[Discussion] Do you now consider luffy to be as strong as doflamingo?

[OG sama]

Chill with the patronizing bullshit. It's not warranted in this conversation.

I'd say GK did about 45% damage, and the G4 damage did another 45. Then the last King Kong gun did enough to knock him out, but not reduce him to 0.

Well if this is what you believe so be it. There's no way to ever no for sure how weakened he real was anyway, so I guess the whole argument was pointless.

Sometimes you got to wonder with all the help those two got in that fight, when will they be ready to beat him on there own?

These two need a serious Haki boost especially if they expect to be fighting Kaido. They stand no chance whatsoever right now, if they can't beat Mingo, Kaido is going to make them all look like fodder.

I'm curious about what Odas going to do about these two, they should be at least Marco, Jozu, and Vista level individually if they expect to win.

 

[kageking]

In raw power, Luffy is stronger than Doflamingo, he's faster than him and he arguably has more powerful haki. Doflamingo has complete devil fruit mastery and haki and has far greater endurance in using his power than Luffy does. If Luffy didn't have Law helping him hed have died on at least two occasions because Doflamingo had the stamina advantage. So yes Luffy may have the advantage in power but Doflamingo had the overall advantage. If the two of them fought 1v1 then Doflamingo wins.

 

[OG sama]

In raw power, Luffy is stronger than Doflamingo, he's faster than him and he arguably has more powerful haki. Doflamingo has complete devil fruit mastery and haki and has far greater endurance in using his power than Luffy does. If Luffy didn't have Law helping him hed have died on at least two occasions because Doflamingo had the stamina advantage. So yes Luffy may have the advantage in power but Doflamingo had the overall advantage. If the two of them fought 1v1 then Doflamingo wins.

Luffy doesn't have better Haki, its just that while in G4 his Haki combines with his elasticity for a much better defense. I think that's impressive but he still needs to train his Haki even more for an even greater defense with and without G4.

 

[Black Mamba]

A fight between a healthy Luffy and Doffy can not go either way, not as of now at least. Are you comparing the damage Bellamy did to the damage Law did? They're not even close to equal. Doffy didn't really "heal" his gamma knife injury he used his string to stop the destruction of his organs all it really did was stop further damage it didn't reduce or undo any damage. Luffy started G4 with a weakened Doffy and beat him non stop for a while yet Doffy got back up. A healthy Doffy would have survived Luffy's G4 onslaught even easier sadly. From everything shown already Luffy absolutely CAN NOT finish Doffy with G4 yet.

I know how his "healing" works that's why I said "he healed himself not fully but still healed". And no I'm not comparing Bellamy's attacks to gamma knife, i'm simply saying that Luffy was also weakened you can clearly see that Bellamy's attacks were hurting him by his face expressions. My point about that was people act like Luffy was at 100% while Doffy was at like %5 lol, which is not the case they both we're weakened. Doffy was probably weakened the most thou I agree with that.

Luffy said that there were monster's on the island that could tank g4 attacks like it was nothing, but he managed to tame all of them. Why do you think that is? because of attacks like king kong gun. Healthy Luffy can maintain g4 longer and if he uses king kong gun or attacks like that (g4 + g3) he can possibly beat Doffy before g4 runs out.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I know how his "healing" works that's why I said "he healed himself not fully but still healed". And no I'm not comparing Bellamy's attacks to gamma knife, i'm simply saying that Luffy was also weakened you can clearly see that Bellamy's attacks were hurting him by his face expressions. My point about that was people act like Luffy was at 100% while Doffy was at like %5 lol, which is not the case they both we're weakened. Doffy was probably weakened the most thou I agree with that.

Luffy said that there were monster's on the island that could tank g4 attacks like it was nothing, but he managed to tame all of them. Why do you think that is? because of attacks like king kong gun. Healthy Luffy can maintain g4 longer and if he uses king kong gun or attacks like that (g4 + g3) he can possibly beat Doffy before g4 runs out.

I disagree with the bold at least for now. With the current duration limit and the effects shown in the manga I don't see G4 stopping Doffy before it runs out. We'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Punk Hazard]

In raw power, Luffy is stronger than Doflamingo, he's faster than him and he arguably has more powerful haki. DIoflamingo has complete devil fruit mastery and haki and has far greater endurance in using his power than Luffy does. If Luffy didn't have Law helping him hed have died on at least two occasions because Doflamingo had the stamina advantage. So yes Luffy may have the advantage in power but Doflamingo had the overall advantage. If the two of them fought 1v1 then Doflamingo wins.

Doflamingo has broken Luffy's Haki with his own several times. The only times Luffy's has had any effect on Doffy's was when he was weakened, but Luffy was also weakened. Their Haki was probably about even.

In raw power and speed, I'd give it to Doflamingo.

 

[Rιver]

It was basically Law & Luffy vs. Handicapped Doflamingo, with outcome being extreme high diff almost broken Luffy and Doflamingo just knocked out.

What do you think dude.

 

[OG sama]

Doflamingo has broken Luffy's Haki with his own several times. The only times Luffy's has had any effect on Doffy's was when he was weakened, but Luffy was also weakened. Their Haki was probably about even.

In raw power and speed, I'd give it to Doflamingo.

