Debunking Naruto and Kurama's relationship

[Conspirator.]

This was a brilliant read. i would rep but I can't at the moment.

 

[To Whatever]

Wow. I just realized I never even said Naruto had complete dominance over Kurama in the OP...

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[Pyro NB]

Wilds I wouldn't let it get to you. Die hard Sasuke fans are going to hate no matter what just like die hard anti Sakura fans are going to bash no matter what. If they want to continue let them continue because just how Naruto use's Kurama chakra Sasuke needed Itachi's eyes. Both needed help from an outside source to unlock their full potential. I mean if you say it for one then you gotta say it for all right?

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

I wouldn't say naruto has to give his body to gain something unless kurama has control over his body now. But since naruto took the credit of war hero, nine tails didn't take over his body nor naruto gave him his body.

As for naruto's body being a house for kurama, there was not a deal that kurama has to give naruto his power in return for letting him stay in hi body. So this is not a legitimate deal

Naruto and Kurama have a strong understanding now that allows them work as one. That still does not change the fact on who supplies Naruto that power. And Kurama did take over Naruto's body during the War arc.

 

[Dantee]

He has complete dominance over Kurama when he isn't in KCM. That should be common sense. I'll edit the OP if it makes you feel better.

Not to mention the moment he feels like he really needs it he can use the tori seal to tear chakra from him. If you noticed the massive Bijuu Dama crumbled because Naruto suppressed it.

That ball of chakra in the scan is the MAX he can tear from a resisting Kurama. Stated by Gyuki.

It's limited. So yes. Complete is too strong of a word when Kurama can technically fight back when he's in KCM. Although it takes time for Kurama to eat up Naruto's reserves.

1. Yeah that sounds better actually. I never thought of KCM of them cooperating in any sort of way just wanted to clear that up.

but that TBB line sounds like complete fanfic no offense.

 

[King of Camelot]

You paid for it to borrow the power. You continue to pay for it to borrow the power. That is still called borrowing power.

Borrow-take and use (something that belongs to someone else) with the intention of returning it.

I'm not taking, I'm buying. I'm not borrowing because that would be me returning it later. I'm buying it with my money for a use that is finite. Ive never heard of borrowing power in my life. Never heard of people returning power they borrowed from a power company..........

 

[To Whatever]

1. Yeah that sounds better actually. I never thought of KCM of them cooperating in any sort of way just wanted to clear that up.

but that TBB line sounds like complete fanfic no offense.

It isn't. That was a fully formed Tailed Beast Bomb which crumbled when he used the torii seal:

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[Joon]

Borrow-take and use (something that belongs to someone else) with the intention of returning it.

I'm not taking, I'm buying. I'm not borrowing because that would be me returning it later. I'm buying it with my money for a use that is finite. Ive never heard of borrowing power in my life. Never heard of people returning power they borrowed from a power company..........

LMAO That got me thinking...

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[Dantee]

It isn't. That was a fully formed Tailed Beast Bomb which crumbled when he used the torii seal:

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Well you know I was mainly responding to what we're talking about in the other thread not the entire thread itself. So don't think I'm hating on this thread or anything lmao...

 

[To Whatever]

Well you know I was mainly responding to what we're talking about in the other thread not the entire thread itself. So don't think I'm hating on this thread or anything lmao...

I don't think you were hating. You made very good points about the Terms in KCM.

I also changed the OP:

People believe Naruto has to ask the Kurama for chakra or that he "borrows" on Kurama's terms.
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This is a technicality. KCM terms is that although he cannot completely keep Naruto from taking chakra from him, he can however limit how much he takes. The minimum seems to be in proportion to Naruto's own reserves

See chapter: 519






1. After winning against Kurama and having a stronger seal. Naruto has more dominance over Kurama than before. He can suppress him at will if need be he can also enter the seal/gates without succumbing to Kurama's influence.

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Only outside of KCM and BM does Naruto (in Base Mode) have complete dominance over Kurama. He can still fight back in KCM. (via chakra limitation and eating Naruto's shelved reserves)

See chapter: 519 ​

That seem fair?

 

[King of Camelot]

LMAO That got me thinking...

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EXACTLY lol

Gosh, sometimes I just get amazed at the things i read.

 

[Dantee]

I don't think you were hating. You made very good points about the Terms in KCM.

I also changed the OP:



That seem fair?

YEah brimming with manga facts now.

 

[SayWhat21]

does it really matter if it's borrowed i don't see it as borrowed since only a few could use that power

 

[The Sach]

There is nothing like 'borrowed power'.
It is just a foolish excuse made by Naruto and Sasuke fanboys who just can't move on and admit that both of them are equal.

 

[To Whatever]

does it really matter if it's borrowed i don't see it as borrowed since only a few could use that power

Some people feel as if Naruto has to either beg or ask for a hand out when Kurama's relationship is a mixture of a bond between freinds, and comrades.

Kurama in BM is technically a summon as he can control his avatar and come out whenever Naruto calls for him.



After he got RSM. I see his modes as this:

KCM: Naruto fighting with Bijuu Chakra but without the bijuu. (Think Naruto vs Toneri)


BM, BSM, and RSM: basically him fighting with bijuu summons that provide chakra and KKG. Kind of like how Katsuyu provides healing. (Think Vote 2 and parts of the War Arc)

 

[Joon]

I don't think you were hating. You made very good points about the Terms in KCM.

I also changed the OP:



That seem fair?

Nope. KCM and anything else regarding Naruto analysis was completely rebuked by Dantaee using that scan which tells you Kurama can suck his chakra to zero. Naruto actions to counter this is written in assumptions or theory.

Also, this rebukes other statements regarding Naruto seal. I just realize Naruto was still a Jinchuuriki:

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[To Whatever]

Nope. KCM analysis was completely rebuked by Dantaee using that scan which tells you Kurama can suck his chakra to zero. Naruto actions to counter this is written in assumptions or theory.

Also, this rebukes other statements regarding Naruto seal. I just realize Naruto was still a Jinchuuriki:

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I said Kurama can fight back and eat his chakra in KCM....

and of course him using the tori seal to restrict Kurama isn't an assumption or theory as he used the torii seal in KCM to suppress Kurama.

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That's KCM above and this is Naruto suppressing Kurama in KCM...

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[Joon]

I said Kurama can fight back and eat his chakra in KCM....

and of course him using the tori seal to restrict Kurama isn't an assumption or theory as he used the torii seal in KCM torii supress Kurama.

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That's KCM above and this is Naruto suppressing Kurama in KCM...

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I understand the partnership, but in the end, Naruto is still an Jinchuuriki, thus, he has to work with Kurama, sometimes on his terms or not.

 

[To Whatever]

I understand the partnership, but in the end, Naruto is still an Jinchuuriki, thus, he has to work with Kurama, sometimes on his terms or not.

Once again.

Before, yes he had to ask or plea with Kurama to use his chakra (which came with a dangerous price)

After the new seal. if he wants Kurama's chakra to enter KCM. He doesn't need to ask nor require Kurama's cooperation (although this means he's forcing it and his reserves of Kurama's chakra is limited while his full reserves are being eaten by Kurama)

If he wants to enter BM or higher this requires Kurama's full cooperation. Otherwise, Naruto basically opened the seal and Kurama gets a chance to play "Tug-of-War" with Naruto.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Kcm - Naruto shelves his chakra, just uses kyuubis
BM - Links with Kurama, merges chakras, can manifest Kurama as an avatar