Difference between Shunshin and combat speed

[KingHashirama]

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Lee is already at master status when it comes to taijutsu/cqc, so imagine what Gai is?

Them both having scores of 5 doesnt mean anything, your simply a wanker when it comes to the senju and it's disgraceful and pathetic at times to see you wank imaginary characters it's pitiful. Anyone with a brain knows Gai is better in taijutsu.

From kisame himself

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^ Pretty self explanatory. Kishi and the manga and Db agree with me, it's not my fault you wank her so much you make yourself blind to the obvious which makes you look petty.



Lol what? You sound so retarded right now. I might shed a tear for you.

Gai has better taijutsu feats than tsunade? Check.
Does the databook and manga illustrate and show what I am saying? Check.

Stop the wanking.

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Fuk the casket, Fuk the urn, Fuk,YOUR ASS IS GETTING CREMATED IF YOU REPLY TO ME AGAIN FODDER

And you believe there is a difference between Guy and Lee except the gates.... ah nice to know, but let me just see them feats. =] Lee already has 5 in taijutsu.. no one said he isn't a master..

Kisame.. good for him. However, Still inferior to the statement by JIRAIYA.... when it comes to validation of statements Jiraiya owns Kisame any day... And has Kisame even seen Tsunade in a fight? Or is Tsunade one of the 3? =]. You just put yourself in a pit hole.


- Tsunade pawned Madara in a taijutsu battle = better feat than any of Guys = Check...

- Does Manga illustrate and the databook shows what i'm trying to say ? Yes.. = check


You come to me with your lil opinion based on your assumption... that Guy > Tsunade in taijutsu cause of your lil feats... and then get mad over me not agreeing, oh thats even in the end. Then you wanna call me a retard cause I'm not agreeing with you?

Clearly the only one wanking is You.. since you are the only resorting to calling names insulting because someone doesn't agree that you are right.

Don't see me saying you are a retard for expecting feats when there haven't been situations to show feats.. you argue like you are a kid.... In which way can you cremate me in a argument? by insulting me more ? You need your lil fanboy posy to support you.. rofl. Kiddo don't start sh*t that you can't complete like a man..

They were weak edos.

Who cares if they were edo.. fact is no one noticed. It doesn't take away anything from Hiruzen's striking speed.. it takes away from Hashi and Tobi's reaction speed.. but not Hiruzen's striking speed.

 

[shelke]

@KingHashirama

I agree with you, ONLY if you are talking about the strength facet of Taijutsu. No further. It's obvious Gai is at a whole different level, and by that I mean he's way out of her league. Come on man, let's drop this. I actually like you.

 

[Prince Charles]

@KingHashirama

I agree with you, ONLY if you are talking about the strength facet of Taijutsu. No further. It's obvious Gai is at a whole different level, and by that I mean he's way out of her league. Come on man, let's drop this. I actually like you.

smh please listen to shelke and stop embarrassing your self.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

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Lee is already at master status when it comes to taijutsu/cqc, so imagine what Gai is?

Them both having scores of 5 doesnt mean anything, your simply a wanker when it comes to the senju and it's disgraceful and pathetic at times to see you wank imaginary characters it's pitiful. Anyone with a brain knows Gai is better in taijutsu.

From kisame himself

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^ Pretty self explanatory. Kishi and the manga and Db agree with me, it's not my fault you wank her so much you make yourself blind to the obvious which makes you look petty.



Lol what? You sound so retarded right now. I might shed a tear for you.

Gai has better taijutsu feats than tsunade? Check.
Does the databook and manga illustrate and show what I am saying? Check.

Stop the wanking.

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Fuk the casket, Fuk the urn,YOUR ASS IS GETTING CREMATED IF YOU REPLY TO ME AGAIN FODDER

Uh, Charles? You do realize that if they both have 5 in taijutsu that Tsunade's at least on the same level and makes her a master of taijutsu as well right? Even if she's not as good, she's close.



Kisame said it's rare for ninjas to be that skilled in taijutsu. He by no means said no one could ever hope to match him. Just saying if you want to disprove KingHashirama, you need to use different examples.


My own personal thought is that Tsunade>base Guy. She's on the same level of skill and is a monster with strength.

