Debate: Who’s the most ruthless Naruto character to date

[salamander uchiha]

Im not going to argue for the sake of arguing so i will ask you this.

What was Danzo's mindset in relation to Kabuto and his mother?
Sai and his Brother?

His midset in regards to Kabuto and his mother was to eliminate possible liabilities. You see in black ops you can't measure loyalty so in uncertainty you remove them.

As for Sai and his brother it was to remove attachment to individuals. A soldier without bonds can never enter a conflciting situation and compromise his mission. Let's say a mission involved assassinating two brothers who reminded Sai of such bonds he may falter.

Ninja aren't some noble creatures, they kill, assassinate, torture, take missions of all kinds. The black ops are meant to be the worst of the worst in that respect and root is their pinacle.

Edit: off topic but that's why Naruto being a ninja/Hokage makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Mellanoma]

There are many ruthless characters with varying reasons and motives some we sympathise with others we don't. It's all down to personal preference and how we look at each characters actions in relarion to our values.

Danzo is considered ruthless but he behaved like any black ops commander, doing whatever is necessary to ensure the supremacy of Konoha over it's enemies. Hiruzen is in the same camp as Danzo for he knew and allowed the actions.

Tobirama has nazi tendencies and insecurities but he did whatever he had to to ensure his will is passed on. He is the forerunner of both Orochimaru and Danzo who manifested aspects of him.

Nagato did whatever he had to seeing endless war, suffering, betrayal of rhose who wanted to bring peace. He became judge, jury and executioner completely annihilating anybody who tried to oppose him and his view.

Orochimaru had goals of wanting to understand everything and kidnapped and experimented on all sorts of people to achieve his ends.

Obito lost one who he wanted to give a good dicking to and became ruthless, cold and uncaring. He massacred a group of people and instituted the bloody mist era. He wiped out his own clan and people over a girl.

Madara Sama saw endless war, corruption and wanted to bring an end to war and liberate the world.

From amongst them Tobirama, Orochimaru stand out followed by Obito.

Danzo would disagree with you. If the timeline is correct then Danzo helping Orochimaru was prior to Hiruzen's death. Anyway in his eyes Konoha gaining Mokuton would be more beneficial to Konoha so he'd be doing the right thing.

Danzo's killing of the frog was to ensure the 9 tails wouldn't be anywhere near konoha so it would be out of Pain's reach. He doesn't have k oweldge of the unseen and was taking the necessary precautions.

Danzo wanting to become Hokage was because he believed that under the rule of the 3rd and Tsunade konoha had weakened. He intended to lead it into a golden age and would do whatever was necessary to ensure that.

Danzo's actions are unethical there's no doubt however they're understandable if his character and purpose are looked at.

His midset in regards to Kabuto and his mother was to eliminate possible liabilities. You see in black ops you can't measure loyalty so in uncertainty you remove them.

As for Sai and his brother it was to remove attachment to individuals. A soldier without bonds can never enter a conflciting situation and compromise his mission. Let's say a mission involved assassinating two brothers who reminded Sai of such bonds he may falter.

Ninja aren't some noble creatures, they kill, assassinate, torture, take missions of all kinds. The black ops are meant to be the worst of the worst in that respect and root is their pinacle.

Edit: off topic but that's why Naruto being a ninja/Hokage makes no sense whatsoever.

Excellent responses and this further proves my point about him being the most Ruthless.

Canonically (and based on your responses) he is indeed the most ruthless in the series. Infact, he is the only character in the show (Bar Black Zetsu) to show 0 compassion for any one other than himself.

Ruthless by definition means you have no pity or compassion for others which Danzo was the epitome of.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Excellent responses and this further proves my point about him being the most Ruthless.

Canonically (and based on your responses) he is indeed the most ruthless in the series. Infact, he is the only character in the show (Bar Black Zetsu) to show 0 compassion for any one other than himself.

Ruthless by definition means you have no pity or compassion for others which Danzo was the epitome of.

I think you missed the point I was making Danzo was ruthless within his remit/responsibility as leader of the Root. However Orochimaru, Tobirama and Obito were ruthless for the heck of it. They had 0 responsibility or reason past personal ambition to do what they did. That to me is more ruthless than somebody doing it out of duty whether the actions are more brutal or not.

I do see where you're coming from though.

 

[Mellanoma]

Ruthless - having or showing no pity or compassion for others.

I think you missed the point I was making Danzo was ruthless within his remit/responsibility as leader of the Root. However Orochimaru, Tobirama and Obito were ruthless for the heck of it.

This is not true:
Orochimaru - Orphaned child who became a Scientist(Like his role model Hiruzen) but his ambitions lead him down a road of ruthlessness however he redeemed himself.

