[Discussion] Did Naruto even learn 1 new in the 3 years he spent with Jiraiya!

[YashMishra]

Naruto's forbidden technique?

I remember Jiraiya warning Naruto, "Don't use that Jutsu." in the beginning of shippuden.

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Apart from learning how to release Genjutsu, becoming slightly smarter, taller and improving all the moves he had already learnt: Did Naruto actually learn any new jutsu at all in those 3 years?

So does Naruto have some even stronger jutsu which he hasn't used yet or has he not really learnt any new jutsu in the 3 years. Please give your views.

p.s- If there is some jutsu radically strong jutsu which he used then please correct me!

 

[Sinister]

Oodama rasengan

 

[YashMishra]

Oodama rasengan

He already knew the rasengan! what do you mean by "oodama" and why would Jiraiya warn him not to use it?

p.s- I mean new jutsu not improvements to the old ones.

 

[Sharpism]

He already knew the rasengan! what do you mean by "oodama" and why would Jiraiya warn him not to use it?

p.s- I mean new jutsu not improvements to the old ones.

Improvements on old jutsu that haven't been done before is creating a new jutsu, thus it's new. o___o

The reason why is because the wind chakra the rasengan that he was molding was destroying cells in his arm/body.

And no, he didn't learn anything new, he learns more in the time after the time skip which doesn't make sense to me because Jiraiya was supposed to be teaching him stuff.. Maybe he taught him about chicks and how to write books. :'D

I do recall Jiraiya screwing around with releasing more of the Kyuubi's chakra also, just to see how much Naruto could handle, but I doubt that would take 3 years. ._____.;

 

[Regulus]

Yea, the only things i can think of are, the oodama rasengan, releas a genjutsu, messing with kyuubi chakra, improving on basic knowledge, and maybe ways to be better prepared against the sharingan.

 

[YashMishra]

The reason why is because the wind chakra the rasengan that he was molding was destroying cells in his arm/body.

I do recall Jiraiya screwing around with releasing more of the Kyuubi's chakra also, just to see how much Naruto could handle, but I doubt that would take 3 years. ._____.;

Firstly, Naruto learned the rasenshuriken (the wind chakra rasengan) with Kakashi not Jiraiya and it was learnt much later.

Secondly, My question focuses on the jutsu jiraiya asked naruto not to use, in the comic:

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[FlashKID124]

hmm... i wonder what he could be talking about.. cuz the oodama rasengan is nothing but a rasengan with a lot more chakra, so there would be no reason for jiraiya to tell him not to use it.. naruto didn't know the rasenshuriken yet.. he didn't even know his elemental affinity.. using kyuubi chakra wouldn't be considered a jutsu.. so i have no idea what this could be.. its got me curious now.. i can't believe i don't evven remember this... i'm gonna do some more digging and let you know what i find..

 

[JohnnyGo]

I believe it could possibly be something that was just wrongly written, and waht jiraiya wanted naruto not to use was the kyuubi release, as it consumes his body and then he looses control. That's why he can't use it, cause it could put in danger everyone in the village.

But that's just what i think, because naruto could maybe have used the jutsu, since he's been in very tight spots already.

 

[YashMishra]

I believe it could possibly be something that was just wrongly written, and waht jiraiya wanted naruto not to use was the kyuubi release, as it consumes his body and then he looses control. That's why he can't use it, cause it could put in danger everyone in the village.

But that's just what i think, because naruto could maybe have used the jutsu, since he's been in very tight spots already.

Naruto realises about the demon fox's cloak only some 40 chapters later when Yamato tells him.

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Moreover it is very unlikely that the translators or Kishimoto make such a drastic mistake because using the kyubi's chakra is in no way a Jutsu.

Lastly it is probably some radically powerful jutsu stronger than the rasenshuriken or the hidden lotus which Lee uses that not only destroys the enemy but has brutal side-effects on the user too.

Perhaps Naruto pulled it off and was nearly dyeing and would have died too unless the kyubi's chakra healed him.

Now that he can use Foxsage mode under control which increases his resistance drastically, He may soon use the jutsu in the next die or die situation.

 

[JohnnyGo]

Naruto realises about the demon fox's cloak only some 40 chapters later when Yamato tells him.

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Moreover it is very unlikely that the translators or Kishimoto make such a drastic mistake because using the kyubi's chakra is in no way a Jutsu.

Lastly it is probably some radically powerful jutsu stronger than the rasenshuriken or the hidden lotus which Lee uses that not only destroys the enemy but has brutal side-effects on the user too.

Perhaps Naruto pulled it off and was nearly dyeing and would have died too unless the kyubi's chakra healed him.

Now that he can use Foxsage mode under control which increases his resistance drastically, He may soon use the jutsu in the next die or die situation.

