back, and for whatever reason he can't use jack!
How much sense does that make?
"All rinnegan users are different", you say? Well to sum up my point, I say:
Nagato is not a real rinnegan user! Borrowed eyes don't give you your own abilities!
This is what I really want to focus on right here:
The problem with the bolded statement is that Nagato wasn't a natural rinnegan user. His rinnegan was actually Madara's, so yeah Madara should be able to use the techniques of his own freaking eye! Nagato shouldn't have his own techniques with Madara's eyes. That is what makes it so BS!
I could accept your premise more if you just said that Sasuke/Hagoromo/Momoshiki couldn't use them since those are actually entirely separate pairs of rinnegan eyes. However, your belief that Madara can't use them is where the BS comes in.
Think about it this way:
When Kakashi had Obito's left eye, he could use long range kamui.
When Obito later gained his left eye back, he could use long range kamui.
Makes sense right?
Your premise about Madara not being able to use the rinnegan techniques in question, is basically akin to saying:
Kakashi had Obito's left eye, so he could use long range kamui.
Obito gets his own freaking left eye back, and for whatever reason he can't use jack!
How much sense does that make?
"All rinnegan users are different", you say? Well to sum up my point, I say:
Nagato is not a real rinnegan user! Borrowed eyes don't give you your own abilities!
You're literally missing the point I'm trying to make this whole time.
NAGATO CREATED THE SIX PATH OF PAIN USING THE RINNEGAN, THE SIX PATH OF PAIN JUTSUS DID NOT AUTOMATICALLY COME WITH THE RINNEGAN SO ORIGINAL OWNER OR NOT IS IRRELEVANT.
THAT IS WHY EVERY RINNEGAN USER IS DIFFERENT.
That was a speculation not a confirmation
Because Obito shortly after expended more of the devved up chakra by forcing transformation. :lol
Edit: Now you’re saying it’s pain’s Justus but before you said that it was a “rinnegan technique INSTEAD OF NAGATO’S OWN JUTSUS is nonsense.”
So why are you now changing your mind? You just argued with me a few minutes ago that it wasn’t Pain’s Justus. See, you have no idea on what you’re talking about.
Actually, obito (Kishimoto rather) did confirm that, so it's not speculation (and it's also reinforced by Naruto) :
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There is Obito agreeing with Kakashi, and Gai's, analysis, that he cannot control the biju and do the jutsus at the same time, meaning under normal situations he can use all the jutsus the rinnegan includes, going from the paths (funny how they are called "paths" and you have a character called "sage of the 6 paths" and even so you insist that they are nagato's jutsu...) to rinne tensei.
And no, I'm not saying they were pain jutsus, the thing I wrote in bold is textual from the manga, not my words. Seriously, you're reaching tyrance levels by now ..
when sasukes rinningan gains the 6 tomoes that means he still has the Sage in him, its just has a longer CD now. only gods have the powers to create portals into other worlds/dimensions
Actually, obito (Kishimoto rather) did confirm that, so it's not speculation (and it's also reinforced by Naruto) :
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There is Obito agreeing with Kakashi, and Gai's, analysis, that he cannot control the biju and do the jutsus at the same time, meaning under normal situations he can use all the jutsus the rinnegan includes,
Jesus Christ no. Gai was wrong and everyone thought
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In to which Tobi was being condescending told him that he seemed right, but he was not because he ironically showing perfect control over the beast:
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So you just missed the sarcasm in the context there that Tobi had with Gai, Kakashi, and Naruto
Even when Tobi lost those bijus he still showed no six pain jutsus
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I don't know how much clearer the manga has to be to tell you that tobi, doesn't have six path pains justus. He used wood style more than he did the rinnegan and he's not even senju.
fyi: rinne tensei is a Gedo art which i specifically said is the six path jutsus madara taught obito in the cave. It's not part of the 6 powers power nagato created. Anyone with a rinnegan can use rinne tensei same thing with chibaku tensei.
going from the paths (funny how they are called "paths" and you have a character called "sage of the 6 paths" and even so you insist that they are nagato's jutsu...) to rinne tensei.
The manga calls them six path of pains jutsu and naruto literally said pain's jutsu. So no shit it's gonna be nagato's jutsus because Nagato's name is Pain.
