Deidara vs Tobirama

[A v i]

Guys...none of you are reading the conditions. There is no way Tobirama is blitzig from 40 meters away u.u

They weren't talking about shunshin.

 

[Latios]

Tobirama tosses a marked Kunai at him and blitzes with Hiraishin. With no intel and the fact Tobirama has shown to mark his weapons during combat; Deidara making it into the air in this match is nothing but a joke.

And when Tobirama slices Deidara his body turns to clay because Deidara tricked him with a Clay Clone.

 

[KidGamer65]

And when Tobirama slices Deidara his body turns to clay because Deidara tricked him with a Clay Clone.

Cause he's going to use a Clay Clone to feint a Kunai? He has zero intel on him, so he has no reason to begin with any clones. So its either he does it before the Kunai is thrown at him (Not happening) or he does it before Tobirama teleports. (He can't react to Hiraishin nor can he react to Tobirama's attack fast enough to make a clone and get out of the way)

Even then, it doesn't mean he's in the air, it simply means he evaded one strike. Tobirama grabs his Kunai/Sword, rinses and repeats and Deidara dies the second time.

 

[Gold Lightning]

^^^

Since when do we ever see someone make or perform a substitution jutsu?

 

[Beans2]

They weren't talking about shunshin.

I think they were:

Tobirama tosses a marked Kunai at him and blitzes with Hiraishin. With no intel and the fact Tobirama has shown to mark his weapons during combat; Deidara making it into the air in this match is nothing but a joke.

Tobirama wins this

Deidara barely managed to react to hebi sasuke... Tobirama using FTG will outright blitz him.. And since the latter ca mark weapons jus like minato... The chances for deidara getting blitzed and marked are almost certain

If deidara starts off in the air, he stomps tobirama. But unfortunately,Tobirama could easily blitz him right off the bat and win. Really,Hebi sasuke would have blitzed and outmanoeuvred deidara if not for Tobi, so he has no chance reacting to even Tobirama's shunshin, let alone FTG.

 

[Penguin]

Even if Deidara started in the air, Suidanha can cut off the wing of a bird, or Deidara himself from long range.

 

[KidGamer65]

I think they were:

I clearly said Hiraishin. Not Shunshin.

^^^

Since when do we ever see someone make or perform a substitution jutsu?

Your point? It doesn't change the fact that

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to perform it. If you are too slow, you won't be able to replace yourself. Us not seeing them doesn't change that.

Even if Deidara started in the air, Suidanha can cut off the wing of a bird, or Deidara himself from long range.

Suidanha hasn't shown that kind of range.

 

[Beans2]

I clearly said Hiraishin. Not Shunshin.

It doesn't matter which one you're talking about, how does he blitz from 40 meters away? :| Can he even throw a kunai a distance of 40 meters?

 

[Gold Lightning]

I clearly said Hiraishin. Not Shunshin.



Your point? It doesn't change the fact that

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to perform it. If you are too slow, you won't be able to replace yourself. Us not seeing them doesn't change that.



Suidanha hasn't shown that kind of range.

My point is you have no clue whether or not deidara would be fast enough to pull it off. It's an inconsistent jutsu, and by manga standards, isn't something you just see performed. So you saying deidara wouldn't be able to react on time to perform the jutsu is just a baseless assumption.

 

[BlacLord™]

Tobirama ends it before Deidara begins. Some things to keep in mind;

1) Deidara starts 1 vs. 1 battles on the ground.
2) He's arrogant.
3) Tobirama is leagues better than him.
4) Even if Deidara did start flying:

Suidanha the wing or throw a kunai into the air to close the gap and then use Suidanha.

 

[Conspirator.]

The substitution jutsu is the most plot orientated jutsu of all time. I never really understood it-characters use it in some situations to escape, but in other situtaions when they could theoretically use it, they don't.

 

[A v i]

My point is you have no clue whether or not deidara would be fast enough to pull it off. It's an inconsistent jutsu, and by manga standards, isn't something you just see performed. So you saying deidara wouldn't be able to react on time to perform the jutsu is just a baseless assumption.

As you already know in VS section battles, one must make his move after battle gets started and battle starts with both opponents looking at eachother from certain distance so Deidara fooling Tobirama with a substitution while Tobirama is looking at Deidara isn't likely atleast IMO.Not even Tobirama can fool Artist like that.

 

[Narutobirama]

Deidara could barely react to Sasuke when he created team Hebi.

Sasuke then became stronger and he could not follow speed Ay had so he reacted by shielding himself with Amaterasu. Tobirama who is even faster than that will have no trouble defeating Deidara.

Tobirama is slightly slower than Minato. Do you think it would be hard for someone slightly slower than Minato to defeat Deidara?

Tobirama can win this with his speed alone, not to mention his other abilities.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Already established.

