Do you think that Sasuke has surpassed Itachi?

[KidGamer65]

Itachi is far from being one of my favourite characters, quite the contrary actually. And I did answer your question, you just don't want to read it.

But the thing is that hypothetical or not the question itself is stupid. "Has Sasuke surpassed Itachi?" - Which Itachi are we talking about? Because to surpass is to compare both and Sasuke coming on top, but you have to know what to compare to. And as EMS does not exist in a same plan as MS Itachi you can not make this comparison. So that must mean you want to compare an Edo MS Itachi to EMS Sasuke and that still leaves Itachi on top.

While if you want to compare if current Sasuke has surpassed what Itachi was able to achieve in life, then the answer is no. Despite the fact that current Sasuke is an addition of his own eyes to Itachi's, Sasuke still has long way to go until he reaches the mastery and experience Itachi had.

EMS grants Sasuke the kunay and Itachi's MS is just a stone. But the master still can beat a kunay with a stone.

None of this analysis fully answers your question, much less the way you wanted, simply because the question was poorly formulated. This comparison is idiotic and like it or not logic works this way. You may not like it but hey!... Live and learn, boy.

@bold: :sy: Itachi doesn't have to be alive to compare his power to Sasuke's.

And you didn't answer the question in your first post, you said "And yet again another thread where no conclusions can be achieved as it is an impossible matter."

None of what you posted in your first post was necessary, all you had to do was answer the question, and if you think it is idiotic; why did you even post in here to begin with?

 

[Gdamon]

nope...

 

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Its true ive said that the kabuto isnt a good way to anaylse ems sasuke, however this is when kabuto himself is involved. Stamina helps but who said you cannot be beaten before your opponent runs out of chakra, not that im contributing to a vs thread of any kind. Sasuke has however subtle said himself that he hasnt surpassed itachi when he labelled him perfect

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If both were given the same opponents fight im certain that if both were to defeat their opponent itachi would come out with less damage than sasuke because he is simple the much much better combatant. Though that is in the past ill give you an example. Itachi defeats orochimaru at the age of 12 with genjutsu even before orochimaru would get him in fushi tensei within a minute. Sasuke at 16 was poisoned, but also orochimaru managed to get him in this technique (fushi tensei) before sasuke reversed it on him. Another example is deidora. Itachi defeats him in a minute. Deidora took sasuke to high difficulty and he sustained great injuries. Both examples were in the past, however im trying to tell you that, sasuke even now is still lacking and isnt close to itachi's combat feats. Or to put it simple, if we were to take itachi out of the nagato scenario and implement ems sasuke, i believe its fair to say that both bee and naruto would've end up captured, with sasuke defeated

I try to distant myself from this topic but also on here altogether and try to ignore people who quote me in case it comes down to a long discussion that im not interested. To end on this note the younger brother believes that the eye transplant of his older brother is making him stronger. Some might say thats because he now has ems, however i believe that though this true, its only half true. What im saying is that itachi's true power, itself is adding to sasuke's. Itachi's eyes is being used as a power up for sasuke;

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like i said before he wasit admitting that itachi was better he was just saying hes perfect sasuke will always see itachi as his superior just because he his older brother i could say the same about itachi saying jiraiya would have took on him and kisame so they had to flee you would make a huge argument also actions speak louder than words also if itachi was to defeat his oppenents quicker than sasuke and with less damage because his style is genjutsu witch alot of ninjas are useless against such as oro & deidara and its just not sasuke fighting style but i can also say the same itachi could not have defeated zetsu as easy as sasuke did

you keep layin out patterns how itachi defeats people who sasuke had trouble with but that was 3 tomoe sasuke. danzo would defeat itachi aswell but does that apply to sasuke vs itachi and anyway no i have a full explation how sasuke defeats itachi

 

[ImNoOne]

@bold: :sy: Itachi doesn't have to be alive to compare his power to Sasuke's.