 

[Touken]

No they all attacked him. Look at the panel again. We read the manga from right to left. On the top right panel, we see a taijutsu clash(between Deidara and Gai's team: Neji, Gai and Lee) [

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On the top left Deidara is dodging shuriken(throwed by Tenten from a distance)

Are you sure it wasn't the 3 shuriken he repelled in the top-right panel with his kunai? And then the next panel shows the result of the 3 shuriken; the deflection causes them to hit the tree. Especially since the SFX is Shing, which implies a clash of metal took place, and it doesn't make sense that a taijutsu clash occurred because the Shing implies something was hit, and neither Gai, Neji or Lee are shown with a cut.

Next page now, we see Gai's team who was attacking Deidara in taijutsu(Gai, Neji and Lee) landing on the middle panel [

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After eating the clay, Deidara exploded [

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But later we noticed it was a clay clone infact with Deidara who got the time to dig underground [

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The next page just shows them following after Deidara, considering Deidara retreated behind the tree, which is where he found his Clay Bird. I might actually just watch the Anime episode just to clear things up.

 

[KingHashirama]

@KingHashirama

I agree with you, ONLY if you are talking about the strength facet of Taijutsu. No further. It's obvious Gai is at a whole different level, and by that I mean he's way out of her league. Come on man, let's drop this. I actually like you.

Bro, difference of opinion shouldn't correlate with the person you like or not man.

You guys tend to believe in feats solely. I believe in feats + hype + Character statements. Hence why I don't chose argue about this crap no more with some people.

And eh i have no problem with people believing Guy is better than her in taijutsu... because he has shown flashier stuff. And he is pretty much in his prime age. Tsunade is an old 50 year old woman, her reflexes and etc are obviously gone down.


But eh, I'll drop it since you say so. =D

But when you have a guy who calls others retard, and says his opinion = FACT... that is when you get a flame war..

 

[Prince Charles]

Uh, Charles? You do realize that if they both have 5 in taijutsu that Tsunade's at least on the same level and makes her a master of taijutsu as well right? Even if she's not as good, she's close.



Kisame said it's rare for ninjas to be that skilled in taijutsu. He by no means said no one could ever hope to match him. Just saying if you want to disprove KingHashirama, you need to use different examples.


My own personal thought is that Tsunade>base Guy. She's on the same level of skill and is a monster with strength.

Opinions dont matter here.

I go by the manga and databook.

Gai>tsunade in taijutsu at the end of the day.

and the kisame reference was me simply showing Gai's taijutsu hype/skill

Bro, difference of opinion shouldn't correlate with the person you like or not man.

You guys tend to believe in feats solely. I believe in feats + hype + Character statements. Hence why I don't chose argue about this crap no more with some people.

And eh i have no problem with people believing Guy is better than her in taijutsu... because he has shown flashier stuff. And he is pretty much in his prime age. Tsunade is an old 50 year old woman, her reflexes and etc are obviously gone down.


But eh, I'll drop it since you say so. =D

clown is still in disbelief.

 

[shelke]

Why do you people keep posting Databook stats? They're OBSOLETE! I repeat Obsolete. Hidan was slapping Kakashi around when his stats are lower. He dodged both Shikamaru's shadows and Asuma's Taijutu effortlessly. Kurenai has a 5 in Genjutsu and got shitted on by a simple 3T mirror genjtsu. Orochimaru has a 5 and Chee is a Jounin elite Kage guard and both were shitted on to the max... One of the many examples.

Can we drop this DB stats logic, please?

 

[Prince Charles]

Why do you people keep posting Databook stats? They're OBSOLETE! I repeat Obsolete. Hidan was slapping Kakashi around when his stats are lower. He dodged both Shikamaru's shadows and Asuma's Taijutu effortlessly. Kurenai has a 5 in Genjutsu and got shitted on by a simple 3T mirror genjtsu. Orochimaru has a 5 and Chee is a Jounin elite Kage guard and both were shitted on to the max... One of the many examples.

Can we drop this DB stats logic, please?

^ Need I say more? Preach.

 

[shelke]

Bro, difference of opinion shouldn't correlate with the person you like or not man.

You guys tend to believe in feats solely. I believe in feats + hype + Character statements. Hence why I don't chose argue about this crap no more with some people.

And eh i have no problem with people believing Guy is better than her in taijutsu... because he has shown flashier stuff. And he is pretty much in his prime age. Tsunade is an old 50 year old woman, her reflexes and etc are obviously gone down.


But eh, I'll drop it since you say so.

