Debunking Naruto and Kurama's relationship

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People believe Naruto has to ask the Kurama for chakra or that he "borrows" on Kurama's terms.


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This is a technicality. KCM terms is that although he cannot completely keep Naruto from taking chakra from him, he can however limit how much he takes. The minimum seems to be in proportion to Naruto's own reserves

See chapter: 519






1. After winning against Kurama and having a stronger seal. Naruto has more dominance over Kurama than before. He can suppress him at will if need be he can also enter the seal/gates without succumbing to Kurama's influence.

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Only outside of KCM and BM does Naruto (in base mode) have complete dominance over Kurama. He can still fight back in KCM. (via chakra limitation and eating Naruto's shelved reserves)


See chapter: 519

Exhibit A: Chapter: 499 "A New Seal"

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Exhibit B: Chapter 538 "Cross-Examination"

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Note Kurama's own words on the situation: Chapter: 539 "A Bloody Night"

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Note Kurama's reaction to Naruto: Chapter 538: "Cross-Examination"

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2. Their chakra is no longer linked which is good since his old seal's setup was unstable and dangerous

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I love you Kenzi (ignore this)

Chapter: 499 "A New Seal"

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3. Naruto's a nice guy. He won't force Kurama via tori seals or bleed him dry of chakra even though he can. although he admittedly did very early on when he received KCM.















4. Because of #3 rather than tearing chakra from someone he gained an incredibly strong partner. One that respects his own power and his resolve. One that'll answer his call and find along side him.

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Keep in mind that Kurama is basically his summon as well as his life-long partner.

Kurama can take control of the Avatar or Naruto himself: Chapter 697 "The secret of space-time ninjutsu"​

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Disclaimer, I posted this already in this thread but decided to make my own:

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[JustSomeRandomNinja]

Great read

 

[Chibiusa]

Great read

+rep for reading in less than a minute

 

[Madara the Solo King]

Naruto and Kurama have a strong bond so Kurama's chakra just flows through him naturally. Undebatable

 

[lndra]

Even though Kurama supplies the chakra, Naruto still has to knead it. People complain a lot but it is Ashura's way to work through cooperation, which has always been a signature of Naruto (Ex - Clones). I don't get the problem of him having Kurama at all, it is not like they are both fighting with the same powers they were born with, you aren't born with the Sharingan, but Naruto was not born with the Kyuubi either.

Fun Fact: He was born with the abilities of being able to hold it in his body.

 

[~Ethereal~]

Will read later.

 

[Xlad]

Great read

You too? Mah nig.

 

[Nagi]

Chapter: 499 "A New Seal" = 1 chapter
Chapter 538: "Cross-Examination" = 1 chapter

total= 2/700 chapters of Naruto supposedly put his pet on a leash.

 

[The Necromancer]

Dude... nobody is saying Naruto begs for chakra past chapter 500... :|

Just the 500 chapters prior.

 

[Narutrol]

That's the seal of kcm. Naruto broke that to go bm all out

 

[King of Camelot]

I agree, simple yet effective analysis. Critical thinking is key.

 

[Michael]

Even though Kurama supplies the chakra, Naruto still has to knead it. People complain a lot but it is Ashura's way to work through cooperation, which has always been a signature of Naruto (Ex - Clones). I don't get the problem of him having Kurama at all, it is not like they are both fighting with the same powers they were born with, you aren't born with the Sharingan, but Naruto was not born with the Kyuubi either.

Fun Fact: He was born with the abilities of being able to hold it in his body.

People also forget Naruto is the only one 100% compatible with Kurama's chakra, He achieved perfect synch. Almost as if they were made for each other.

 

[King of Camelot]

Dude... nobody is saying Naruto begs for chakra past chapter 500... :|

Just the 500 chapters prior.

Never seen a person say "Naruto has borrowed powers lel, but that was before ch 500 though lel"

They never mention that. Its always a general and biased deduction of his powers being borrowed.

 

[The Necromancer]

Never seen a person say "Naruto has borrowed powers lel, but that was before ch 500 though lel"

They never mention that. Its always a general and biased deduction of his powers being borrowed.

They're borrowed regardless of Kurama's will.

However, he stopped begging for it at chapter 499.

 

[Michael]

Nice Thread, 5/5 stars. I subscribed and will use this thread to silence all future haters upon the topic.

 

[Joon]

What? Naruto had to work with Kyuubi or form a bond, otherwise Kyuubi was going to steal his chakra. It wasn't until Madara become a factor that Kyuubi helped him and they became close.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

I don't understand why people have a problem with Naruto burrowing power? I mean don't all of you borrow electricity from the government?

 

[JustSomeRandomNinja]

Closest thing to begging Naruto ever did was:

"Hey. Give me your power, stupid fox"

I forget what chapter exactly. But it was during the first time he met J-man I believe

 

[The Necromancer]

I don't understand why people have a problem with Naruto burrowing power? I mean don't all of you borrow electricity from the government?

Yes... but i'm not trying to prove that i'm the best at it.

 

[King of Camelot]

They're borrowed regardless of Kurama's will.

However, he stopped begging for it at chapter 499.

Begging on some occasions, other times its Kurama feeding him power to take control over him.
Its more like a communion of powers rather than borrowing.