And you didn't answer the question in your first post, you said "And yet again another thread where no conclusions can be achieved as it is an impossible matter."

None of what you posted in your first post was necessary, all you had to do was answer the question, and if you think it is idiotic; why did you even post in here to begin with?

I'd say you did not read my post as you did not see that I answered it but then you read the idiotic part which suggests to me that you read the first line and the last.. which is as idiotic as the thread it self, but who am I to comment on your reading habits.

The fact still remains that said comparison can not be made, otherwise you can start making comparisons like "Has current Sasuke surpassed 13 year old Naruto?" or "Is 9 year old Orichimaru weaker than 50 year old Orochimaru?" and so on and so fourth.
My words might have betrayed me, obviously you can make these comparisons but they are idiotic and do not lead to any sort of conclusion.

This thread falls in the same categories of "Take Sasuke's eyes and he is weaker than Naruto" or "Kakashi is weak because the Sharingan is not his". Those arguments can be made, that doesn't mean they have any value.

You can argue all you want but you won't be able to invalid my words. This comparison is stupid, if you wont here it from me then read others posts. You'll see that many have stated the same I did. For instance Blaze used my exact same words to describe that the comparison is stupid. And as I did if you run down to it you'll find out that in any angle you try to achieve conclusions from this you'll see that Itahci still comes on top.

Peace.

 

[HiddenSound]

Not quite yet but he's getting there.

 

[KidGamer65]

I'd say you did not read my post as you did not see that I answered it but then you read the idiotic part which suggests to me that you read the first line and the last.. which is as idiotic as the thread it self, but who am I to comment on your reading habits.

The fact still remains that said comparison can not be made, otherwise you can start making comparisons like "Has current Sasuke surpassed 13 year old Naruto?" or "Is 9 year old Orichimaru weaker than 50 year old Orochimaru?" and so on and so fourth.
My words might have betrayed me, obviously you can make these comparisons but they are idiotic and do not lead to any sort of conclusion.

This thread falls in the same categories of "Take Sasuke's eyes and he is weaker than Naruto" or "Kakashi is weak because the Sharingan is not his". Those arguments can be made, that doesn't mean they have any value.

You can argue all you want but you won't be able to invalid my words. This comparison is stupid, if you wont here it from me then read others posts. You'll see that many have stated the same I did. For instance Blaze used my exact same words to describe that the comparison is stupid. And as I did if you run down to it you'll find out that in any angle you try to achieve conclusions from this you'll see that Itahci still comes on top.

Peace.

And yet again another thread where no conclusions can be achieved as it is an impossible matter.

Current Sasuke does not exist in the same plan as living Itachi. If Itachi is alive then Sasuke has only a MS, and we all know where that leads.

If Itachi is the last one we saw then it's an Edo Itachi vs EMS Sasuke. Edo immortality still trumps a non sealing EMS Sasuke. So at the end of the day Itachi still wins hands down.

Making an EMS Sasuke vs a non Edo MS Itachi is just plain stupid and I honestly don't get why the most idiotic threads always get on the hottest threads.

That is your quote....you did not answer the question asked in the OP, these are the comparisons you made.

Edo Itachi and EMS Sasuke

MS Sasuke and MS Itachi

You only said that we can't reach a conclusion....thats not an answer.

Maybe YOU are the one who can't read..

 

[Splendid Ninja]

err no the last time we saw itachi was babysitting him.

 

[ImNoOne]

Read again! try hard.

What I said was no the question does not lead to any conclusions. This comparison does not prove Sasuke to have surpassed Itachi.

And then I gave the answers for the two comparisons taht could be made. MS vs MS or Edo MS vs EMS.

You should open your eyes and read instead of looking for some argument that will not exist. I won't engage on more of this, as my words stand for my stance and I do not believe there is nothing else to say on the matter it self. And I'm surely not going to discuss over on how the words were stated any longer.

You can either understand my words and what I'm trying to say or you can leave them and move on. This is the last I'll add on the matter.