I am pretty sure she maintains her youth. Gai is just on another level, man. I would have definitely sided with you if this was only about strength. But as taijustu is about so much else, we cannot ignore all that.

 

[KingHashirama]

Why do you people keep posting Databook stats? They're OBSOLETE! I repeat Obsolete. Hidan was slapping Kakashi around when his stats are lower. He dodged both Shikamaru's shadows and Asuma's Taijutu effortlessly. Kurenai has a 5 in Genjutsu and got shitted on by a simple 3T mirror genjtsu. Orochimaru has a 5 and Chee is a Jounin elite Kage guard and both were shitted on to the max... One of the many examples.

Can we drop this DB stats logic, please?

STats simply shows who is master in what mate.

I am pretty sure she maintains her youth. Gai is just on another level, man. I would have definitely sided with you if this was only about strength. But as taijustu is about so much else, we cannot ignore all that.

How exactly is he on another level? Tsunade would have a 4 if that was the case..

I can easily claim, Minato with his base speed pawns Guy with a kunai. Would that make Minato a better taijutsu user? no man. Feats show us Minato pawns Guy low -diff... (going by PC's logic).

Taijutsu is about experience + reflexes+ speed + Strength .. she was taught by the guy who mastered all forms of taijutsu. On top of that according to Jiraiya she was the better master of combat out of the Sanin, even though she wasn't a front line fighter..

And she her self stated she isn't in her prime anymore.. and her reflexes decreased.

 

[shelke]

^ Still obsolete, man, as I just proved through the examples.

 

[Penguin]

I think Tobirama has better CQC skills than Hashirama, but Hashirama is definitely stronger. Tobirama has striking speed and raw speed as shown when he tagged the near instant Juubito five separate times [one Hiraishin mark, and four paper tags] and when Madara called him the fastest shinobi of his generation [included the 2nd and 3rd Raikage, Mu, 2nd Mizukage, Madara, Hashirama].

 

[Touken]

DB stats aren't exactly reliable due to the fact there seems to be levels within a stat number i.e. shinobi A and shinobi B both have a 5 in ninjutsu, although shinobi A's 5 might be stronger than shinobi B's 5. An example being, Kakashi has a 5 in ninjutsu and Hiruzen has a 5 in ninjutsu too, but I'd say Hiruzen's ninjutsu far outclasses Kakashi's ninjutsu.'

And also the fact they're inaccurate most of the time too.

 

[KingHashirama]

^ Still obsolete, man, as I just proved through the examples.

Orochimaru is a master of genjutsu, in the way that he knows a whole lot of genjutsu. But doesn't mean he can break them.

 

[Touken]

Orochimaru is a master of genjutsu, in the way that he knows a whole lot of genjutsu. But doesn't mean he can break them.

Oro's 5 in genjutsu differs to Itachi's 5 in genjutsu. You yourself have just shown that.

Tsunade's 5 in taijutsu is to do with her exceptional physical strength, while Gai's 5 in taijutsu pretty much covers everything else.

 

[Prince Charles]

Oro's 5 in genjutsu differs to Itachi's 5 in genjutsu. You yourself have just shown that.

Tsunade's 5 in taijutsu is to do with her exceptional physical strength, while Gai's 5 in taijutsu pretty much covers everything else.

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[shelke]

@KingHashirama and @Everyone

I believe most of you interpret the stats wrong. The way some one with lesser stats or prowess overpower the other with higher ones could mean only one thing: The stats are not made for juxtaposition, but the show where an individual lies in regards to his or hers own 'abilities'. Where does his potential lie? Is there any room for improvement in an area, or has it maxed out?

Think about it, as we have seen time and time again that higher stats don't mean much, which means that beyond a single individual, they are obsolete.

 

[Jobrjo]

That's basically the difference of Rock Lee vs Neji. Rock Lee is a foot-speed expert (though also an extraordinary at combat speed, just not as much so) and Neji has crazy CQC skills (dat 64-palms).

 

[Touken]

That's basically the difference of Rock Lee vs Neji. Rock Lee is a foot-speed expert (though also an extraordinary at combat speed, just not as much so) and Neji has crazy CQC skills (dat 64-palms).

Lee's combat speed is exceptional. Neji's combat speed is indeed faster, but he's nowhere near as fast as Lee's Shunshin (even with his weights on). You need fast combat speed and Shunshin to be good at taijutsu, both which Lee has. I'd say he's better than Neji if you factor in Gates.