Difference between Shunshin and combat speed

[AlphaScythian]

Because Neji's reaction time doesn't allow his combat speed to be effective enough against speedsters. Notice how in the OP I stated 'combat speed plays more of a factor in a battle between shinobi with comparable speed/reaction feats.'

Another example:
Deidara was greatly concerned with sasuke's shunshin, yet deidara trolled whole team 10 that came at him with combat speed.
Two users with same speed? Well the one w/o shunshin clearly loses. Is that hard to understand?

 

[KingHashirama]

@Feat fanboys.

You guys can't rely on solely feat, due to the fact people like Hiruzen/Tsunade and etc have never faced someone with raw speed like Ay or Minato... How can they possibly show feats? Unless you guys are expecting them to waste their energy on something they don't need to do..


Basically like putting Bruce Lee and Usain Bolt... who is faster? Bolt... who is the faster in fighting? Lee....

In the scan below notice the following things:

- Orochimaru is staring right at Tsunade
- He even notices her trying to do something
- However, even he with his superior speed couldn't dodge the punch
- Classic example of striking speed vs Raw Speed

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[Touken]

Another example:
Deidara was greatly concerned with sasuke's shunshin, yet deidara trolled whole team 10 that came at him with combat speed.
Two users with same speed? Well the one w/o shunshin clearly loses. Is that hard to understand?

Whole team 10? Care to show me scans? Everyone has Shunshin, that makes no sense.

 

[Prince Charles]

Ah pretty much. There is a reason why Tsunade is hyped by Jiraiya to be the best in combat.. she most likely has more training in taijutsu and plus knows her body more, and can enhance her reflexes.



Lee/Guy/Minato/Ay/Tobirma = Raw Speed

Tsunade/Hashirama/Hiruzen/Jiraiya/and others = Reaction speed or combat speed.


There are reasons why Tobirama despite being faster than Hashirama, was below him in battle.. there is reason why Jiraiya and Orochimaru having higher stats in speed, are below Tsunade in combat (according to jiraiya).

As for the people trying to justify that they are the same.. don't even bother.. go look up real fighting also, they are very very different.

Yet Gai is still better than her in taijutsu?

 

[KingHashirama]

Yet Gai is still better than her in taijutsu?

Is he? Manga doesn't so. Should i take your word ? I'm gonna go with the person who according to one the sanin is superior out of them..just with taijutsu (in combat that is)

You can't expect people to believe you just because you believe fast people = best in taijutsu. When its obviously not the case with Tobirama and Hashirama.

 

[Prince Charles]

Is he? Manga doesn't so. Should i take your word ? I'm gonna go with the person who according to one the sanin is superior out of them..just with taijutsu (in combat that is)

You can't expect people to believe you just because you believe fast people = best in taijutsu. When its obviously not the case with Tobirama and Hashirama.

Manga agrees with me when it comes to feats comparison

databook agrees with me as well.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Whole team 10? Care to show me scans? Everyone has Shunshin, that makes no sense.

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He clearly survived this.

 

[nandachikara]

Body flicker can help a shinobi to cover great distance depending on how good and proficient he is at the jutsu.to me i would say striking and combat speed are most essential for a ninja take lee and gai for example they don't use sushin but combat speed,still i don't think they will lose to any sushin user with their gates active.

 

[KingHashirama]

Manga agrees with me when it comes to feats comparison

databook agrees with me as well.

Databook gives them 5 on taijutsu. So in which does it agree with you?

Feats.. Flashy taijutsu feats against an inferior opponent vs basic but powerful taijutsu feats against an Powerful opponent.

Feats this , feats that. Lets just forget how the characters are in the manga. As I said, why talk about feats, when you are smart enough to know that specific feats can only be shown against specific opponents.

Manga doesn't agree with you at all. Manga simply showed you guy moving around fast... but has he ever faced a taijutsu Master in a 1 vs 1?

Kisame - 4.5 in taijutsu..

Itachi - 4.5 in taijutsu

None are Taijutsu masters.. If you believe Usain Bolt (Guy with raw speed) > Bruce lee (skilled with striking speed) in a fight.. then believe so... I'll go with Bruce lee.

 

[Touken]

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He clearly survived this.

That's not Team 10...

-Gai's team saw he was beat and didn't apply much pressure.
-Kakashi warned them to keep their distance because he specializes in explosives.

 

[shelke]

Body Flicker can definitely help in the initial strike. And love the comments on Deidara having subpar reaction rates in inadvertently to downplay Sasuke's foot speed. LOL @ NB When the best 'alive' body-flicker feat is shitted on by Sasuke.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Manga doesn't agree with you at all. Manga simply showed you guy moving around fast... but has he ever faced a taijutsu Master in a 1 vs 1?

Taijutsu is just fighting skill, useless w/o speed.
Its like 90yo karate master, he has the skill he can teach kids but he cant beat a regular guy that throws 4-5 punches a second.

That's not Team 10...