 

[KidGamer65]

Read again! try hard.

What I said was no the question does not lead to any conclusions. This comparison does not prove Sasuke to have surpassed Itachi.

And then I gave the answers for the two comparisons taht could be made. MS vs MS or Edo MS vs EMS.

You should open your eyes and read instead of looking for some argument that will not exist. I won't engage on more of this, as my words stand for my stance and I do not believe there is nothing else to say on the matter it self. And I'm surely not going to discuss over on how the words were stated any longer.

You can either understand my words and what I'm trying to say or you can leave them and move on. This is the last I'll add on the matter.

The bold shows that you did not answer the OP, so don't say that you did, all you did was say that it makes no sense and because of that a conclusion can't be made.

Whether it made sense or not, you still didn't answer it (fact).

1st sentence: And yet again another thread where no conclusions can be achieved as it is an impossible matter.

If you are referring to this as your answer then, no it's not an answer, there is an answer you just don't want to answer it cause it doesn't make sense, yet the majority of the people who posted here just answered the question instead talking about all this crap you are talking about.

2nd and 3rd sentence: Like you just said in this post, you compared the two possible situations, but that isn't what the OP asked...so try again.

4th sentence: Making an EMS Sasuke vs a non Edo MS Itachi is just plain stupid and I honestly don't get why the most idiotic threads always get on the hottest threads.

This is just you bashing the thread, again not an answer.

 

[NarutoSageUzumaki]

itachi is underrated.

itachi coulnt even be surpassed by tobi

his skill with the Sharingan is far superior to any other living Uchiha - even Madara who is pretty much stronger due to his Senju DNA thing


Sasuke will eventually surpass him - but itachi can just use much more techniques when it comes to a fight w/o the Sharingan

 

[KidGamer65]

itachi is underrated.

itachi coulnt even be surpassed by tobi

his skill with the Sharingan is far superior to any other living Uchiha - even Madara who is pretty much stronger due to his Senju DNA thing


Sasuke will eventually surpass him - but itachi can just use much more techniques when it comes to a fight w/o the Sharingan

Itachi is not underrated, one thread asking if Sasuke has surpassed Itachi does not make him underrated.

 

[huzaifa555]

Simple logic Ems>Ms. Also is Itachi healthy or sick and crippeled. That is not stated so I will go with sick one so Sauske pwn Itachi.

 

[NarutoSageUzumaki]

Itachi is not underrated, one thread asking if Sasuke has surpassed Itachi does not make him underrated.

you just read the first line and missed the whole point of my post ....

 

[nNoma]

Sasuke surpassed Itachi when he gained EMS. This is not to say Sasuke defeats Itachi in all aspects of ninjutsu, genjutsu, and taijutsu, because we all know Itachi's genjutsu is top notch, but with EMS Sasuke can nullify Tsukyomi and the sharingan can see through any of Itachi's regular genjutsu. Sasuke has better control of Amateratsu than Itachi, allowing him better control of the flames, he's also packing some pretty good taijutsu/kenjutsu.

Sasuke is certainly not as intelligent as Itachi, but he knows enough now.

 

[History]

sasuke

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First disscussion amaterasu both user have the abilite sasuke has the edge here because of Blaze release

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it really makes no difference how good you are with it when they both a to solutions for this tech susanoo and extinguishing the flames of amaterasu

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amaterasu is certain useless in this fight. Intelligence/experience intelligence is useless to a degree itachi stands above sasuke in this area he has outsmarted and outclass ninja such a kakashi orochimaru deidara naruto and even sasuke himself in the past sasuke is smart aswell when hes going up against strong ninja he never underestimate them exp people might bash me about this but they have the same exp with ms sasuke masterd amaterasu better than itachi masterd genjutsu better than sasuke also ninja is on the same level of mastery with ms in my opinion itachi didnt use his susanoo no better than sasuke did. Genjutsu i might get flamed for this but sasuke has the edge over itachi i know itachi has tsukuyomi witch sasuke already broke