But then here comes another question: Why didn't jiraiya ask the frogs to teach naruto the sage mode while he was with him? If he had learnt such a terrible jutsu, that he can't use, why doesn't he teach him some technique that would be good to reduce the side-effects?

Maybe there is no way that the side-effects happen, so then naruto is saving it for sasuke, or even madara (jiraiya didn't know about madara yet, but he knew the 4th's assumptions, didn't he?)

 

[twistedlink]

They meant using fox chakra, there was a translation mistake and it all got out of hand and now everyones talking about "that jutsu"

The 4th wanted him to make a Jutsu with the fox, to defeat tobi, but i doubt jiraiya taught him that tech, he'll probably have to learn it on his own.

 

[YashMishra]

They meant using fox chakra, there was a translation mistake and it all got out of hand and now everyones talking about "that jutsu"

The 4th wanted him to make a Jutsu with the fox, to defeat tobi, but i doubt jiraiya taught him that tech, he'll probably have to learn it on his own.

Do you have any source to support your assumption that it was a translation mistake?

Basically you are trying to say that in 3 years Naruto Uzumaki (the no.1 "hyperactive" knuckle headed ninja of the hidden leaf) learnt nothing in 3 years from Jiraiya (the Gallant) except the oodama rasengan, releasing genjutsu and basic improvements/enhance to the attacks Naruto already knew. Whilst Sasuke(driven by revenge and with much less chakra) learnt to summon snakes, do allsorts of snake jutsu, swordfighting, full body raikiri, fireball jutsu in the shape of lions, use genjutsu and to control lightening from nature itself.

Naruto clearly has something up his sleeve. the manga has the theme of bonds and good beats evil. so why will kishi show that Naruto driven by his nindo and bond with sasuke has pathetically learnt nothing from the great teacher jiraiya from the prophecy whilst sasuke driven by hate and revenge learns so much from a scum like Orochimaru and is overpowered.

I repeat : "Naruto realises about the demon fox's cloak only some 40 chapters later when Yamato tells him. Naruto 299 page 09 | One Manga

Moreover it is very unlikely that the translators or Kishimoto make such a drastic mistake because using the kyubi's chakra is in no way a Jutsu."

 

[YashMishra]

But then here comes another question: Why didn't jiraiya ask the frogs to teach naruto the sage mode while he was with him? If he had learnt such a terrible jutsu, that he can't use, why doesn't he teach him some technique that would be good to reduce the side-effects?)

Probably Jiraiya didnt ask "frogs" to teach naruto because he wanted to do it himself as he believed the prophecy that "he" will teach the child who can change the world and not frogs and that it was his destiny and goal of life.

And even if there were not any side effects it might be so powerful that it may kill the people around him like sakura and kakashi. I feel Naruto wanted to use it against pain thats why he asked everyone to stay back, but he didnt use it because he managed to beat pain without it and is saving it for the final battle against either Tobi or sasuke like you said.

 

[twistedlink]

Kishimoto isnt making the translation mistake the translators are.

Ever been to

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Loads of translator mistakes, its easily done.

Kishi has made many manga mistakes.

And yes, Naruto and Jiraiya did pretty much sweet FA in them 3 years, unless you havent noticed Kishi prefers giving techs to Sasuke, not Naruto.

Naruto technically has only learnt 1 jutsu, and that is rasengan, sure he can make it bigger, and sure he can add an element to it, but its still rasengan.

He made FRS and was forbidden to use it, bam, sage mode and he perfects it.

No way has Jiraiya taught him something that dangerous even in sage mode.

Listen to Jiraiya in the anime version, he doesnt even say "jutsu", its a translation mistake.

 

[twistedlink]

Probably Jiraiya didnt ask "frogs" to teach naruto because he wanted to do it himself as he believed the prophecy that "he" will teach the child who can change the world and not frogs and that it was his destiny and goal of life.

And even if there were not any side effects it might be so powerful that it may kill the people around him like sakura and kakashi. I feel Naruto wanted to use it against pain thats why he asked everyone to stay back, but he didnt use it because he managed to beat pain without it and is saving it for the final battle against either Tobi or sasuke like you said.

Actually he told people to get back or theyd just get in the way, which is true (Hinata)

Plus shikamarus dad said the same thing, now Naruto is in sage mode, stay away from him, we'll just get in the way.

The only Jutsu of any suspicion is "that jutsu" which the scroll frog said is dangerous, and that Jiraiya never taught him it, because when they released the seal slightly, it made the 4th tail come out, and so Jiraiya stopped tampering around with the seal.

And "that jutsu" is something to defeat only tobi, which is why Minato sealed the fox inside Naruto in the first place, we know this from the chapters where Minato speaks to Naruto and Naruto asks why the fox was sealed in him, and Minato states a special jutsu must be used to defeat tobi using the fox.