And I hope you realize that Sage of Six paths means that Hagormoo is a Sage of rikudou senjutsu chakra. Just like how Jiraiya is a Toad Sage, Hagormoo was a 6 path Sage. His name is in reference to the senjutsu not the pain jutsus nagato created.
And no, I'm not saying they were pain jutsus, the thing I wrote in bold is textual from the manga, not my words. Seriously, you're reaching tyrance levels by now ..
This is ironic because you're fabricating your own theory to counter what I literally I underlined in the manga. You're saying I'm reaching tyrance level when the manga not only showed no feats of any using pain's jutsus except for pain and discrediting the DB by listing nagato as the sole user.
You have no proof and you're saying I'm the one that's reaching? That doesn't make sense whatsoever. If Madara and Sasuke used Bansho tenin, Shinra tensei, King of Hades, Shurado etc then I would not be here arguing in the fist place. It's common knowledge.
Jesus Christ no. Gai was wrong and everyone thought
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In to which Tobi was being condescending told him that he seemed right, but he was not because he ironically showing perfect control over the beast:
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So you just missed the sarcasm in the context there that Tobi had with Gai, Kakashi, and Naruto
Even when Tobi lost those bijus he still showed no six pain jutsus
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I don't know how much clearer the manga has to be to tell you that tobi, doesn't have six path pains justus. He used wood style more than he did the rinnegan and he's not even senju.
fyi: rinne tensei is a Gedo art which i specifically said is the six path jutsus madara taught obito in the cave. It's not part of the 6 powers power nagato created. Anyone with a rinnegan can use rinne tensei same thing with chibaku tensei.
The manga calls them six path of pains jutsu and naruto literally said pain's jutsu. So no shit it's gonna be nagato's jutsus because Nagato's name is Pain.
And I hope you realize that Sage of Six paths means that Hagormoo is a Sage of rikudou senjutsu chakra. Just like how Jiraiya is a Toad Sage, Hagormoo was a 6 path Sage. His name is in reference to the senjutsu not the pain jutsus nagato created.
This is ironic because you're fabricating your own theory to counter what I literally I underlined in the manga. You're saying I'm reaching tyrance level when the manga not only showed no feats of any using pain's jutsus except for pain and discrediting the DB by listing nagato as the sole user.
You have no proof and you're saying I'm the one that's reaching? That doesn't make sense whatsoever. If Madara and Sasuke used Bansho tenin, Shinra tensei, King of Hades, Shurado etc then I would not be here arguing in the fist place. It's common knowledge.
Oh geez ... he's telling that it takes too much chakra to control the bijus, not that he cannot control them perfectly (which he couldn't in the end , since the gobi rebelled, which strengthens the point that he doesn't have enough skill to both control the bijus and use the six paths, as stated above)
Why he didn't show them?, because as Kishimoto already said it, they were known jutsu and are able to be countered.
:lol chibaku tensei is a Deva path jutsu.
Oh, so from the shitload of titles Hagoromo could take, he chose "rikudo" (riku = six, do = way/path) because it sounded badass, not at all related to the six path jutsu ... damn, that's some tyrance's levels over there.
Of course the manga did show:
Madara using preta once:
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Madara using preta twice:
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It's just that the trolling is weak and getting boring honestly
Oh geez ... he's telling that it takes too much chakra to control the bijus, not that he cannot control them perfectly (which he couldn't in the end , since the gobi rebelled, which strengthens the point that he doesn't have enough skill to both control the bijus and use the six paths, as stated above)
So "able to be countered" = "Useless techniques which should not even be bothered" now? Check your logics lol. It is high levels of fanfics dosages now. This post...lol.
You can stop spouting this utter BS. Chibaku Tensei is an outer path technique; which is Nagato, Sasuke and Madara. Nagato did hand seals to use this while no hand seals for 6 paths techniques. You can stop with this BS now.
Oh, so from the shitload of titles Hagoromo could take, he chose "rikudo" (riku = six, do = way/path) because it sounded badass, not at all related to the six path jutsu ... damn, that's some tyrance's levels over there.