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even itachi was in shock that his genjutsu got broke weather it was a full powerd tsukuyomi or not itachi said

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sasuke has the stronger dojutsu ems also he has itachi eyes so now he knows what itachi ment with the power of there eyes and ems

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i belive sasuke can catch itachi and genjutsu because its like KA imo becuase your under his genjutsu with out you knowing it makes you seens things that isnt there also how can itachi counter a genjutsu that he isnt aware that he is under even danzo a sharingan specialist even with shusui mongekyou sharingan and all those other sharingans he still didnt notice it

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finally Susanoo i have reason to belive sasuke is stronger with version 4 while itachi ms version 3 but itachi has the ultimate denfense yata mirror sasuke susanoo attacks are useless to this yata mirror but they cannot hard each other totsuka blade cant pierce susanoo it is like the sword of kasanagi just a spritual weapon sasuke enton blade wont do much either i think we all know who can hold there susanoo up longer sasuke if sasuke susanoo goes off first this will happen

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if itachis let his down same thing

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do to ems sasuke wins med-high diff theres is no healthy itachi people and if there is we can only assume he has the reserves as when he had when he fought sasuke 3 tomoe Hope you people enjoy[/SPOILER]

 

[Maziasz1981]

Sasuke little bitch!!!!! Itachi owns him

 

[true enigma]

In power yes he has because of EMS but in many other things like knowledge and experience he hasnt so if they fought itachi would win.

 

[shelke]

I see no conclusive points in this entire thread, other than a few manga pages that grasp at straws. Citing Kabuto fight over and over again doesn't help anyone's case, as Sasuke never fought him and was told to hold back and follow. And as Sasuke loves his brother, he obeyed without question. Calling Itachi an expert in MS is a far-fetched idea, as his control over amatersu is pretty abysmal, a skill where Sasuke excels by a mile. Itachi was a known genjutsu user and Sasuke will have no problems breaking out of it, as only a true sharingen user can do so with ease:

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And now that Sasuke has EMS, there is no way in hell Itachi is trapping him in his tsukiyomi. Izanami works very differently than Tsukiyomi and actually traps a use in events who won't acknowledge their true self:

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. How would that trap Sasuke exactly?

Sasuke calls Itachi perfect because he loves him and always looked up to him. If you people think this is somehow a point to toot Itachi's superiority horn then you have completely failed to understand their relationship. Bringing out an intelligence point is pretty damn underhanded as Sasuke is known to break down the enemy patters and figure out their moves and strike to turn the battle in his favour.

We saw it happen in Bee's fight when he used his amatersu at just the crucial moment to fell Hachibi and turn the tables completely, with Danzo when he figured out Izanagi and made him use up all his sharingen to end the fight quickly, with A when he saw that he dodged his Amatersu with two techniques (Body flicker and Lightening armour relase), he encased his susano with Enton and A had to lose an arm, in his fight with Deidara, he called Manda, put him under genjutsu and escaped the fight unscathed. If this isn't high calibre intelligence then you people are on something or severely fanboyish enough or even anti-sasuke as usual. Itachi maybe smarter, but there is no way in hell the difference is big. It's extremely negligible.

Sasuke can easily break out of any of Itachi's MS genjutsus, he is better at Amaterasu by a long shot, he is smart enough to deduce his patterns as the rest of his feats prove, he's fast enough to dodge his attacks. His speed has been praised by deidara, and tobi as well. He's very well at taijutsu, as he effortlessly blocked Kakashi's attack when he was almost blind. To consider all this and the fact that he has EMS and still put Itachi over him with a large margin is nothing but non-sense.

 

[wutangforever]

pretty much all sasuke needs is more knowledge and he will eventually be on ems madara level

 

[KidGamer65]

you just read the first line and missed the whole point of my post ....

I got the point of your post..