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[Punk Hazard]

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Doffy and Luffy were matching each other blow for blow while Doffy was severely injured and weakened. A full powered Doffy should be above Luffy. Doffy went from having the physical and reaction speed of an inferior clone casually swatting away a Jet Pistol to himself barely being able to react to several Gear 2 moves. It's obvious Doffy wasn't as his full capacity against Luffy.

 

[OG sama]

Doffy and Luffy were matching each other blow for blow while Doffy was severely injured and weakened. A full powered Doffy should be above Luffy. Doffy went from having the physical and reaction speed of an inferior clone casually swatting away a Jet Pistol to himself barely being able to react to several Gear 2 moves. It's obvious Doffy wasn't as his full capacity against Luffy.

Doflamingo can't match G4 Luffy in the power and Speed department. Its not even close.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Doflamingo can't match G4 Luffy in the power and Speed department. Its not even close.

You don't know that because you've never seen him face G4 at anywhere close to his full capabilities.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Doffy and Luffy were matching each other blow for blow while Doffy was severely injured and weakened. A full powered Doffy should be above Luffy. Doffy went from having the physical and reaction speed of an inferior clone casually swatting away a Jet Pistol to himself barely being able to react to several Gear 2 moves. It's obvious Doffy wasn't as his full capacity against Luffy.

There's no proof that it was a jet pistol instead of a regular pistol.

 

[OG sama]

You don't know that because you've never seen him face G4 at anywhere close to his full capabilities.

Doflamingo got sent on a tour all across Dressrosa. Doffys not even a brute force fighter, he just fights with strings. Saying he can match something like seemingly tearing a town in half and knocking someone from the royal plateau to the central district is a big ass assumption and theres no basis.

In fact Doffy said G4s power was obscene. He wouldn't even be able to match that power with his strings at full health.

And theres still no proof his strings were affected by his health. His strings dont have the drawbacks people like Law has with stamina or Luffy with too much muscle strain.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Doflamingo got sent on a tour all across Dressrosa. Doffys not even a brute force fighter, he just fights with strings. Saying he can match something like seemingly tearing a town in half and knocking someone from the royal plateau to the central district is a big ass assumption and theres no basis.

In fact Doffy said G4s power was obscene. He wouldn't even be able to match that power with his strings at full health.

And theres still no proof his strings were affected by his health. His strings dont have the drawbacks people like Law has with stamina or Luffy with too much muscle strain.

The fact that Jozu was unable to force himself out, but Luffy could shows that either Doffy's strings were weaker, or Luffy has surpassed Jozu's strength. I find the former more probable.

Doffy saying Luffy has obscene power doesn't mean he himself doesn't have it. By that logic, Doflamingo saying Sanji's hits pack a whollop means his don't.

Doffy doesn't just fight with strings. He's shown time and time again he also utilizes his body, employing punches and lots of kicks. You don't know that Doffy can't send someone flying with a kick.

 

[Bogard]

The fact that Jozu was unable to force himself out, but Luffy could shows that either Doffy's strings were weaker, or Luffy has surpassed Jozu's strength. I find the former more probable.

You made this up. I'm fairly certain Jozu would have broken it

 

[Punk Hazard]

You made this up. I'm fairly certain Jozu would have broken it

Which explains why he didn't. Nah, the completely serious Jozu just made no effort to break out whatsoever as his friends and allies died around him.

 

[Bogard]

Which explains why he didn't. Nah, the completely serious Jozu just made no effort to break out whatsoever as his friends and allies died around him.

Just like how Luffy made no effort in breaking parasite during the minutes he was controlled by it despite being able to break it in gear4?

 

[OG sama]

The fact that Jozu was unable to force himself out, but Luffy could shows that either Doffy's strings were weaker, or Luffy has surpassed Jozu's strength. I find the former more probable.

Doffy saying Luffy has obscene power doesn't mean he himself doesn't have it. By that logic, Doflamingo saying Sanji's hits pack a whollop means his don't.

Doffy doesn't just fight with strings. He's shown time and time again he also utilizes his body, employing punches and lots of kicks. You don't know that Doffy can't send someone flying with a kick.

Jozu wasn't trapped for very long. In fact he probably didn't know what the hell was going on fast enough to break out of it. He got hit by sables and the next time we see him he's out.

Obscene is synonymous with outrageous. Did Doflamingo show that he was joking around when he said that? He was clearly toying with Sanji.

Oh please his kicks before and after GK haven't been shown to be any different. I'm going off what's been shown your just trying to come up with baseless assumptions of where you want Doflamingo to be at full power despite there being NO THING backing up his kicks being on par with G4.

His feats with his kicks and punches are no where near G4 and that's the bottom line.

That's just like saying Ace can match Luffy in the brute force department despite his feats not being synonymous with it. Not to mention his fruit is not based around brute force either.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Just like how Luffy made no effort in breaking parasite during the minutes he was controlled by it despite being able to break it in gear4?

How do you know he wasn't making an effort? Not to mention he had thousands of spikes slamming into his body.

 

[bajram]

G4 itself is a step above Doflamingo, healthy or not, being thrown like a rag doll without being able to counter a single hit talks for itself, he had no answer simply no answer to what G4 can do, he was overpowered completely by G4 and was barely able to react to its speed, if anything the 30 minutes fight can be considered an onslaught by Luffy, an onslaught that Doffy was trying to survive, if anything Doflamingo wins this fight only due to the time limit and the exhaustion it causes to Luffy the moment he gets rid of them he wont have a single problem soloing someone like Doflamingo.