Tobirama - generations of combat lead him to hate the Uchiha and show no compassion. However he allowed them to live among the village under his brother's rule. He could have easily done with Danzo did but choose to show compassion because of his brother.

Obito - Was a nice wholesome young man which war and brainwashing (Madara/Blackzetsu) turned him into a ruthless person but in the end he found compassion and redemption.

The simple fact that each of those characters showed some form of redemption which lead to compassion removes them from the title of MOST RUTHLESS.

Danzo never showed such compassion. EVEN if its for his responsibilities it still does not change the fact that he was the most ruthless. Ruthless by duty still makes you ruthless.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Forget about Orochimaru/ Danzo/ Madara, the only answer is Itachi. Though he's probably not even ruthless just mentally ill or misguided.

 

[MomoSaka]

Forget about Orochimaru/ Danzo/ Madara, the only answer is Itachi. Though he's probably not even ruthless just mentally ill or misguided.

How come it's Itachi, when you just said that he's "mentally ill" or "misguided"?:|

Also, everything "bad" or "ruthless" Itachi had done in the series is literally nothing compared to what Oro, Danzo, and Madara did.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Ruthless - having or showing no pity or compassion for others.




This is not true:
Orochimaru - Orphaned child who became a Scientist(Like his role model Hiruzen) but his ambitions lead him down a road of ruthlessness however he redeemed himself.

Not the case Orochimaru became a scientist like Tobirama his favourite Kage. He experienced loss and instead of appreciate life or have consideration for others lives he chose to use them to seve his own ends. He kidnapped, men, women, childrenand all sorts with families or without all so he could develop his immorality jutsu. The only redemption he could have is he stopped living of the fruits of his research yet he still body hops. He has never once shown an ounce of remorse in that respect and continues his research via cloning. According to Sasuke shinden the only readon he's kept around alongside Kabuto is because the world may need their kind once again.

Tobirama - generations of combat lead him to hate the Uchiha and show no compassion. However he allowed them to live among the village under his brother's rule. He could have easily done with Danzo did but choose to show compassion because of his brother.

If you believe that then you need help. He undermined the Uchiha because he didn't want Madara to come to power. He went as far as manipulating Hashirama who could've easily made Madara the Hokage by refusing the position. It went further he spread malicious rumours about the Uchiha to ferment hatred and distrust for them. If that wasn't enough he further isolated them from the power and village by making them the police force. He even admits he did it incase somebody else like Madara showed up he could deal with him/them. The Uchiha saw this and started to turn against the village. Tobirama did this to weaken the Uchiha if he had the power and they were plotting he would've tried to do the same as Danzo. By restricting the uchiha he limited their exposure to combat and jutsu limiting the infinite potential they had. When the time was right they were taken out. Danzo inherited that part of the teaching of Nazirama. The only reason Tobirama didn't do it in his time was because those Uchiha were still battle hardened warriors it would've destroyed the leaf. Also he went onto develop the Edo Tensei so we know where Orochimaru took his inspiration for experimentation from. Tobirama never found redemption for his actions and he not once showed remorse.

Obito - Was a nice wholesome young man which war and brainwashing (Madara/Blackzetsu) turned him into a ruthless person but in the end he found compassion and redemption.

A sweet boy wasn't brainwashed he knew full well what he was doing. He was so ruthless he went onto massacre kids via the bloody mist era. Making kids kill their entire class when he should've known what loss was. He went as far as helping exterminate his own clan(elderly, women, children)he never once showed remorse for these actions. In the end he wanted to suck on Naruto's nuggets because he reminded him of his former self.

The simple fact that each of those characters showed some form of redemption which lead to compassion removes them from the title of MOST RUTHLESS.

None of them found real redemption and none of them showed remorse for their ruthless actions. They're worse because they didn't have to do what they did and weren't duty bound to do so.

Danzo never showed such compassion. EVEN if its for his responsibilities it still does not change the fact that he was the most ruthless. Ruthless by duty still makes you ruthless.

That's how you view it and you're entitled to your opinion. I view things a little differently doing something when there's no need for it trumps doing something out of duty or necessity.

I think I'm done, for you Danzo is the most ruthless for me these 3 are.

 

[Edogawa]

There is no measurement in ruthless actions philosophically speaking, but the result may produce good/bad. Simply put it, you may think the Uchiha Massacre is bad because of your emotions, but in reality it was good act because it prevented the catastrophes that could have followed, if the Uchiha Clan committed a Coup d'état. The Uchiha Massacre did produce good results, but that doesn't justify the killing of civilians, meaning Itachi is as bad as Danzo.

Regardless of how the story portrays Itachi, Obito, Orochimaru as fallen heros or people who redeemed themselves, they are all ruthless and evil in philosophy logic. That would also include Hiruzen.

Black Zetsu isn't a character or villain, thus would not count in this thread. Black Zetsu is simply a Jutsu.