A certain someone told me to make this thread so here it is. Enjoy:

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Unbeatable Art; Deidara on the Defensive

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Now before any of you Tobirama fanboys start posting how Tobirama will blitz Deidara, let me say that Tobirama has no FTG marks on the battlefield at the beginning of the battle so this means that he wouldn't be able to blitz Deidara. Not to mention that Deidara is a long ranged fighter so he would keep his distance. [

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] Even if Tobirama does indeed try to blitz Deidara, he can use his C1 Bugs to make Tobirama fall back. [

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] Also, let's not forget that Deidara reacted to Sasuke's speed. [

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Once Deidara gets away from Tobirama, he will undoubtedly create a Clay Bird and fly off. Now do note that it only took a second or a two for Deidara to create his C2 Dragon. [

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This means that Tobirama will be a sitting duck for Deidara's explosives. Tobirama's Explosion Tag Technique won't work since he needs to be an Edo in order for him to use it. [

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Goshun Mawashi no Jutsu requires two S/T users [

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Creating a Master Piece; Deidara on the Offensive

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Now how exactly will Deidara catch Tobirama in his explosions? Tobirama has shown to only place one or two FTG marks on the battlefield so he doesn't just spam them. [

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] If Tobirama places some FTG marks on the battlefield, Deidara can simply destroy them by using his C2 Projectiles. [

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The bigger the C2 projectile is, the bigger the explosion will be. [

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] If Deidara wants to make sure that his explosives will hit Tobirama then he can create a Clay Clone and make it set the Clay Mines [

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Deidara can also trick Tobirama by sending out Clay Clones [

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] If Tobirama gets close to them, Deidara can make one of the Clay Clones eat some Clay and then it would explode. [

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If anything else fails, Tobirama has no counters to the C3 which was able to blow up a whole village. [

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If by some miracle that fails to kill Tobirama, C4 will do the job. You may say that Tobirama can sense the nano bombs, but that doesn't matter as Tobirama needs to breathe due to being a Human. He can't hold his breath forever and we all know what happens once he breathes in the nano bombs. [

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[KidGamer65]

It doesn't matter which one you're talking about, how does he blitz from 40 meters away? :| Can he even throw a kunai a distance of 40 meters?

Underlined is dumb. It does matter since one will work and one won't. As for the rest, Football players toss footballs farther than 40 meters, and you are telling me Tobirama (Far stronger than any ordinary human) can't throw a Kunai 40 meters? Lets be serious here.

My point is you have no clue whether or not deidara would be fast enough to pull it off. It's an inconsistent jutsu, and by manga standards, isn't something you just see performed. So you saying deidara wouldn't be able to react on time to perform the jutsu is just a baseless assumption.

I have no reason to believe he's fast enough to react to a Hiraishin blitz. No reason at all. Not when Sasuke almost blitzed him on foot. You are only wasting your time if you replied to me just to say I don't know whether he can pull it off or not.

Inconsistent? No, its not inconsistent, its never been inconsistent, and us not seeing it doesn't change how it works. Already stated this.

 

[Unorthodox]

Even if Deidara started in the air, Suidanha can cut off the wing of a bird, or Deidara himself from long range.

please that jutsu isnt reaching deidara who was able to dodge gaara in the sand village for quite some time deidara drops c3 gg

I clearly said Hiraishin. Not Shunshin.



Your point? It doesn't change the fact that

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to perform it. If you are too slow, you won't be able to replace yourself. Us not seeing them doesn't change that.
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subs arnt needed deidara isnt a fool a blitz in no shape or form is happening here alive madara who's speed can be compared to sasuke's was able to counter tobirama ftg striking speed from insane close range deidara who dodged sasuke shunshin from about 6 metors isnt getting blitz by tobirama who's foot speed isnt impressive at all deidara takes flight immediately

deidara ends this when he drops his c3 ftg is useless tobirama will have no ftg outside of its range

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[KidGamer65]

subs arnt needed deidara isnt a fool a blitz in no shape or form is happening here alive madara who's speed can be compared to sasuke's was able to counter tobirama ftg striking speed from insane close range deidara who dodged sasuke shunshin from about 6 metors isnt getting blitz by tobirama who's foot speed isnt impressive at all deidara takes flight immediately

deidara ends this when he drops his c3 ftg is useless tobirama will have no ftg outside of its range

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Sasuke has no speed feat that could compare to Madara's none at all. The rest is completely irrelevant as Sasuke is not as fast as Madara.

Alive Madara>Sasuke when it comes to speed and reactions. SM Madara>>Sasuke when it comes to speed and reactions. Using his feat of blocking Tobirama and then transitioning it to Sasuke and Deidara is pure idiocy.

 

[Beans2]

Underlined is dumb. It does matter since one will work and one won't. As for the rest, Football players toss footballs farther than 40 meters, and you are telling me Tobirama (Far stronger than any ordinary human) can't throw a Kunai 40 meters? Lets be serious here.

Oh, okay makes sense. I should have made Deidara start on his bird.

 

[KidGamer65]

Oh, okay makes sense. I should have made Deidara start on his bird.

Yeah, that's the only way he can win.

 

[Unorthodox]

Sasuke has no speed feat that could compare to Madara's none at all. The rest is completely irrelevant as Sasuke is not as fast as Madara.

Alive Madara>Sasuke when it comes to speed and reactions. SM Madara>>Sasuke when it comes to speed and reactions. Using his feat of blocking Tobirama and then transitioning it to Sasuke and Deidara is pure idiocy.

not sure why you belive that when sasuke was able to stab sm madara while tobirama couldnt and i see you take the most irrelevant part out of post to dwell on nothing changes that deidara gets in the air 40m its to much of a distance for a speedblitz ftg or nawt

Yeah, that's the only way he can win.

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