-Gai's team saw he was beat and didn't apply much pressure.
-Kakashi warned them to keep their distance because he specializes in explosives.

My bad.

Sorry they were literally few meters away from him and clashed in the fight. Then deidara avoided them all and even prepared ninjutsu. Oh and that was merely a clone.

 

[Touken]

Taijutsu is just fighting skill, useless w/o speed.
Its like 90yo karate master, he has the skill he can teach kids but he cant beat a regular guy that throws 4-5 punches a second.

Omylord, that isn't anywhere near comparable to what I'm saying.

 

[KingHashirama]

Is that why Kabuto(admitted to be weak in taijutsu) owned Tsunade in part1?

1. owned tsunade? which tsunade did he own? the skilled one or the rusty one with 20 years of non-fighting?.. But just like Tsunade owned Orochimaru? But now you'll mention "he didn't have arms". -sigh- the excuses of only applying to one side.

2. Kabuto had to enhance his reflexes and strength with soldier pills to even stand a chance... on top of that he would've been done pretty much before Naruto and Jiraiya showed up..

If you believe 3-5 hits = owned, then you obviously need to start watching real life fighting.

Taijutsu is just fighting skill, useless w/o speed.
Its like 90yo karate master, he has the skill he can teach kids but he cant beat a regular guy that throws 4-5 punches a second.

That makes no sense. To be skilled in something you must have the foundation down for it.. which is speed and power. Taijutsu is the strength of their taijutsu , how strong they are in it.. not just their skill..

 

[AlphaScythian]

Omylord, that isn't anywhere near comparable to what I'm saying.

It wasnt aimed at you. geez its whole other topic.

That makes no sense. To be skilled in something you must have the foundation down for it.. which is speed and power. Taijutsu is the strength of their taijutsu , how strong they are in it.. not just their skill..

Taijutsu is just fighting knowledge. Variety of kicks and tricks, stances, proper ways to block and strike. It is then mixed with the speed, but its weak factor by itself.

Example i gave perfectly describes it.

 

[Prince Charles]

Databook gives them 5 on taijutsu. So in which does it agree with you?

Feats.. Flashy taijutsu feats against an inferior opponent vs basic but powerful taijutsu feats against an Powerful opponent.

Feats this , feats that. Lets just forget how the characters are in the manga. As I said, why talk about feats, when you are smart enough to know that specific feats can only be shown against specific opponents.

Manga doesn't agree with you at all. Manga simply showed you guy moving around fast... but has he ever faced a taijutsu Master in a 1 vs 1?

Databook gives them 5 on taijutsu. So in which does it agree with you?

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Lee is already at master status when it comes to taijutsu/cqc, so imagine what Gai is?

Them both having scores of 5 doesnt mean anything, your simply a wanker when it comes to the senju and it's disgraceful and pathetic at times to see you wank imaginary characters it's pitiful. Anyone with a brain knows Gai is better in taijutsu.

From kisame himself

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^ Pretty self explanatory. Kishi and the manga and Db agree with me, it's not my fault you wank her so much you make yourself blind to the obvious which makes you look petty.

Feats.. Flashy taijutsu feats against an inferior opponent vs basic but powerful taijutsu feats against an Powerful opponent.

Lol what? You sound so retarded right now. I might shed a tear for you.

Gai has better taijutsu feats than tsunade? Check.
Does the databook and manga illustrate and show what I am saying? Check.

Stop the wanking.

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Fuk the casket, Fuk the urn,YOUR ASS IS GETTING CREMATED IF YOU REPLY TO ME AGAIN FODDER

 

[KingHashirama]

It wasnt aimed at you. geez its whole other topic.


Taijutsu is just fighting knowledge. Variety of kicks and tricks, stances, proper ways to block and strike. It is then mixed with the speed, but its weak factor by itself.

Example i gave perfectly describes it.

But you aren't listening that to excuete them you have the core foundation. Look at Hiruzen's speed... and then look at the fact he was able to put paper bombs on the Edo Kages... Why? because of taijutsu mastery..

 

[Touken]

No the team did pressure him but they failed

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He even had time to use a clay clone, go underground leaving the clone without them noticing

The only type of pressure they applied was TenTen throwing her shuriken.

You could tell by the

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that they weren't on the offensive/applying much pressure. Plus, he didn't exactly outmaneuver them, he retreated to his Clay Bird.

 

[Prince Charles]

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Ma boi is turnt up

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LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DOG IM TURNT UP TO THE FKEN MAX IM SO TIRED OF HIS BS!!!!! SOMEONE NEEDS TO SHUT THAT CLOWN ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!!!

if only i had izanami i would his ass in a infinite loop until he stops being a dum ass.

 

[AlphaScythian]

But you aren't listening that to excuete them you have the core foundation. Look at Hiruzen's speed... and then look at the fact he was able to put paper bombs on the Edo Kages... Why? because of taijutsu mastery..

They were weak edos.