Databook calls it "Pain of the six paths" not "Sasuke of the six paths" or "Rinnegan of the six paths" lol. Cut the BS. The only one who likes giving irrelevant names to techniques thus far is Minato so you can cut the utter Fanfics BS now lol.
Of course the manga did show:
Madara using preta once:
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Madara using preta twice:
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It's just that the trolling is weak and getting boring honestly
Interpretations of the manga sounds and looks like BS incarnate. Madara never said "Preta Path" when he was about to use absorption, if it was his jutsu he should have known it's names right? Not only that, the Databook says Hell Realm is a secret technique and not a Rinnegan technique.
Jigokudou
It's a heartless act to manipulate life and death by calling on the ruler of hades!!
The soul of the living is pulled out in-order to be eaten, this hijutsu (hidden jutsu, I.E. clan jutsu) calls out the ruler of hades. To lay down life's burden unconditionally the soul is eaten. The power is drawn out the instant the jutsu users touches (litterally to lay ones hands on) someone, resistance is impossible. Once grasped the person can only await death. Directed towards judging the authenticity of the answer to the question, the gift of a tranquil death awaits a person who states falsehoods.
Because Rikudou's power is, authority over the god who rules over life and death. To let live and to kill, entrusting everything to the ruler of hades.
Obito was going to use Madara Rinnengan to seal Yamato soul to get the intel from him, but it would of killed Yamato. That is why Kabuto wanted to use a truth serum and Obito use his Sharingan instead of his Rinnengan ability.
Here is proof
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Obito was planning to use Human Path to learn everything about Yamato what he knows.
^Rinne-tensei is an outer path technique. And viz says Nagato devoloped the technique for Tobi. And Tobi thought he can use Human path because he was a newbie to the Rinnegan. He could not and the result we can see in the war.
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Obito's Rinne Tensei was a gift to him after gaining Nagato's Rinnegan. But he has to make a variation of it himself as his hand seals are different from Nagato and thus not the original Rinne Tensei.
Don't tell me you're still believing this . Even this guy Edowaga wasn't that desperate... When i asked him about this scan, he told me it was a "drawing mistake", guess he knows the manga better than the author himself :lol although still his explations regarding this were still better than calling it susanoo.
Don't tell me you're still believing this . Even this guy Edowaga wasn't that desperate... When i asked him about this scan, he told me it was a "drawing mistake", guess he knows the manga better than the author himself :lol although still his explations regarding this were still better than calling it susanoo.
Of course you'll say some senseless headcanon like this. The manga never said that he absorbed anything neither was it shown. :lol
You have no proof of anything, you're just speculating.
Of course you'll say some senseless headcanon like this. The manga never said that he absorbed anything neither was it shown. :lol
You have no proof of anything, you're just speculating.
There is nothing to speculate, it is shown very well on that scan. Everyone with working eyes can see it's preta. You didn't response to my last post and ran away from the last thread after I solo'ed you.
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@bold you are half right, the laser was being melted and absorbed on the whole surface of the orb.
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Pay attention to the lines inside the orb and how they are drawn because they're indicating the jutsu is getting sucked in. If it was susanoo, the barrier would be drawn in 1 solid structure like in your scan. Preta's orb isn't always seen in a full circle, it's a matter of perspective
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Making useless comparisons and trying to change the subject again will get you nowhere...again. Im not going to explain again the differences between Bee's and Lee's attacks and their outcomes.
Bubble means it is definitely = Preta Path. Wow. Greatest logic ever. If Madara knew Preta Path even remotely in his life, he would say Preta when he uses his absorption. Which he do not. A user not knowing his technique name is greatest fallacy which is passed off as fact in discussions I have ever seen in my life. Hilarious :lol
Urrm No, he is absolutely wrong. Hashirama knows about Rinne tensei
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Madara was going to use it via obito to revive himself. Like other 6 path jutsu's, it existed long before Nagato was born so he didn't invent shit. Nagato didn't create any single 6 path jutsu. That is a faulty claim from his slurpers who are wrong as usual. Obito wanting to use Human path shits on such a claim
I solo'ed him a while ago in other thread, he stopped replying so i thought i convinced him. Today I saw your sig in other thread I was like no way this guy's back at it again :|
