Debunking Naruto and Kurama's relationship

[Dantee]

Did you not just read what Gyuki said?

"But the Nine-tails isn't the type to sit down and talk things out"

You do know what he's implying, correct?

Obviously. I get the fact Kurama starts to respect Naruto and that's why he gives him chakra but that doesn't change facts. Facts are Kurama supplies him the power willingly...

 

[King of Camelot]

What you have is still borrowed power.

But i'm paying for it not borrowing it. Once i have used it, its depleted and has to be supplied again..........

 

[To Whatever]

Obviously. I get the fact Kurama starts to respect Naruto and that's why he gives him chakra but that doesn't change facts. Facts are Kurama supplies him the power willingly...

He wasn't supplying him with chakra willingly until Madara showed up and he saw Naruto giving it his all.

Re-read the scan you posted. Kurama wasn't trying to haggle, broker a deal or bargin with Naruto.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

But i'm paying for it not borrowing it. Once i have used it, its depleted and has to be supplied again..........

You paid for it to borrow the power. You continue to pay for it to borrow the power. That is still called borrowing power.

 

[Dragon Master]

Nice thread. 5/5

 

[Dantee]

He wasn't supplying him with chakra willingly until Madara showed up and he saw Naruto giving it his all.

Re-read the scan you posted. Kurama wasn't trying to haggle, broker a deal or bargin with Naruto.

I was referring to BM mode.m The scan is about Naruto only had KCM which was limited like Bee said and Kurama could have chose to take over Naruto much sooner in the war arc but he didn't...

 

[Narutrol]

You paid for it to borrow the power. You continue to pay for it to borrow the power. That is still called borrowing power.

Electricity is for sales, not for rent

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Electricity is for sales, not for rent

If you don't pay your bills don't you lose it?

 

[To Whatever]

I was referring to BM mode.m The scan is about Naruto only had KCM which was limited like Bee said and Kurama could have chose to take over Naruto much sooner in the war arc but he didn't...

BM Mode is when the two are cooperating. Yes, Kurama can try to challenge Naruto again when the seal is released.

But i'm not sure what point you're trying to make, that's like saying, "Rinnehawk can try to peck Sasuke to death the moment he's summoned" I mean, of course but we really know that won't happen.

If you're trying to downplay the fact that Naruto won Kurama over with his struggles, beliefs, and overall growth.

Then i'm at a loss of words. That's literally the prophecy...

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BM=100% of the reserves depending on how strong the bond is (1st time bond had the limit of 5 minutes)

 

[Joon]

Wrong. Read chapter 570 "Kurama". Chapter 569 "A Proof of good will" and Chapter 539 "Bloody Night"

They became close the moment he told him he was going to do something about his anger.

And Kurama looking over Naruto's past actions.

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I was reading out of context then and I was under a different impression.

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[To Whatever]

I was reading out of context then and I was under a different impression.

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Are you trying to say Kurama was being Tsundere and didn't want to see Naruto lose?

Because he kind of said that...

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[Narutrol]

If you don't pay your bills don't you lose it?

Yes I do lose it. However, we do not return the electricity, we simply used it and need more next month

Naruto's case is similar, but he doesn't buy it nor rent it

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Yes I do lose it. However, we do not return the electricity, we simply used it and need more next month

Naruto's case is similar, but he doesn't buy it nor rent it

You are still exchanging something for earning something. Naruto gives his body in order to earn more power.

 

[V h o]

*chapter 597 lel

Nice job kenz :bouncy:

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

There is no need for all this.

Naruto has put more effort and earned his abilities as a ninja throughout the series, He takes help from a lot of people but it does nothing to undermine what he has done.

As such he has more of my respect than someone who sits on his ass and cries and gets preprogrammed magic eye powers.

People will always try to undermine those characters who do it better than their precious uchihas.

 

[Dantee]

People believe Naruto has to ask the Kurama for chakra or that he "borrows" on Kurama's terms.




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BM Mode is when the two are cooperating. Yes, Kurama can try to challenge Naruto again when the seal is released.

But i'm not sure what point you're trying to make, that's like saying, "Rinnehawk can try to peck Sasuke to death the moment he's summoned" I mean, of course but we really know that won't happen.

If you're trying to downplay the fact that Naruto won Kurama over with his struggles, beliefs, and overall growth.

Then i'm at a loss of words. That's literally the prophecy...

BM=100% of the reserves depending on how strong the bond is (1st time bond had the limit of 5 minutes)

No I'm just debunking some of your claims that KCM Naruto had complete dominance over Kurama. Which was false. He only managed to pull some of his chakra and using that power had risks because Kurama would take him over.

2ndly Kurama really started helping him for real when he was trying to help the Bijuus....

3rdly There chakra is still linked so yes Naruto does need Kurama so he can borrow his chakra in perfect jin form. Bee explained it best

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While he's in​

 

[Joon]

Are you trying to say Kurama was being Tsundere and didn't want to see Naruto lose?

Because he kind of said that...

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Just forget about it, their relationship is complicated.

 

[To Whatever]

No I'm just debunking some of your claims that KCM Naruto had complete dominance over Kurama. Which was false. He only managed to pull some of his chakra and using that power had risks because Kurama would take him over.

2ndly Kurama really started helping him for real when he was trying to help the Bijuus....

3rdly There chakra is still linked so yes Naruto does need Kurama so he can borrow his chakra in perfect jin form. Bee explained it best

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While he's in

He has complete dominance over Kurama when he isn't in KCM. That should be common sense. I'll edit the OP if it makes you feel better.

Not to mention the moment he feels like he really needs it he can use the tori seal to tear chakra from him. If you noticed the massive Bijuu Dama crumbled because Naruto suppressed it.

That ball of chakra in the scan is the MAX he can tear from a resisting Kurama. Stated by Gyuki.

It's limited. So yes. "Complete" is too strong of a word when Kurama can technically "fight back" when he's in KCM. Although it takes time for Kurama to eat up Naruto's reserves.

 

[Narutrol]

You are still exchanging something for earning something. Naruto gives his body in order to earn more power.

I wouldn't say naruto has to give his body to gain something unless kurama has control over his body now. But since naruto took the credit of war hero, nine tails didn't take over his body nor naruto gave him his body.

As for naruto's body being a house for kurama, there was not a deal that kurama has to give naruto his power in return for letting him stay in his body. So this is not a legitimate deal

 

[LeSauce]

He has complete dominance over Kurama when he isn't in KCM. That should be common sense. I'll edit the OP if it makes you feel better.

Not to mention the moment he feels like he really needs it he can use the tori seal to tear chakra from him. If you noticed the massive Bijuu Dama crumbled because Naruto suppressed it.

That ball of chakra in the scan is the MAX he can tear from a resisting Kurama. Stated by Gyuki.

It's limited. So yes. Complete is too strong of a word when Kurama can technically fight back when he's in KCM. Although it takes time for Kurama to eat up Naruto's reserves.

He has no dominance whatsoever. If Kurama decides that he doesn't want to give Naruto anymore chakra, the best Naruto can do is KCM.