Jiraiya probably tried to teach Naruto this but failed and caused weakening of the seal which Minato did not want, and Naruto has to figure it out himself.

I dont understand why everyone holds Jiraiya in such high regard, he has an imperfected sage mode and is of sannin strength.

He has fought and drawn with Orochimaru many times, and got owned by akatsuki.

Yeah hes a powerful Ninja, but people seriously overestimate him just because he's a popular character, there are loads stronger, smarter, and faster Ninja out there

 

[YashMishra]

Moreover it is very unlikely that the "translators" or Kishimoto make such a drastic mistake because using the kyubi's chakra is in no way a Jutsu."

Also, Please give the exact url!

 

[YashMishra]

Actually he told people to get back or theyd just get in the way, which is true (Hinata)

Plus shikamarus dad said the same thing, now Naruto is in sage mode, stay away from him, we'll just get in the way.

The only Jutsu of any suspicion is "that jutsu" which the scroll frog said is dangerous, and that Jiraiya never taught him it, because when they released the seal slightly, it made the 4th tail come out, and so Jiraiya stopped tampering around with the seal.

And "that jutsu" is something to defeat only tobi, which is why Minato sealed the fox inside Naruto in the first place, we know this from the chapters where Minato speaks to Naruto and Naruto asks why the fox was sealed in him, and Minato states a special jutsu must be used to defeat tobi using the fox.

Jiraiya probably tried to teach Naruto this but failed and caused weakening of the seal which Minato did not want, and Naruto has to figure it out himself.

I dont understand why everyone holds Jiraiya in such high regard, he has an imperfected sage mode and is of sannin strength.

He has fought and drawn with Orochimaru many times, and got owned by akatsuki.

Yeah hes a powerful Ninja, but people seriously overestimate him just because he's a popular character, there are loads stronger, smarter, and faster Ninja out there

Firstly Jiraiya teaches a superpowerful jutsu to Naruto does'nt mean he can do it. Kakashi taught Naruto the wind rasen shuriken but he wasn't powerful enough to do it himself. so people may be able to teach others moves without being able to do it themselves.

Secondly do not insult or underestimate Jiraiya. Though he may not be a great fighter, his destiny (goal in life) according to him and the prophecy was not to be a great fighter but a great mentor. His pupils are some of the strongest fighters in the world and are truly great and each one of them have the ability to change the world like the prophecy stated. Be it Minato Namikaze, the yellow Flash of Konoha (4th hokage) or Nagato aka Pain the legendery rinnegan user (leader of the hiddden rain) or even little Naruto, the 9 tailed beast jinchuriki. All his pupils are great, feared and radically strong. We are not overestimating him as he has done his duties as a mentor. I cannot believe that Jiraiya taught naruto almost nothing in 3 years.

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[YashMishra]

please also note naruto's disappointment when he is told not to use the jutsu which is similiar to his reaction when he is told not to use the rasenshuriken.

p.s- twistedlink's assumption that it was a translation mistake is inaccurate unless, he gives an accurate source.

 

[Universal Enlightenment]

That Jutsu Is The Scroll Minato Left Back For Naruto For The Nine Tail Fox
Jiariya Said It His Self Naruto Someday Is Gonna Have To Complete That Justu I Have To Agree With Twist In The Anime What Your Talking ABout They Translated As "Naruto Dont Use That Power"

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[twistedlink]

Many agree it is a mistranslation, there is no official source stating it is a mistranslation, however there is also no official source to state that Jiraiya taught Naruto a jutsu to destroy the main characters halfway through the series.

However watch the manga yourself, Im not a slave monkey, WATCH it, and hear Jiraiya not utter the word "jutsu". It was mistranslated from "ability".

Naruto knows he goes fox mode 1-3 tails, its 4 tails that he doesnt know what happened and yamato has to tell him, however Naruto does know that the fox can come out, and Jiraiya was simply stating not to get too angry or upset (hence why he gave Kakashi a seal to stop 4tails if it comes out)

It is simply about the 4 tails.

Why Naruto would keep a secret Jutsu that could defeat tobi since he was a pre teen would be completely retarded.

As to Jman teaching him even if he cant do it, lol, wtf? Kakashi didnt teach Naruto FRS, he taught Naruto how to release elemental chakra, Naruto taught himself FRS, and Kakashi stated that quite clearly, that it was now 100% Naruto.

Naruto when with Jiraiya had limited chakra reserves of his own (compared to now) didnt have sage mode, and also couldnt use fox power as much as he can now (hes gradually getting control of more tails)

How Jiraiya could teach him that I have no idea.

We also have the scroll frog stating the jutsu was never completed given the fact that Jiraiya stated the frog has to go to Naruto if he dies in order to learn that Jutsu.

Given that the frog has not gone to Naruto it is quite clear that "that jutsu" will be something for the future that Naruto will learn, not when he was with Jiraiya.